Author Topic: 2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty (Read 211041 times)

King Postwhore · « **Reply #840 on:** August 28, 2017, 07:13:26 PM »

Julian made the big catches in 2 Superbowls. Wes did not.

Cable · « **Reply #841 on:** August 28, 2017, 07:23:20 PM »

doesn't this tie *directly* to what Black Floyd is saying? 21 other players? Re-listen to Belichick's drop in A Football Life- "play 60 minutes of...!" SB42 was not lost by Wes, nor 46. 78% catch in SB42, 87% in SB46 sounds right about in his career %. And Randy Moss could have jumped up in SB42, and what did Hernandez and 20% of Gonk do in 46? Branch? Great that JE made a huge catch last year, and caught a TD while concussed in SB49. Doesn't make him irreplaceable. 21 other primary players too, including a defense- which was garbage in 2011.

Plus, we're on to 2017. 😜

King Postwhore · « **Reply #842 on:** August 28, 2017, 07:29:01 PM »

I love Wes. Julian is slightly better and Yes! Onto 2017!!

KevShmev · « **Reply #843 on:** August 28, 2017, 07:54:36 PM »

I was never a big Welker fan, but he was better than Edelman. Not just a little better, a lot better. And far more durable, which meant a lot considering the punishment the slot guy in NE takes on those catches.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #844 on:** August 28, 2017, 07:58:38 PM »

Not just N.E. slot recievers, all slot receivers.

KevShmev · « **Reply #845 on:** August 28, 2017, 08:02:47 PM »

Talk about a thankless job. You take tons of punishment, have shorter careers, and get called marginal, run of the mill possession WRs by internet blowhards.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #846 on:** August 28, 2017, 08:05:18 PM »

4 to 6 million if your free at that job as well. Thankless for sure.

Cable · « **Reply #847 on:** August 28, 2017, 08:17:36 PM »

Agree Kev on durability, not that JE can do anything about it really. We'll see if TB12 snake oil works for the rest of JE's career. We all agree the job sucks, and is probably right above NT and DTs for respect-to-dirt job ratio. Maybe Guards and Centers too.

That being said, I agreed with Keyshawn last year about the "less skilled" WRs in NE not being as raw talented. What Key and every other "talented" diva WR doesn't do is work as hard as those NE WRs. And it shows, and Key confirmed every opinion I've ever had on diva WRs. TB and any great QB I imagine wants a receiver to be at point A when they throw. JE and WW I would trust to be there. Not Keyshawn.

KevShmev · « **Reply #848 on:** August 28, 2017, 08:21:34 PM »

Agreed. Look at Randy Moss and then imagine if he had worked his ass off for his entire career instead of taking games off, or hell, seasons off. He would have shredded Jerry Rice's numbers. He was so freakishly talented that he put up numbers to where you could argue that he was the 2nd best WR ever and it still seems like he underachieved.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #849 on:** August 28, 2017, 08:47:41 PM »

Guys, how many receivers do we put in that category? It's rarified air.

Cable · « **Reply #850 on:** August 28, 2017, 09:07:38 PM »

What King, WRs that play hard often and have "raw talent?"

King Postwhore · « **Reply #851 on:** August 28, 2017, 09:13:30 PM »

You and I know th receivers that have come and gone that failed in N.E. (Don't make me list them😂) Brady is the greatest AN (Kev, shut it!

) but you need talent to have Brady's trust. Nevermind to the level of Julian. Let's penalize positions because you play with a great.

Cable · « **Reply #852 on:** August 28, 2017, 09:47:21 PM »

Yeah I wouldn't have Brady's trust because I cannot catch consistently King! Plus I couldn't work as hard physically as he would need probably.

I don't think me and Kev are saying JE, WW, Branch, TBrown and etc cannot catch at all, or reliably. I don't think it is a size thing either, because A-Brown and other more recent WRs I cannot think of now that are short. We are saying that divas like Moss, TO, Keyshawn, Ochostinko, B-Marshall and so on are considered talented above most of their piers. This is evidenced by their money, and ProBowl acclaim. Yet every one has had episodes of pouting/self-glamourizing, and been identified as either taking plays off, losing focus, and/or running incorrect-freelance routes. If you take away a lot of those mental errors, you'd have a competitor for Rice, and someone who could play on NE with Brady. And Rice has recently, or I read recently somewhere, that he never considered himself actually talented like other WRs. Take away Moss' 2007, which he was motivated for, and you have standard Moss during his other 2.2 NE years.

PB1 · « **Reply #853 on:** August 28, 2017, 10:39:37 PM »

whatever happens, i have no doubt in my mind tht the patriots will cheat their way to another afc championship, maybe even a super bowl.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #854 on:** August 29, 2017, 04:36:24 AM »

Quote from: PB1 on August 28, 2017, 10:39:37 PM

whatever happens, i have no doubt in my mind tht the patriots will cheat their way to another afc championship, maybe even a super bowl.

I enjoy your tears.

KevShmev · « **Reply #855 on:** August 29, 2017, 06:31:50 AM »

Quote from: Cable on August 28, 2017, 09:47:21 PM

Yeah I wouldn't have Brady's trust because I cannot catch consistently King! Plus I couldn't work as hard physically as he would need probably.

I don't think me and Kev are saying JE, WW, Branch, TBrown and etc cannot catch at all, or reliably. I don't think it is a size thing either, because A-Brown and other more recent WRs I cannot think of now that are short. We are saying that divas like Moss, TO, Keyshawn, Ochostinko, B-Marshall and so on are considered talented above most of their piers. This is evidenced by their money, and ProBowl acclaim. Yet every one has had episodes of pouting/self-glamourizing, and been identified as either taking plays off, losing focus, and/or running incorrect-freelance routes. If you take away a lot of those mental errors, you'd have a competitor for Rice, and someone who could play on NE with Brady. And Rice has recently, or I read recently somewhere, that he never considered himself actually talented like other WRs. Take away Moss' 2007, which he was motivated for, and you have standard Moss during his other 2.2 NE years.

The irony to all of this is that WR is probably one of the least important positions in the NFL now when it comes to winning. QB, DE, OLT, C, LB, etc. are all more important.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #856 on:** August 29, 2017, 07:23:06 AM »

The one thing you guys are not thinking of is Brady has lasted because he's had that blanket to pass quick to when feeling pressure over his career. (Brown, Weller, Endelman)

Now who is the slot guy who Brady trusts to break the right way when feeling pressure?

Stadler · « **Reply #857 on:** August 29, 2017, 07:52:19 AM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on August 29, 2017, 07:23:06 AM

The one thing you guys are not thinking of is Brady has lasted because he's had that blanket to pass quick to when feeling pressure over his career. (Brown, Weller, Endelman)

Now who is the slot guy who Brady trusts to break the right way when feeling pressure?

Some guy named Biff that they got off waivers.

Fast forward to five years from now: "So WHAT Biff has never had 100 receptions or 1,000 yards; he has three Super Bowl rings. I'll take Biff over Brandon Marshall any day of the week!"

TAC · « **Reply #858 on:** August 29, 2017, 07:57:58 AM »

I'll take Weller.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #859 on:** August 29, 2017, 10:58:01 AM »

. @Stadler.

They need to for sure. You can't have em and dollar in the slot the guy can't last a full season so they need somebody for the slot.

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #860 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:02:06 PM »

@bosk

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bosk1 · « **Reply #861 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:25:21 PM »

Too confusing. But I think I have an adequate compromise in mind. Stand by...

cramx3 · « **Reply #862 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:29:56 PM »

King Postwhore · « **Reply #863 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:40:29 PM »

Greatest Porn name ever.

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #864 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:47:25 PM »

I know one admin for a past-their-prime prog band's forum who's getting a pair of Isotoner gloves for Christmas.

bosk1 · « **Reply #865 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:48:53 PM »

If he doesn't want his, can I have them?

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #866 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:58:02 PM »

Of course

TheSilentHam · « **Reply #867 on:** August 29, 2017, 01:58:35 PM »

Quote from: black_biff_stadler on August 29, 2017, 01:47:25 PM

I know one admin for a past-their-prime prog band's forum who's getting a pair of Isotoner gloves for Christmas.

Haken has a forum? And you know the admin?

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #868 on:** August 30, 2017, 01:54:25 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on August 29, 2017, 06:31:50 AM

Quote from: Cable on August 28, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
Yeah I wouldn't have Brady's trust because I cannot catch consistently King! Plus I couldn't work as hard physically as he would need probably.

I don't think me and Kev are saying JE, WW, Branch, TBrown and etc cannot catch at all, or reliably. I don't think it is a size thing either, because A-Brown and other more recent WRs I cannot think of now that are short. We are saying that divas like Moss, TO, Keyshawn, Ochostinko, B-Marshall and so on are considered talented above most of their piers. This is evidenced by their money, and ProBowl acclaim. Yet every one has had episodes of pouting/self-glamourizing, and been identified as either taking plays off, losing focus, and/or running incorrect-freelance routes. If you take away a lot of those mental errors, you'd have a competitor for Rice, and someone who could play on NE with Brady. And Rice has recently, or I read recently somewhere, that he never considered himself actually talented like other WRs. Take away Moss' 2007, which he was motivated for, and you have standard Moss during his other 2.2 NE years.

The irony to all of this is that WR is probably one of the least important positions in the NFL now when it comes to winning. QB, DE, OLT, C, LB, etc. are all more important.

True. WR's aren't worth much if you don't have a good QB. However, I would also throw RB's in the mix also. QB's can struggle without a running game.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #869 on:** August 30, 2017, 02:07:00 PM »

I would say the receivers are more important in the Pats system then running back. The short passing is like a running game.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #870 on:** August 30, 2017, 02:08:35 PM »

That being said, the QB is the most important postion by leaps and bounds. Second is cornerbacks. Obviously with the league wanting a passing game.

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #871 on:** August 30, 2017, 02:23:00 PM »

Yeah, good points King. It is a QB driven league.

KevShmev · « **Reply #872 on:** August 30, 2017, 08:20:45 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on August 30, 2017, 02:08:35 PM

That being said, the QB is the most important postion by leaps and bounds. Second is cornerbacks. Obviously with the league wanting a passing game.

Eh, I would say having a stud pass rushier/defensive end is more important than a great cornerback. A stud pass rusher can disrupt an entire offense.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #873 on:** August 30, 2017, 08:21:41 PM »

I would put that 3 or 2b but it is very important.

Cable · « **Reply #874 on:** August 31, 2017, 06:18:32 AM »

I'm on the fence about the usefulness of a pass rusher, factoring in Watt's absence last year. HOU seemed to do better without him. Could just be their team and scheme though, where as they accommodate him or something.

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