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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #805 on: February 06, 2017, 01:24:09 PM »
Personally, I thought Ozzy sounded very good (not GREAT, but very good) and to see the legends - tony and geezer - doing that intro to War Pigs, the way it's supposed to be, and that intro to After Forever... well, it's maybe more an intangible than simply "they're at the top of their game!".

Yea, I thought they sounded overall pretty good. Maybe at the end of the tour they are pretty tired, but over the summer I thought they were way better than when I saw them in 2005.

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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #806 on: February 06, 2017, 02:00:34 PM »
It's officially over now, they did their very last show together last night in Birmingham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIlPLCc0WnA

Maybe I'm being a grumpy old bugger, but as far I'm concerned the so-called reunion was no such thing without Bill. To quote Ozzy on the Last Supper DVD. "Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osborne". Bill Ward's treatment was nothing short of disgraceful.

Except that Bill is his own worst enemy.  It's not the "treatment of Bill" that's so bad.  It's BILL that's so bad.  There is literally no such thing as "an unsignable contract".   If he wanted to do it, he could have; he was holding out for things that he had never received at any point in his time in the band, and yet now, he wants to play hardball?  AND make it public?  The funny thing is, everyone jumped to conclusions and blamed "Sharon", but IOMMI was the guy that was most vocal in "this is ridiculous".

I saw "The End" show in Mansfield, MA in August, and Bill could not have drummed that show.  He just couldn't have done it.
I thought Fake Bill Ward did a great job, but it wasn't the same at all. And I'm not sure if Bill would have been able to do the tour or not, but it seems they could have looked into that before assuming he couldn't. He says he could have, and he's on youtube playing drums last year looking just fine.
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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #807 on: February 06, 2017, 02:11:42 PM »
I was lucky enough to see them on the 13 and The End tour. While I liked the set they did for the 13 tour more, their performance when I saw them on The End tour was much better. The band sounded great and Ozzy only missed one note that was really noticeable. Also it will forever be sentimental for me as it was the last show I was able to attend with my dad.

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« Reply #808 on: February 07, 2017, 01:43:15 AM »
Just saw a snippet on news quoting Tony Iommi about how he / they are not ruling out anything, that he's just sick of touring and does not want to do anymore long tours but they're all open to something.

So, once again, confirmation that you should never ever believe a rock band when they have a "final" gig  :D
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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #809 on: February 07, 2017, 07:02:15 AM »
It's officially over now, they did their very last show together last night in Birmingham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIlPLCc0WnA

Maybe I'm being a grumpy old bugger, but as far I'm concerned the so-called reunion was no such thing without Bill. To quote Ozzy on the Last Supper DVD. "Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osborne". Bill Ward's treatment was nothing short of disgraceful.

Except that Bill is his own worst enemy.  It's not the "treatment of Bill" that's so bad.  It's BILL that's so bad.  There is literally no such thing as "an unsignable contract".   If he wanted to do it, he could have; he was holding out for things that he had never received at any point in his time in the band, and yet now, he wants to play hardball?  AND make it public?  The funny thing is, everyone jumped to conclusions and blamed "Sharon", but IOMMI was the guy that was most vocal in "this is ridiculous".

I saw "The End" show in Mansfield, MA in August, and Bill could not have drummed that show.  He just couldn't have done it.
I thought Fake Bill Ward did a great job, but it wasn't the same at all. And I'm not sure if Bill would have been able to do the tour or not, but it seems they could have looked into that before assuming he couldn't. He says he could have, and he's on youtube playing drums last year looking just fine.

Remember too that if I'm not mistaken, they've had tours booked with him TWICE now (I know at least once) that had to be scuttled because he COULDN'T do it.   Look, I love Bill.  Anyone who's seen the video of them back in "Paris" (It's called "Live In Paris", but I think it was recorded in Brussels) knows he's a monster when he's on. He was every bit a part of the Sabbath sound as anyone else (and in my opinion, no one has captured that sound 100% since) but I was okay watching what I saw last August.   To me, seeing Geezer and Tony together is like 80% of it.   

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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #810 on: February 08, 2017, 01:12:37 AM »
Think I read something a while ago that Iomi said he'd wished they could have been nicer to Bill, 'but I don't know what the fuck happened'. Yeah, maybe some day....
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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #811 on: February 08, 2017, 01:40:17 AM »
To me, seeing Geezer and Tony together is like 80% of it.

That's pretty much how I feel. Having seen Heaven and Hell  :metal back when they toured Australia in 2007, I'll die happy. The fact that I'll never get to see the original Black Sabbath disappoints me, but I was never going to shell out my hard earned cash to see Ozzy, Tony, Geezer and some other bloke.

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« Reply #812 on: February 08, 2017, 06:32:12 AM »
To me, seeing Geezer and Tony together is like 80% of it.

That's pretty much how I feel. Having seen Heaven and Hell  :metal back when they toured Australia in 2007, I'll die happy. The fact that I'll never get to see the original Black Sabbath disappoints me, but I was never going to shell out my hard earned cash to see Ozzy, Tony, Geezer and some other bloke.

I respectfully say, "your loss".   Watching the three of them having fun and playing classics (if you're a Dead fan, you can certainly criticize the setlist, but for what it was, it was SOLID) was a really entertaining moment.  I've seen Ozzy solo (once) and Sabbath with Tony twice, and having seen the show this past August, I feel like I can rest easy knowing I've "seen Sabbath the way it's supposed to be". 

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« Reply #813 on: February 28, 2017, 01:43:14 PM »
Band's Twitter said the final copies of The End EP that was sold at show's are being sold through eBay now. I picked up a copy, but fuck, was that expensive (over $30). Part of it goes to St. Jude's for charity, though.

Just a heads up, if anyone wanted a copy before it disappears forever.

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« Reply #814 on: February 28, 2017, 03:43:21 PM »
It's officially over now, they did their very last show together last night in Birmingham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIlPLCc0WnA

Maybe I'm being a grumpy old bugger, but as far I'm concerned the so-called reunion was no such thing without Bill. To quote Ozzy on the Last Supper DVD. "Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osborne". Bill Ward's treatment was nothing short of disgraceful.

Except that Bill is his own worst enemy.  It's not the "treatment of Bill" that's so bad.  It's BILL that's so bad.  There is literally no such thing as "an unsignable contract".   If he wanted to do it, he could have; he was holding out for things that he had never received at any point in his time in the band, and yet now, he wants to play hardball?  AND make it public?  The funny thing is, everyone jumped to conclusions and blamed "Sharon", but IOMMI was the guy that was most vocal in "this is ridiculous".

I saw "The End" show in Mansfield, MA in August, and Bill could not have drummed that show.  He just couldn't have done it.
I thought Fake Bill Ward did a great job, but it wasn't the same at all. And I'm not sure if Bill would have been able to do the tour or not, but it seems they could have looked into that before assuming he couldn't. He says he could have, and he's on youtube playing drums last year looking just fine.

Remember too that if I'm not mistaken, they've had tours booked with him TWICE now (I know at least once) that had to be scuttled because he COULDN'T do it.   Look, I love Bill.  Anyone who's seen the video of them back in "Paris" (It's called "Live In Paris", but I think it was recorded in Brussels) knows he's a monster when he's on. He was every bit a part of the Sabbath sound as anyone else (and in my opinion, no one has captured that sound 100% since) but I was okay watching what I saw last August.   To me, seeing Geezer and Tony together is like 80% of it.
There's a DVD from the Never Say Die tour where Ward steels the show. Totally fucked up, big giant caveman beard, monster drum kit, everything you want to see. You should check it out.

Like I said, I was alright with Fake Bill Ward. I thought he did a great job. It's just that I saw the real deal way back when and recall him really kicking my ass. I never saw the fake one make me think "holy shit, check that dude out!" It's like Pino Paladino vs The Ox, or Trujillo vs Newstead. The originals brought something else to the table besides what they played.
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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #815 on: March 01, 2017, 07:07:53 AM »
It's officially over now, they did their very last show together last night in Birmingham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIlPLCc0WnA

Maybe I'm being a grumpy old bugger, but as far I'm concerned the so-called reunion was no such thing without Bill. To quote Ozzy on the Last Supper DVD. "Black Sabbath is Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osborne". Bill Ward's treatment was nothing short of disgraceful.

Except that Bill is his own worst enemy.  It's not the "treatment of Bill" that's so bad.  It's BILL that's so bad.  There is literally no such thing as "an unsignable contract".   If he wanted to do it, he could have; he was holding out for things that he had never received at any point in his time in the band, and yet now, he wants to play hardball?  AND make it public?  The funny thing is, everyone jumped to conclusions and blamed "Sharon", but IOMMI was the guy that was most vocal in "this is ridiculous".

I saw "The End" show in Mansfield, MA in August, and Bill could not have drummed that show.  He just couldn't have done it.
I thought Fake Bill Ward did a great job, but it wasn't the same at all. And I'm not sure if Bill would have been able to do the tour or not, but it seems they could have looked into that before assuming he couldn't. He says he could have, and he's on youtube playing drums last year looking just fine.

Remember too that if I'm not mistaken, they've had tours booked with him TWICE now (I know at least once) that had to be scuttled because he COULDN'T do it.   Look, I love Bill.  Anyone who's seen the video of them back in "Paris" (It's called "Live In Paris", but I think it was recorded in Brussels) knows he's a monster when he's on. He was every bit a part of the Sabbath sound as anyone else (and in my opinion, no one has captured that sound 100% since) but I was okay watching what I saw last August.   To me, seeing Geezer and Tony together is like 80% of it.
There's a DVD from the Never Say Die tour where Ward steels the show. Totally fucked up, big giant caveman beard, monster drum kit, everything you want to see. You should check it out.

Like I said, I was alright with Fake Bill Ward. I thought he did a great job. It's just that I saw the real deal way back when and recall him really kicking my ass. I never saw the fake one make me think "holy shit, check that dude out!" It's like Pino Paladino vs The Ox, or Trujillo vs Newstead. The originals brought something else to the table besides what they played.

I don't disagree with any of that, I just don't think NOT having the original drops it down to "no go".  I saw the Quadrophenia tour back in the late '90's, with Zak Starkey and Pino, and just watching Roger and Pete interact was enough for me.  I get that it wasn't like seeing Isle of Wight in '69, but it was still The Who, and it kicked ass. 

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Re: Black Sabbath Discussion Thread
« Reply #816 on: March 02, 2017, 12:29:32 AM »
I think any Sabbath with Ozzy and Iommi would be enoug for me to go. The Who, the same thing I guess. Just hearing those songs live while these guys are still alive, I'd see them. 
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« Reply #818 on: August 18, 2017, 06:44:56 AM »
I was able to get a boot of the show I saw - Mansfield, MA - and both of the Birmingham shows.   They really sounded good.  Ozzy was flat at times, but not distractingly so (and at least he was singing, right?) and the band was on fire.  They went out on a good note, pun intended.   :)

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« Reply #819 on: August 18, 2017, 07:09:37 AM »
Yea I kind of thought Ozzy wouldn't be the greatest live anymore, but to my surprise, he sounded really well at the NJ show and of course the band sounded fantastic.

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« Reply #820 on: September 27, 2017, 12:33:24 PM »
"I" may be the greatest metal song ever conceived.  :metal :metal

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« Reply #821 on: September 27, 2017, 12:39:09 PM »
It's not even my favorite on its own album but yes, it's quite great. Heard it live and it rocked  :metal
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