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« Reply #280 on: February 24, 2017, 03:16:11 PM »
That said, I have the very strong suspicion that the inner dynamics of DT would not really allow a permanent touring member.
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« Reply #281 on: February 24, 2017, 05:25:05 PM »
I think it would have been difficult to find a female singer who fits the style of the songs, the role of Faythe (Lizzy Hale didn't fit imo) and would have had the time to tour with DT AND gets along with 5 guys on the road for a year! Apart from this, it wouldn't have made TA more successful imo. The complaints from DT fans who didn't like TA had nothing to do with the vocals. They complained about the songs being too soft, the music boring, the whole thing being a musical and not a DT album, plus complaints about the story. Different singers for each role or just one female singer for the female parts wouldn't have helped in that regard. The album would have sounded even less like a DT album and more like a musical. It would have worked for the fans who love TA, but it wouldn't have made the album less disappointing for the others.

I love TA (apart from some problems with the storyline and the presentation of the characters), I also would love it with guest singers, though personally I think the way JLB embodies 7 characters with his voice, 2 females included, makes the album more special. Nothing against guest singers but that has been done so often, it would have been Ayreon meets Avantasia to me (I'm a fan of both btw).

One year on, thinking about the sad fact that TA didn't become the success it should have been (with 1, 2 or more singers, whatever) I wonder if it wouldn't have been wiser and more honest to release TA not as a DT album but a project of JP and JR. I know that JP and JR have always been the main writers of DT, but an album written solely by 2 of 5 band members, the others excluded, isn't really a band album imo. They could have hired James and a well chosen female vocalist who really fits, and instead of touring just have done a few special shows, filming one of them if financially possible. They could have done it with JM and MM (if they'd wanted to be a part of it) or with a different bassist and drummer. That way the fans wouldn't have expected a DT album/live show and would perhaps have been more open minded to something different. After that they could have toured I&W as they do now and then write a new DT album with (hopefully) everybody involved ...

Just some crazy thoughts too late at night ...

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« Reply #282 on: February 24, 2017, 05:47:13 PM »
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An aspect I had not thought of.  Keep posting 'crazy thoughts' like this :tup

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« Reply #283 on: February 24, 2017, 05:53:32 PM »
I feel like this album could have had much bigger success under a different band name, targeted at a different audience. My niece who pretty much exclusively listens to pop/Disney soundtracks loves TA (but no other DT)  :lol
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« Reply #284 on: February 24, 2017, 07:14:35 PM »
A bigger success? I don't know about that but yeah I'm not surprised about her reaction. I have read so much about guys bringing their girlfriends to the show but they don't like the rest of DT's music. It's an album of another type of art, could have been great for a movie or some science fiction cartoon for those who likes that.
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« Reply #285 on: February 24, 2017, 08:40:56 PM »
TA also had an unfortunate amount of DT's infamous "homages". I would argue that an effort like TA, which is trying to draw you into a story, should stay away from reminding you of other songs overtly. The Tempus Fugit clone (A Life Left Behind) is of course the most egregious one, but right before that they're leaning rather heavily on The Wall (Brother Can You Hear Me).
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« Reply #286 on: February 24, 2017, 08:44:01 PM »
TA also had an unfortunate amount of DT's infamous "homages". I would argue that an effort like TA, which is trying to draw you into a story, should stay away from reminding you of other songs overtly. The Tempus Fugit clone (A Life Left Behind) is of course the most egregious one, but right before that they're leaning rather heavily on The Wall (Brother Can You Hear Me).

Not a Yes fan (mostly because I never checked them out) but that beginning of A Life Left Behind is one of my favorite parts of TA. Just checked out The Tempus Fugit thing. God damn, you're right.
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« Reply #287 on: February 24, 2017, 10:55:34 PM »
He wasn't asked to perform all roles. He insisted. JP originally considered hiring other vocalists for the female parts.


Interesting tidbit. More power to him. Glad he did all the parts.

Agreed. He hardly writes lyrics (I don't know if he prefers that) and I'm guessing he doesn't write the vocal melodies. LaBrie has other band members (or maybe one band member now) telling him how to sing...at least let him do all the damn vocals. 
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« Reply #288 on: February 25, 2017, 02:49:22 PM »
TA also had an unfortunate amount of DT's infamous "homages". I would argue that an effort like TA, which is trying to draw you into a story, should stay away from reminding you of other songs overtly. The Tempus Fugit clone (A Life Left Behind) is of course the most egregious one, but right before that they're leaning rather heavily on The Wall (Brother Can You Hear Me).
The (Brother Can You Hear Me) is more like Hemispheres by Rush.  The "I have memory and awareness, but I have no shape or form" section..  To me, that's awesome and probably unintentional on DT's part. The music came out in JP's subconscious. Lol!
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« Reply #289 on: February 27, 2017, 02:18:16 PM »

I think they should've released Act I as it was, (which would've ranked really high in DT's rankings for me), then maybe spending a few extra months on refining what they had for Act II & then going into the studio to record that.


Still ranks as their best for me.  One of my favourite albums of all time.  I agree the second half, particularity the story, feels rushed and not on par with the first half and I think the above idea would have been awesome.  Release the first "half" as an album and then their next album is the second half.  That would have given them more time write new material and really develop things more completely, and would have given us a couple years of debating what was to come next.  That would have been SOOO epic.

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« Reply #290 on: February 27, 2017, 02:42:18 PM »
TA also had an unfortunate amount of DT's infamous "homages". I would argue that an effort like TA, which is trying to draw you into a story, should stay away from reminding you of other songs overtly. The Tempus Fugit clone (A Life Left Behind) is of course the most egregious one, but right before that they're leaning rather heavily on The Wall (Brother Can You Hear Me).
The (Brother Can You Hear Me) is more like Hemispheres by Rush.  The "I have memory and awareness, but I have no shape or form" section..  To me, that's awesome and probably unintentional on DT's part. The music came out in JP's subconscious. Lol!

If anything that DT does sounds like Rush, it's more than likely to be intentional.  However, there is nothing in BCYHM that's sounds even remotely close to Rush.  It's definitely closer to Pink Floyd.
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« Reply #291 on: February 27, 2017, 05:07:00 PM »
I like the astonishing a lot. I just don't get a chance to listen to it as much as I would like, just due to its shear length.
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« Reply #292 on: March 01, 2017, 01:05:53 AM »
A little geeky but that's interesting

"Mitch Gallagher sits down with acclaimed Engineer, Mixer, and Producer Richard Chycki. He talks with Mitch about the microphones used to record the latest Dream Theater album."

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« Reply #293 on: March 01, 2017, 06:44:29 AM »
awesome video, I love watching stuff like that

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« Reply #294 on: March 08, 2017, 06:56:20 AM »
Still enjoy the album but cannot sit down and listen to the whole thing in one sitting anymore, always give up part way through.  Listening in small chunks to and from work though, I always enjoy it.  I would say though that the songs haven't grown on me in the sense that I'm still not keen on the songs that I wasn't keen on in the beginning.

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« Reply #295 on: March 09, 2017, 11:15:10 AM »
a great achievement lovely music; james shines on this, we are lucky to have a band who can give us such diversity

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« Reply #296 on: March 13, 2017, 07:43:13 AM »
I like TA a lot and everything, but I kind of wish it would have been one disc. I just can't ever seem to make it through the whole thing, even though I want to. And to be 100% honest, the songs blend together a little. Those would be my only nit picks.

Now compare that to something like operation mindcrime. One single disc. I make through the whole thing every time, and there are very distinct, unique and self-contained songs. With TA, I'm never like "oh I like such and such song" its more like. Yeah its a great album

Ultimately, I am still glad they reached for the stars on this one and tried something different.
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« Reply #297 on: March 14, 2017, 12:54:56 PM »
The Astonishing has some very good moments. The "DT cheese factor" is pretty strong throughout the whole concept and performance. Seeing creepily animated people flying around on hovering platforms as fake trumpets blare was too cringe worthy....even for DT (Well, maybe it wasn't as cringe worthy a JP making us all think he is about to be raped by a crusty old man sucking on a pipe.  :rollin). For my money, "Far From Heaven" > "Breaking All Illusions" > "Beneath the Surface" is one of their finest string of songs ever!

Anyhow, The Astonishing on first listen was far from my favorite. Today, it has grown on me a little more. I can always appreciate DT pushing new bounds, even if the end result is not to MY taste. In the end, I think we can all agree; Dream Theater is like sex....or pizza..... Even when it is "bad" it is still pretty good.  :)

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« Reply #298 on: March 14, 2017, 05:50:56 PM »
Love the album but have not once listened from Descent of the NOMACs all the way through to Astonishing.

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