2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[El Barto]

Alleged. 

[Stadler]

Not at all supporting what Gronk did (I'll be honest, though; I didn't see it personally), but my question is, why start now?   I suppose the journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step, but in keeping with what most of the NFL does, it just seems so arbitrary.  It's not at all the same as "Zeke", because that's all part of the NFL's hamfisted and plodding attempt to placate women and address women's issues.   

Interesting that this has completely overshadowed what to me is the real story in Foxboro; Brady yelling "FUCK YOU" at McDaniels on the sideline as he's being restrained.   Not that I think it's going to impact anything on the field, but it was more interesting than the latest in a long line of meat head football players acting overly aggressive at inappropriate times (and us wondering why that happens). 

[Stadler]

OH, and I might have missed it, but where's the thread about Andy Reid being one of the best coaches in football.   I seem to remember a LOT of talk about that about six, seven weeks ago, but now???    It is as inevitable as a shitheel tweet from Trump; a Reid defense is soft when they need to be strong, because he brought in a guy to SPECIFICALLY fill a void, and made the team markedly worse, and then when he needs the offense - led by a very good, but not great QB - to step up, he's got no timeouts and no idea how to manage a game clock and so falls short.   Yesterday's game was text book Andy Reid, and that's what you get as an outcome.   All the 5-1 starts in the world don't matter; it's how you finish. 

[El Barto]

Not at all supporting what Gronk did (I'll be honest, though; I didn't see it personally), but my question is, why start now?   I suppose the journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step, but in keeping with what most of the NFL does, it just seems so arbitrary.  It's not at all the same as "Zeke", because that's all part of the NFL's hamfisted and plodding attempt to placate women and address women's issues.   

Interesting that this has completely overshadowed what to me is the real story in Foxboro; Brady yelling "FUCK YOU" at McDaniels on the sideline as he's being restrained.   Not that I think it's going to impact anything on the field, but it was more interesting than the latest in a long line of meat head football players acting overly aggressive at inappropriate times (and us wondering why that happens).

Nah, I'd consider that healthy. They've worked together for ages and they're pretty tight. Coworkers yell at each other all the time, and they're no exception. Moreover, it happened after Brady took a second too long causing him to miss a throw. Brady knew what had happened and was pissed off at himself. He didn't want/need McDaniels harping on it. Some people are hard enough on themselves and don't need others throwing shit in their face. There was no anger towards JMD, really. Just a STFU. 

The best thing was somewhere later in that game. Buffalo player walked towards 2 refs, never got closer than about 10 yards, made an angry but rather benign gesture and yelled something at them. The refs looked at each other and both threw flags. I'm really curious what you can't yell at a ref that'll result in 15 yards. I thought mouthing off was acceptable.

[Dublagent66]

Tonight's game gives me hope for the Rams and Raiders v. Eagles.  Eagles had pretty easy opponents up to now.

Rams are good enough.  Don't know about the Raiders.  You're correct.  2 out of the Eagles 10 wins are against teams with winning records.  They hit a buzz saw last night.

[Stadler]

Maybe I'm jaded, but I see the Eagles in the same light as I see the Panthers, the Cowboys and the Chiefs.   It's why I harp on the "winning" so much.   There are too many examples of a coach/QB/team making one or even two passes through the league and coming back down to earth.  Let's see some sustained performance, and some hardware, before we get too crazy with the superlatives. 

[Stadler]

McAdoo, Reese, GONE.

I have to be honest; if they now go back to Eli, and he is the guy, I'd be pissed if I was him, having the streak end over petty administrative bullshit as opposed to his playing and/or his health. 

[Architeuthis]

They showed the replay of the Gronk scene this morning,  man that was a cheap shot totally uncalled for! Gronk needs to be held accountable for this, completely inexcusable. His apology seemed more of a formality and he was trying to justify his behavior. I actually liked him up to this point, but I lost a lot of respect for him after that.  I would go as far as saying he should be suspended for the rest of the season (including the playoffs) and a hefty fine... He intentionally hurt someone who had their back turned face down ON THE GROUND!

[cramx3]

McAdoo, Reese, GONE.

I have to be honest; if they now go back to Eli, and he is the guy, I'd be pissed if I was him, having the streak end over petty administrative bullshit as opposed to his playing and/or his health.

I very much appreciate and loved what Reese did to this team when he first came on. His draft picks played a huge role in winning that first Superbowl.  I am forever grateful for his work in creating those teams that while weren't the best, managed to do what only the best can do.  In the last 6 years or so, the Giant's drafts have been poor and this offseason they didn't even attempt to fix their biggest problem (Oline).  He hired a first year head coach who couldn't get the job done as well.  For that, I say good riddance as this was the worst year I can recall in a long time where the team flat out quit.  I trust the ownership in finding a new front office and coaching staff to move this team in the right direction in the draft and moving on from Eli, another person I truly appreciate and loved watching for many years.  But time has come.  Looking forward to watching a younger team next year start to build into something. 

[Dream Team]

They showed the replay of the Gronk scene this morning,  man that was a cheap shot totally uncalled for! Gronk needs to be held accountable for this, completely inexcusable. His apology seemed more of a formality and he was trying to justify his behavior. I actually liked him up to this point, but I lost a lot of respect for him after that.  I would go as far as saying he should be suspended for the rest of the season (including the playoffs) and a hefty fine... He intentionally hurt someone who had their back turned face down ON THE GROUND!

A lot of NE fans don’t think he should be suspended. I wonder what their reaction would be if Brady had been on the receiving end?

Also, the way to end the Shaq treatment on Gronk is to call OPI on him every single time he pushes off. When that happens, defenders will no longer need to hold him to balance out the contact.

[TAC]

A lot of NE fans don’t think he should be suspended. I wonder what their reaction would be if Brady had been on the receiving end?

Also, the way to end the Shaq treatment on Gronk is to call OPI on him every single time he pushes off. When that happens, defenders will no longer need to hold him to balance out the contact.

This NE fan has no issue with a game. None. I said yesterday that he should've been ejected.

And they do call OPI on Gronk constantly. In fact they called a phantom OPI yesterday.

[King Postwhore]

He should get a game no doubt.

[El Barto]

A lot of NE fans don’t think he should be suspended. I wonder what their reaction would be if Brady had been on the receiving end?

Also, the way to end the Shaq treatment on Gronk is to call OPI on him every single time he pushes off. When that happens, defenders will no longer need to hold him to balance out the contact.

This NE fan has no issue with a game. None. I said yesterday that he should've been ejected.

And they do call OPI on Gronk constantly. In fact they called a phantom OPI yesterday.

And a hold. Whereas the guy he fell on interfered and held on the same play and didn't get called. Pretty sure Amendola was getting hassle put on him at midfield during that play, as well. Doesn't excuse what happened afterward by any means, but this notion that Gronk does whatever he wants and doesn't get called is fucking stupid.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Tonight's game gives me hope for the Rams and Raiders v. Eagles.  Eagles had pretty easy opponents up to now.

Rams are good enough.  Don't know about the Raiders.  You're correct.  2 out of the Eagles 10 wins are against teams with winning records.  They hit a buzz saw last night.

And 3 more teams would have winning record if not for losses against Philly. So 5 out of 10 wins are definitely quality wins. On top of that, they beat the Giants before they self-destructed, so that can be considered a quality win as well.

Most overrated stat in sports.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

And Gronk got his suspension.

[El Barto]

Gronk should have known better. Should have just stood on the dude's leg. That's already been sanctioned.

I won't complain because he really did deserve it. Just goes to show, though, what a joke the league is in terms of discipline and officiating.

[Architeuthis]

How long is his suspension?

[Architeuthis]

Nevermind, it's for one week. Whoopie ding, he deserves much worse than that imo..

[mikeyd23]

How long is his suspension?

One game. Which he obviously is appealing.

[Dublagent66]

Maybe I'm jaded, but I see the Eagles in the same light as I see the Panthers, the Cowboys and the Chiefs.   It's why I harp on the "winning" so much.   There are too many examples of a coach/QB/team making one or even two passes through the league and coming back down to earth.  Let's see some sustained performance, and some hardware, before we get too crazy with the superlatives.

I agree.  The only difference is, Dallas already has a history of hardware but what have they done for us lately?  Nothing.  Look at Dallas last year.  Longest winning streak in the league (11 games), get a first round buy in the playoffs and then one and done.

Tonight's game gives me hope for the Rams and Raiders v. Eagles.  Eagles had pretty easy opponents up to now.

Rams are good enough.  Don't know about the Raiders.  You're correct.  2 out of the Eagles 10 wins are against teams with winning records.  They hit a buzz saw last night.

And 3 more teams would have winning record if not for losses against Philly. So 5 out of 10 wins are definitely quality wins. On top of that, they beat the Giants before they self-destructed, so that can be considered a quality win as well.

Most overrated stat in sports.

Not sure what you mean about beating the Giants.  They've been atrocious all year.

[KevShmev]

How long is his suspension?

Not long enough.

OH, and I might have missed it, but where's the thread about Andy Reid being one of the best coaches in football.   I seem to remember a LOT of talk about that about six, seven weeks ago, but now???    It is as inevitable as a shitheel tweet from Trump; a Reid defense is soft when they need to be strong, because he brought in a guy to SPECIFICALLY fill a void, and made the team markedly worse, and then when he needs the offense - led by a very good, but not great QB - to step up, he's got no timeouts and no idea how to manage a game clock and so falls short.   Yesterday's game was text book Andy Reid, and that's what you get as an outcome.   All the 5-1 starts in the world don't matter; it's how you finish.

Reid has been a head coach for now 300 games and won 60% of them.  The Chiefs current free fall is inexplicable, but it doesn't take away from what a great coach Reid has been for nearly 20 years. 

[El Barto]

Gotta love Benglas/Steelers games. Maybe Burfict will stab somebody and draw a $1k fine.

[KevShmev]

Shazier with a brutal injury.  Hope he is okay.

[DT2003]

I like Gronk and his emotions got the best of him, but I definitely agree with the suspension.

[Dream Team]

Shazier with a brutal injury.  Hope he is okay.

Thanks. I feel bad for him, but he wouldn’t stop leading with his head. Accident waiting to happen. 😔

[TAC]

Shazier with a brutal injury.  Hope he is okay.

Thanks. I feel bad for him, but he wouldn’t stop leading with his head. Accident waiting to happen. 😔

[El Barto]

Burfict's probably just faking his concussion.

[KevShmev]

Post-Week 13 Power Rankings

Top 10
1. New England - should have the easiest road to the Super Bowl ever
2. Minnesota - we are seeing how good this team is when they get good QB play
3. Philadelphia - a loss like that was inevitable
4. New Orleans - that 1-2 punch at RB is lethal
5. LA Rams - stunning turnaround, but can they win at Seattle to lock up the division?
6. Pittsburgh - they keep eking by, but having to struggle to beat mediocre teams week after week shows that they aren't as good as their record
7. Seattle - R. Wilson is THE scariest player in the league right now
8. Carolina - imagine if they had a consistent QB
9. Jacksonville - imagine if they had a good QB
10. LA Chargers - poised to snag the AFC West

NFL MVP Top 5
1. Russell Wilson - take him away from the Seahawks and they become the Broncos (but with better coaching)
2. Tom Brady - had a rare game with more INTs than TDs
3. Carson Wentz - made the most ridiculous throw of the year, but still struggled too much
4. Antonio Brown - this guy is just too damn good
5. Alvin Kamara - easily the rookie of the year and is just an unbelievable weapon

[black_biff_stadler]

Nice to see you finally giving Kamara his due.

[Dream Team]

Shazier with a brutal injury.  Hope he is okay.

Thanks. I feel bad for him, but he wouldn’t stop leading with his head. Accident waiting to happen. 😔

I just appreciated his sentiments. If you think everyone is as gracious as Kev regarding opposing players, you have obviously never visited a Bengals message board. Truly a disgusting and hate-filled fan base.

[Dream Team]

Nice to see you finally giving Kamara his due.

Also, kudos recognizing Wilson is the clear MVP. He has MUCH less support around him than Brady does.

[King Postwhore]

You do know how many injuries the Patriots have had on offense this year don't you?

3 offensive starting linemen, Julian Endelman, Chris Hogan.  Ect... I could go on.

[mikeyd23]

Shazier with a brutal injury.  Hope he is okay.

Yeah that looked bad...

Burfict's probably just faking his concussion.

Clearly.

Honestly, I never want to see a player get hurt, but seeing that guy get lite up was somewhat satisfying. I hope he's okay, I'm certainly not wishing injury upon him but some part of me thinks he deserved to get laid out like that.

Also, I hope AB is going to be okay, that head shot he took in the end zone (and somehow still caught the ball?!?) was rough. Ugly, ugly game.

[KevShmev]

And yet Brady still has way more help around him than Wilson.   The Patriots are 9th in the NFL in rushing.  The Seahawks are 21st (and would be dead last if not for Wilson having over 1/3 of their rushing yards).

[KevShmev]

Honestly, I never want to see a player get hurt, but seeing that guy get lite up was somewhat satisfying. I hope he's okay, I'm certainly not wishing injury upon him but some part of me thinks he deserved to get laid out like that.

That was my thought as well.  My reaction when the hit happened was, "That was brutal, but the guy deserved it."

That said, between Smith-Schuster's taunting and Brown yelling karma in the locker room after the game, the Steelers cannot take the moral high ground when it comes to this ugliness between them and the Bengals. Both teams should be embarrassed.