2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[DT2003]

As a Giants fan I’m absolutely disgusted by this move. If the Giants had a young QB with lots of potential and wanted to see what they had with him, then I’d be fine with making that move, but benching Eli for Geno Smith is absurd. This guy is not the answer and Eli is not the problem. In any event as bad as they are I’d prefer for them to keep losing so they can get a top draft pick and putting Smith in at QB makes that likely. I just feel bad for Eli as he has been nothing but classy for the Giants and they treat him like this.

[TAC]

Eli has this Patriots' fan's total respect.

[PowerSlave]

I owe Kev an apology. I'm going to use the fact that I haven't had a day off of work for a few weeks as my excuse. 

I had questioned Bell being on his list as MVP contenders, but tonight after work I did some reading. He's having a much better season than I thought he was. He's leading the league in yards from scrimmage, and that's no small feat. While I still believe that the offense is driven by Ben, every QB needs weapons to be effective. He's lucky enough to have a couple of great ones.

[El Barto]

Where the Giants screwed up was not having Webb ready to play. If they'd benched Eli to give Webb a shot nobody would be upset. Benching him for Geno is a monumental dick move. I gather that Geno had been getting all the reps in practice, which would make sense, but at some point you need to look ahead and see this situation coming and designate Webb the number two. I can't help but think that at some point Eli must have really pissed John Mara off something terrible.

On the bright side, all of us that can't stand Eli are now completely on his side. This has been great PR for him. He'll be healthy and ready to roll when it comes time to jump ship next year.

[Stadler]

As a Giants fan I’m absolutely disgusted by this move. If the Giants had a young QB with lots of potential and wanted to see what they had with him, then I’d be fine with making that move, but benching Eli for Geno Smith is absurd. This guy is not the answer and Eli is not the problem. In any event as bad as they are I’d prefer for them to keep losing so they can get a top draft pick and putting Smith in at QB makes that likely. I just feel bad for Eli as he has been nothing but classy for the Giants and they treat him like this.

Don't worry; with Geno starting, the losing will continue.   Amazing to me that he has lingered this long in the league. 

[cramx3]

Im a Giants fan and I have little issue with the move.  To me, it's the ownership sending the signal the team needs to rebuild and move on, which they need to do.  To do that, you make tough decisions.  I'd be fine with Eli sticking around another year personally, I think he's not the reason the Giants are terrible, and I'd bet he'd make a decent mentor to a top QB pick in the draft.  But, this team needs a lot of work and I think that starts with a new coaching staff and I'm not sure Eli is going to survive a new coaching staff this late in his career.  It's probably best to just clean house and starting now makes no difference than starting at the end of the season.  I do feel bad for Eli, I've always been a supporter and fan of his, but it's a business and the Giants need to move on.  Look around the division, they aren't going to compete with the younger teams until they make these hard moves. 

[bosk1]

But is there any reason to bench Eli?  The 49ers traded Joe Montana to the Chiefs when he was still a top QB but they were ready to start building the next generation around Steve Young.  They didn't bench Montana in the meantime (I mean, they did intermittently for health/injury reasons, but it wasn't just an arbitrary benching to let Young get some play time).  That's far different than benching a healthy, top QB for an obvious second stringer that is clearly NOT the future of the team.  I get it that I don't really have standing to argue the propriety of this with a Giants fan.  But I just don't see how this isn't insulting to him.

[cramx3]

The reason is to move on IMO, I do think it would be easier to swallow if the staff had a young QB to take the reigns or were more open about a bigger plan, but I think this is the plan, or it better be if they are benching him.  To start new.  Make the current coaching staff bench Eli and take the brunt of the pain now, then cut everyone and start new and not make the new staff take the hit on moving on from Eli.  I think the GM, Reese, needs to go too.  The Giants had some awesome years and some great drafts, I am very much thankful for that as a fan.  I believe in the ownership though.

[KevShmev]

Post-Week 12 Power Rankings

Top 10
1. Philadelphia
2. New England
3. Minnesota
4. New Orleans
5. Pittsburgh
6. LA Rams
7. Carolina
8. Atlanta
9. Seattle
10. LA Chargers

NFL MVP Top 5
1. Carson Wentz
2. Tom Brady
3. Russell Wilson
4. Antonio Brown
5. Alvin Kamara

[King Postwhore]

Kev, damn close stats between Brady and Wentz

https://m.herosports.com/nfl/player-comparison/carson-wentz-vs-tom-brady

[El Barto]

Kev, damn close stats between Brady and Wentz

https://m.herosports.com/nfl/player-comparison/carson-wentz-vs-tom-brady

Not really. That .8 in YPA is pretty large, as are the two INTs relative to their attempts. However, I don't look at MVP as who's the best QB. In this case I think Brady is more important to his team than Wentz is to his. Brady gets unfairly penalized there because of his coach. Yet I think Phil would be the better team if they both lost their QBs.

[King Postwhore]

Oh I certainly do to El Barto. But it's great to see a second-year QB at this level.  He's not that far off.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

10 weeks ago I was a Ravens fan. When I first jumped ship to Philly, people didn't seem to think much of it, other than the shock of a diehard Ravens fan bailing on the team. Eagles werw 2-1. Never in my wildest dreams did I think they would go on this long of a streak, so to outsiders, my decision could look like an on the field decision. And tonight, with a Dallas loss, the Eagles would clinch their division in November. Unreal.

[TAC]

Pretty sure none of that would've happened had you not jumped on the wagon! 

[DT2003]

But is there any reason to bench Eli?  The 49ers traded Joe Montana to the Chiefs when he was still a top QB but they were ready to start building the next generation around Steve Young.  They didn't bench Montana in the meantime (I mean, they did intermittently for health/injury reasons, but it wasn't just an arbitrary benching to let Young get some play time).  That's far different than benching a healthy, top QB for an obvious second stringer that is clearly NOT the future of the team.  I get it that I don't really have standing to argue the propriety of this with a Giants fan.  But I just don't see how this isn't insulting to him.

It’s definitely insulting to him. If they were to play Webb to see whether he has potential or they should draft a QB next year, you could at least justify the reasoning behind it, but to bench him for Geno Smith and say that gives the team the best chance to win is a huge insult to Eli. I can’t imagine how any Giants fan can argue that.

[TAC]

Here's some perspective...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9lFXw63BA

NSFW!

[King Postwhore]

Saturday morning I'm leaving for Buffalo.  Can't wait!

[TAC]

Saturday morning I'm leaving for Buffalo.  Can't wait!

Cool. We're actually going up to Portland on Saturday to see the Maine Red Claws.

[King Postwhore]

Tim, in check out Bissell Brothers brewery in Lewiston.  They will not disappoint.

[Stadler]

But is there any reason to bench Eli?  The 49ers traded Joe Montana to the Chiefs when he was still a top QB but they were ready to start building the next generation around Steve Young.  They didn't bench Montana in the meantime (I mean, they did intermittently for health/injury reasons, but it wasn't just an arbitrary benching to let Young get some play time).  That's far different than benching a healthy, top QB for an obvious second stringer that is clearly NOT the future of the team.  I get it that I don't really have standing to argue the propriety of this with a Giants fan.  But I just don't see how this isn't insulting to him.

It’s definitely insulting to him. If they were to play Webb to see whether he has potential or they should draft a QB next year, you could at least justify the reasoning behind it, but to bench him for Geno Smith and say that gives the team the best chance to win is a huge insult to Eli. I can’t imagine how any Giants fan can argue that.

In my opinion?   King gives the Gints a better chance to win than Geno Smith. 

[Dublagent66]

10 weeks ago I was a Ravens fan. When I first jumped ship to Philly, people didn't seem to think much of it, other than the shock of a diehard Ravens fan bailing on the team. Eagles werw 2-1. Never in my wildest dreams did I think they would go on this long of a streak, so to outsiders, my decision could look like an on the field decision. And tonight, with a Dallas loss, the Eagles would clinch their division in November. Unreal.

You're right.  Until they win a SB, it will continue to remain unreal.

[cramx3]

But is there any reason to bench Eli?  The 49ers traded Joe Montana to the Chiefs when he was still a top QB but they were ready to start building the next generation around Steve Young.  They didn't bench Montana in the meantime (I mean, they did intermittently for health/injury reasons, but it wasn't just an arbitrary benching to let Young get some play time).  That's far different than benching a healthy, top QB for an obvious second stringer that is clearly NOT the future of the team.  I get it that I don't really have standing to argue the propriety of this with a Giants fan.  But I just don't see how this isn't insulting to him.

It’s definitely insulting to him. If they were to play Webb to see whether he has potential or they should draft a QB next year, you could at least justify the reasoning behind it, but to bench him for Geno Smith and say that gives the team the best chance to win is a huge insult to Eli. I can’t imagine how any Giants fan can argue that.

In my opinion?   King gives the Gints a better chance to win than Geno Smith.

Of course the current team/ownership is going to say this is about winning now but everyone knows Geno does not give the Giants a better chance to win these remaining games and no one really wants the Giants to win these games.  Just get the best draft pick possible at this point, the team quit on the coach weeks ago.  Leave all the distractions and negativity out there in this horrendous season and start fresh next year without the distractions and with money to spend.  That of course is assuming McAdoo is gone after the season and the Giants find a way to deal with Eli's contract.

[King Postwhore]

We're onto Buffalo.


430am.  In my car heading to Buffalo for the Pats/Buffalo game

[DragonAttack]

Going to the Ravens-Lions tomorrow.  The last time Detroit was here was '09, following their winless season.  They were dreadful then as well.  I saw many good sense of humor fans wearing official jerseys with the #16 on them, and the last name 'Owen'. 

[Cool Chris]

Saw that a Clevelander applied for a permit to have a parade should the Browns achieve perfect with an 0-16 record. I admire this guy. I would go to that parade. I just hope the team doesn't much it up by actually winning a game.

[Dream Team]

Patriots weren’t stopping the run, no reason to pass on first down there. Horrible pick. Typical stupidity from their AFC East “competition”.

[King Postwhore]

Hello from Buffalo.

[TAC]

Hello from Buffalo.

 

[Destiny Of Chaos]

You didn't throw that dildo on the field did ya?

[TheCountOfNYC]

Big win by the Jets and a huge meltdown by the Chiefs defense in the fourth quarter (or really that one drive). Marcus Peters wins the NFL Asshole of the Week award for his antics, and if I were in charge in Kansas City, I would release him on the flight home for his antics, regardless of how good he is. The Jets keep their slim playoff hopes alive, and Kansas City’s freefall continues.

[King Postwhore]

You didn't throw that dildo on the field did ya?

Mine was strapped on.

[KevShmev]

It is hard to laugh at any other team right now, considering what a joke the Broncos are right now, but I am enjoying this Chiefs collapse quite a bit.

Broncos need to lose out to to get a top 3 pick and land one of those QBs coming out (and pray Elway doesn't screw it up).

Gronk should get a game. That is one of the worst cheap shots of the season.

[TAC]

Gronk should get a game. That is one of the worst cheap shots of the season.

Suspended a game? I don't know, but he absolutely should've been ejected at that point.

[King Postwhore]

He'll get fined.  That's it.  He was a dummy.  He apologized.   Frustrated for all the grabbing.  Dumb move on his part.

[KevShmev]

Let's be serious for a minute.

The NFL has talked big the last few years about how they care about concussions now.

Today had a player getting concussed when a play was over and a player on the other team dove at his head with clear malicious intent when he was still on the ground.  You don't get any more cheap than that, frustration or not.

It should be at least one game.