2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[TAC]

I can see why some might think Hogan has made more of an impact. It is all about perception in regards to how both players were acquired.

I don't care about how they were acquired. I just watch the games. Brady would tell you the same thing, just so you know.

Don't try and throw stats at me...again!

[KevShmev]

When Tom Brady himself tells me that, I will believe it. 

[Stadler]

You know, any other QB I think we'd all say move on.  Brady is still playing at such a high level that is sort of monkey wrench into what Belichick wants. There's a chance this year that Brady may win three Super Bowls in 4 years. And look how well he's playing his last 4 year. Who's match that?


This is a once in a lifetime player.  No drop off.

at 37, 39, and 40, in a league that is as violent as ever.   Absolutely amazing.

[El Barto]

This doesn't happen much here, but I'm with Kev all the way in this. Like I said, this off season is the right time to move away from TB. I think he's still an excellent QB, though certainly no longer in his prime, but his days are necessarily numbered and they were in a position to move on. If all of this is true, and it certainly seems plausible, I don't see Bill sticking around and Kraft has really done a number on the team.

Something else I don't see is him moving to a new team. His legacy is cemented and if he wanted to add anything further it would be an epilogue where he set the Patriots up to carry on without him. That no longer seems to be in the cards.

Correct.  I don't think it's going out on a limb to now think that Belichick doesn't give a damn what kind of shape he leaves the team in once he is gone.  When you consider that they are not usually the most talented team, but one always coached up by the GOAT coach and his staff, it will be a sharp fall once Belichick departs and Brady really does hit the cliff.

To me it's pretty sad that we might not get to see if "The Patriot Way" can exist without him. It's a lock that the next Bill Belichick isn't on their team (or any other), but it's a real possibility that the next head coach is and would be a damn good one after his tutelage. If the two scenarios are that Bill handed off the team to JMD with a young franchise QB and a pretty good roster, or he helped the two assistants leave and JG leave, the second one would be a damn shame.

In any case, I think we'll see some questions answered on February 5.

[TAC]

When Tom Brady himself tells me that, I will believe it. 

[King Postwhore]

 

[jingle.boy]

When Tom Brady himself tells me that, I will believe it. 

Picture + words on the interwebz.  It must be true.

[KevShmev]

 

In the meantime. this Chiefs/Titans game is dog shit, punctuated by that awful call on the Mariotta sack/fumble.  How that wasn't a fumble doesn't even make sense.  Awful NFL officiating strikes again. 

[TAC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/06/congrats-cleveland-browns-fans-celebrate-0-16-season-with-parade/?utm_term=.549274c870b1

Awesome!

[Stadler]

In the meantime. this Chiefs/Titans game is dog shit, punctuated by that awful call on the Mariotta sack/fumble.  How that wasn't a fumble doesn't even make sense.  Awful NFL officiating strikes again. 

"Dog shit" is being kind.  Does anyone still think that Andy Reid is a good coach?   They looked good in the first half, but talk about not preparing your team for the second half.  My god.   And no, it's not because they lost Kelce.   Please.  This is the big leagues, you need to be able to respond.   Dick LeBeau?  RESPONDED.   Mularky?  RESPONDED.   Reid?  FOLDED. 

Baring something idiotic by the Titans - lets not rule that out! - the Chiefs now have the longest HOME playoff losing streak (6) in the history of the NFL.

[KevShmev]

lol Chiefs. I dozed off at 21-3 and woke up 10 minutes ago to 22-21 and had to rub my eyes to make sure I was seeing that right.  How in the world did KC blow that?

[King Postwhore]

You think KC should go after Belichick? 

[faizoff]

lol Chiefs. I dozed off at 21-3 and woke up 10 minutes ago to 22-21 and had to rub my eyes to make sure I was seeing that right.  How in the world did KC blow that?

Call it intuition but I was exactly expecting that to happen given Andy Reid's history and sure enough, I wasn't even remotely surprised at the result. The 2nd half was quite entertaining, to be honest.
And that TD pass and catch by Mariota was hilarious to watch live.

[TAC]

You think KC should go after Belichick? 

McDaniels?


Seriously though, are there better options than Reid at this point. The way they started, this season has been a disaster.

[KevShmev]

Well, Reid's record over the long haul still speaks for itself, but his team really shit the bed this year.  They went from a 5-0 start to stumbling to a 10-6 finish and then lost at home to a Titans team that was lucky to even make the playoffs.  That is on him.

[TAC]

He likely survives, but is that the right call?

[KevShmev]

No clue on that one.  How does Kareem Hunt only get 3 carries in the 2nd half?  You have dog shit at WR except for Tyreek Hill (who is a speed guy and not a true number 1) and Kelce was out, so you come out throwing?  Goofy.

[King Postwhore]

Not goofy.


Expected.

[TAC]

Overrated.

*waits for Kev to post coaching record stats* 

[DragonAttack]

https://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Remember-When-Brad-Johnsons-TD-Pass-To-Himself/c50c1baa-2129-43ee-938a-eef3ad4d58cf

Not a 'Music City Miracle', but Mariota's TD pass/catch needs an 'Immaculate Deflection' type of moniker.  I'll give Gruden kudos for saying how that would have been big time fantasy football points on that play.

[KevShmev]

Overrated.

*waits for Kev to post coaching record stats* 

Hey now, if wins and losses don't matter, then I will remember that the next time y'all bring up the Patriots five Super Bowl wins.

[TAC]

Overrated.

*waits for Kev to post coaching record stats* 

Hey now, if wins and losses don't matter, then I will remember that the next time y'all bring up the Patriots five Super Bowl wins.

And I'll remember that the next time you bring up Reid's Super Bowl wins. 




Stop confusing me with Kingshmegland.

[King Postwhore]

Hey now. In the end what team is better.  KC or the Pats?

/thread.

[TAC]

Right on cue.

[King Postwhore]

 

While I agree that some players like Marino are great but just with no rings, to have those stats with rings says so much more about a player.  Kev has express this when ranking Brady all time.


Now about Reid.  His track record says it all.  Very good in the regular season.  A hot mess in the playoffs.

[KevShmev]

Dan Quinn's team might win tonight, but he just won the Dumbass of the Day Award. I hope the Rams come back and win 27-26 to highlight what a moron he was for kicking the XP to go up 13 with less than 6 minutes left.

[Stadler]

https://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Remember-When-Brad-Johnsons-TD-Pass-To-Himself/c50c1baa-2129-43ee-938a-eef3ad4d58cf

Not a 'Music City Miracle', but Mariota's TD pass/catch needs an 'Immaculate Deflection' type of moniker.  I'll give Gruden kudos for saying how that would have been big time fantasy football points on that play.

Haha, I got a chuckle out of that too.  "That's 12 points right there in your fantasy football league!" or something close to that. 

I like Gruden.  I'll miss him in the booth if he goes to the sideline.   Watch out for the Raiders if he does.  He's the real deal. 

[KevShmev]

[Stadler]

While I agree that some players like Marino are great but just with no rings, to have those stats with rings says so much more about a player.  Kev has express this when ranking Brady all time.


Now about Reid.  His track record says it all.  Very good in the regular season.  A hot mess in the playoffs.

I forgot... what's the trophy for the winner of the regular season? 

[RoeDent]

OK, so I said earlier in the season that the Chiefs and the Falcons were set to win Super Bowls within the next few years. Speaking for the Chiefs, I'm changing that now to "they should, but they probably won't". Consistent playoff appearances/close to playoff appearances, but they really need to make the step up to the next level, instead of tanking like they did last night. They're like Tottenham Hotspur in recent years, showing great promise but ultimately failing to deliver.

[KevShmev]

Even though the Rams are fun to watch, I did enjoy seeing them get punked in their first home playoff game back in L.A.

Stan Kroenke can still eat a bag of shit.

[King Postwhore]

Why does he bother you Kev?

[Stadler]

OK, so I said earlier in the season that the Chiefs and the Falcons were set to win Super Bowls within the next few years. Speaking for the Chiefs, I'm changing that now to "they should, but they probably won't". Consistent playoff appearances/close to playoff appearances, but they really need to make the step up to the next level, instead of tanking like they did last night. They're like Tottenham Hotspur in recent years, showing great promise but ultimately failing to deliver.

I don't think everyone here shares my belief in this, but for me, this is where the coach is the difference maker.   

I will give credit where credit is due, though:  Reid is in my opinion one of the three (if not THE) worst coaches in the league when it comes to game/clock management, but to his credit, he had three time outs going into the last two minutes of the game and used at least one of them smartly (to avoid a run-off).  Didn't matter in the end, but still.  At least he learned his lesson in 17 years.  He ought to make the next plateau by 2034.  He'll only be 76 years old. 


HEY!  Go to his Wiki page now, before it changes. It actually says this:  "Andrew Walter Reid (born March 19, 1958) is an American football coach and playoff choke artist who is the current head coach for the Kansas City Chiefs of the National Football League (NFL).[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Reid

[CrimsonSunrise]

Even though the Rams are fun to watch, I did enjoy seeing them get punked in their first home playoff game back in L.A.

Stan Kroenke can still eat a bag of shit.

He's no different from that murdering whore Georgia, or any other owner for that matter... it's all about the benjamins.  GO RAMS!!

[Dream Team]

After reading a bunch of cocky gambling advice prior to the games and then seeing the actual results, I’m amazed so many people risk money on such an unpredictable event.