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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #245 on: July 25, 2017, 11:02:04 AM »
I'm a huge fan of the Bill Parcells management style:   you treat Phil Simms like Phil needs to be treated in order for him to succeed (i.e., riding his ass every minute until he hates you and performs well almost out of spite, and it takes 15 years for him to realize that you were doing that to make him better) and you treat Lawrence Taylor like LT needs to be treated in order for him to succeed (i.e. letting him do basically whatever he wants - including hookers and blow the night before a game).

Trump hasn't learned that, to his great detriment. 

I remember being on a conference call with Jack Welch once, and a manager who had lost money - but about half of what he SHOULD have lost, given the market, the product, and the resources behind him - presented his numbers, followed by a guy who made money - but about a third of what he SHOULD have made, given the market, the product and the resources invested in that product.   And the second guy was all proud about "being in the black!"   Welch complimented the first guy and the second said again, "but we made money!" and Welch ripped him a new asshole up, down and sideways for underperforming in his space.  I feel like that with Trump sometimes.   Yeah, he's a billionaire, worth $5B or whatever, but I sometimes feel with him that there is a LOT left on the table.  Like he SHOULD be doing so much better. 

Tweets like that reinforce the feeling for me.

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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #246 on: July 26, 2017, 12:33:58 PM »
Jul 26, 2017 12:21:19 PM - IN AMERICA WE DON'T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT - WE WORSHIP GOD!

This dude is either A) Trolling B) Desperately trying to keep the core of his base intact and on his side. 

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« Reply #247 on: July 26, 2017, 12:53:45 PM »
Jul 26, 2017 12:21:19 PM - IN AMERICA WE DON'T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT - WE WORSHIP GOD!

This dude is either A) Trolling B) Desperately trying to keep the core of his base intact and on his side.
Tweet back Allahu akbar and watch the hilarity ensue.
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2017, 01:02:38 PM »
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #249 on: July 26, 2017, 01:03:44 PM »
Jul 26, 2017 12:21:19 PM - IN AMERICA WE DON'T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT - WE WORSHIP GOD!

This dude is either A) Trolling B) Desperately trying to keep the core of his base intact and on his side.
Tweet back Allahu akbar and watch the hilarity ensue.

I might reactivate my Twitter just to do this  :lol

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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #250 on: July 26, 2017, 02:32:08 PM »
Jul 26, 2017 12:21:19 PM - IN AMERICA WE DON'T WORSHIP GOVERNMENT - WE WORSHIP GOD!

This dude is either A) Trolling B) Desperately trying to keep the core of his base intact and on his side.
Tweet back Allahu akbar and watch the hilarity ensue.

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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #251 on: August 09, 2017, 10:30:13 AM »
Aug 8, 2017 06:11:49 AM I will be holding a major briefing on the Opioid crisis, a major problem for our country, today at 3:00 P.M. in Bedminster, N.J.

Trump's solution;
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/trumps-solution-to-opioid-crisis-tell-kids-drugs-are-bad.html

“If they don’t start, they won’t have a problem. If they do start, it’s awfully tough to get off. So if we can keep them from going on and maybe by talking to youth and telling them: ‘No good, really bad for you in every way”


and

“Strong law enforcement is absolutely vital to having a drug-free society”


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« Reply #252 on: August 09, 2017, 10:33:37 AM »
Tell kids that drugs are bad?




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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #253 on: August 09, 2017, 10:40:20 AM »
Drug abuse education has been counterproductive in the past, but that doesn't bother me much. As expected, he used it to double down on the antiquated efforts of his throwback AG, which is really just pandering to the LE community. More money for cops. More money for prisons. That's what really matters here.
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« Reply #254 on: August 27, 2017, 08:44:27 AM »
Usually I can roughly figure out what's going on in his head when he tweets out certain things, but I'm drawing a blank on why he's been excitedly bigging up how huge this storm is and comparing it to the storms of previous presidents. Today alone: "Many people are now saying this is the biggest storm they've ever seen", and then a few minutes later: "Wow - Now experts are calling Harvey a once in 500 year flood!" Is he trying to take credit for the size of a storm now? He realises the immensity of a hurricane isn't actually something to be proud of, right?

The simple explanation, which many are suggesting, is he's trying to draw attention away from the transgender ban and the pardoning of Arpaio, but I don't think he cares too much about doing that. To me it looks like he's setting himself up for taking credit for rescuing people from a flood of Biblical proportions. By relentlessly reminding people of how many died under previous presidents' storms, he'll paint himself as a hero and saviour of millions.

edit: as I was writing this, yet another one: "Even experts have said they've never seen one like this!" Oh the Freudian opportunities going on here.
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #255 on: August 27, 2017, 08:50:03 AM »
I think that Trump still just sees himself as a passive commentator of events than someone who is actually in charge of leading the country.

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« Reply #256 on: August 27, 2017, 09:23:34 AM »
I think that Trump still just sees himself as a passive commentator of events than someone who is actually in charge of leading the country.

That's definitely a part of it, but his behaviour is also another page from the Tinpot Dictator Playbook he sometimes like to consult. He's trying to drill into people's minds that this is the biggest, most destructive, devastating, terrifying storm since Noah set sail. Even the "experts" (how he loves to use that word when it suits him, and then deride other "experts" when it doesn't) are dumb-founded and petrified, he wants us to believe. And between these tweets, he's posting other ones about how he's "monitoring everything" from Camp David. Tweet after tweet about how he's co-ordinating rescue efforts, giving instructions, chairing meetings, and so on. This way, when the final casualty tally is in and it's relatvely low, he can claim it's because of him and his iron-nerved leadership, and remind everyone of how many lives were lost during previous storms under previous weak and indecisive presidents.

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« Reply #257 on: August 27, 2017, 10:48:35 AM »
Usually I can roughly figure out what's going on in his head when he tweets out certain things, but I'm drawing a blank on why he's been excitedly bigging up how huge this storm is and comparing it to the storms of previous presidents. Today alone: "Many people are now saying this is the biggest storm they've ever seen", and then a few minutes later: "Wow - Now experts are calling Harvey a once in 500 year flood!" Is he trying to take credit for the size of a storm now? He realises the immensity of a hurricane isn't actually something to be proud of right?

The simple explanation, which many are suggesting, is he's trying to draw attention away from the transgender ban and the pardoning of Arpaio, but I don't think he cares too much about doing that. To me it looks like he's setting himself up for taking credit for rescuing people from a flood of Biblical proportions. By relentlessly reminding people of how many died under previous presidents' storms, he'll paint himself as a hero and saviour of millions.

edit: as I was writing this, yet another one: "Even experts have said they've never seen one like this!" Oh the Freudian opportunities going on here.
Yeah, I would guess the reason for bigging it up that if he says the hurricane is so huge, and then the damage isn't as bad as, say, Katrina, he can hold it up as an example of how amazing his administration handled it. If a crisis is coming that's not your fault (natural disaster), then making it out to be as disastrous as possible has no downside as you can't be blamed for a very bad hurricane, and however bad the damage is you can more easlily claim that it was nowhere near as bad as it could have been.
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« Reply #258 on: September 12, 2017, 02:01:34 PM »
 I'm not sure where else to put this, but Ted Cruz liked a random porn video. Of course blamed on a staffer. The crazy part is like covfefe - how long it stayed up.

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« Reply #259 on: September 12, 2017, 02:34:25 PM »
I'm not sure where else to put this, but Ted Cruz liked a random porn video. Of course blamed on a staffer. The crazy part is like covfefe - how long it stayed up.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he dug him some porn, but my understanding is that it was fairly pedestrian. That leads me to believe it was a staffer. I'd expect something more fetishistic from him, honestly. Though I suppose that plain ole old person sex might actually be oddball enough for him. Who knows.
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #260 on: September 13, 2017, 06:06:38 AM »
I'm not sure where else to put this, but Ted Cruz liked a random porn video. Of course blamed on a staffer. The crazy part is like covfefe - how long it stayed up.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he dug him some porn, but my understanding is that it was fairly pedestrian. That leads me to believe it was a staffer. I'd expect something more fetishistic from him, honestly. Though I suppose that plain ole old person sex might actually be oddball enough for him. Who knows.

I get the feeling that searching for sex on twitter, watching a plain as shit 2 minute video then frantically trying to close it but accidentally hitting like is the most exciting and crazy thing he could ever hope to aspire to. I think he's probably too repressed for anything more oddball than that.
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #261 on: October 04, 2017, 06:36:23 AM »
Oct 4, 2017 06:29:43 AM - Wow, so many Fake News stories today. No matter what I do or say, they will not write or speak truth. The Fake News Media is out of control!

Oct 4, 2017 05:25:58 AM - A great day in Puerto Rico yesterday. While some of the news coverage is Fake, most showed great warmth and friendship.


Why can't Trump, I don't know, maybe sit down on FB live or Youtube and actually spell out what specifically is the fake news?

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« Reply #262 on: October 10, 2017, 10:11:23 PM »
Why can't Trump, I don't know, maybe sit down on FB live or Youtube and actually spell out what specifically is the fake news?
That would require Trump to get into specifics and we all know he is physically incapable of doing that.

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« Reply #263 on: October 12, 2017, 02:49:51 PM »
"Texas & Louisiana: we are w/ you today, we will be w/ you tomorrow, & we will be w/ you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, & REBUILD!"

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« Reply #264 on: October 12, 2017, 03:13:13 PM »
Texas and LA are red-country, and there are lots of votes there.

Puerto Rico... no votes, ergo nothing to be gained, there.
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« Reply #265 on: October 13, 2017, 12:20:29 PM »


Interestingly, network news outlets are protected by the first amendment. Trump, as a garden variety American retard, is also protected. President of the United States Trump loses much of that protection, though, and these tweets could certainly be construed as violating the free speech of the organizations he's implicitly threatening. Numerous court decisions are pretty clear about that.
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« Reply #266 on: October 13, 2017, 12:55:14 PM »


Interestingly, network news outlets are protected by the first amendment. Trump, as a garden variety American retard, is also protected. President of the United States Trump loses much of that protection, though, and these tweets could certainly be construed as violating the free speech of the organizations he's implicitly threatening. Numerous court decisions are pretty clear about that.

Free speech notwithstanding, neither get to state falsehoods that may wrongly disparage the reputation of the other. 

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« Reply #267 on: October 13, 2017, 01:01:19 PM »
Then file a lawsuit for defamation.  Waste your time and money. That's what the courts are for. Don't make threats that chill the speech of others. A real president (or even a moderately educated adult) would understand these things.
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« Reply #268 on: October 13, 2017, 01:02:52 PM »
Then file a lawsuit for defamation.  Waste your time and money. That's what the courts are for. Don't make threats that chill the speech of others. A real president (or even a moderately educated adult) would understand these things.

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« Reply #269 on: October 18, 2017, 08:15:52 AM »
Oct 18, 2017 06:25:24 AM - Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!


Again. This is 2017. Why not just post the proof to Youtube and Tweet that out instead?

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« Reply #270 on: October 18, 2017, 09:10:32 AM »
Oct 18, 2017 06:25:24 AM - Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!


Again. This is 2017. Why not just post the proof to Youtube and Tweet that out instead?

Honestly, though?  If what he said was truly "he knew what he signed up for", I don't actually get the outrage.   That to me is the supreme compliment, a testament to the courage and selflessness of the soldier.   He KNEW he could die at any moment in protecting his country, and he did it anyway.  I don't have that courage, I can tell you that.

If any of you haven't heard it yet, listen to the Howard Stern interview with Robert O'Neill, the guy that took the shot (well, three of them) that killed Osama bin Laden. All fascinating, but the one part that gave me pause - and made me pause the satellite radio to contemplate, I shit you not - was when he recounted the part where the guy in front of him went in the room, and threw himself onto two women sitting on the floor (because radical Islam has a tendency to arm their women with explosives as a form of protection and deception) in order to cushion a potential explosion. Howard asked him something to the effect of "but that meant he wouldn't come home?" and O'Neill said, without hesitation, apology or regret, that "none of us planned on coming home". They went in with the mindset of it being a suicide mission, albeit one that had to be done. And the part that gave me pause was when he recounted having dinner with his family - wife AND kids - the day before leaving and knowing that a) he couldn't tell them what he was going to be doing, and b) that he very likely would never see them again.


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« Reply #271 on: October 18, 2017, 09:17:20 AM »
Would St. Reagan have said that? Sometimes there are true, factual things you want to say, and opt not to because it's just not the right time or place.
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« Reply #272 on: October 18, 2017, 09:20:08 AM »
Would St. Reagan have said that? Sometimes there are true, factual things you want to say, and opt not to because it's just not the right time or place.

I don't know if he would have or not; I do feel - strongly - that had he said it, it wouldn't have created the uproar it has here.  Because, well, Trump.  Trump could have said simply "Your son is a true hero" and there would have been backlash of some kind, be it a restatement of a tweet from 1869 that Trump made about heroes, or some snarky meme about Trump's military service, or maybe just a simple crack that "Melania was a hero too!" for her wifely duties. 

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« Reply #273 on: October 18, 2017, 09:21:23 AM »
Oct 18, 2017 06:25:24 AM - Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!


Again. This is 2017. Why not just post the proof to Youtube and Tweet that out instead?

Honestly, though?  If what he said was truly "he knew what he signed up for", I don't actually get the outrage.   That to me is the supreme compliment, a testament to the courage and selflessness of the soldier.   He KNEW he could die at any moment in protecting his country, and he did it anyway.  I don't have that courage, I can tell you that.

I don't have a problem with what he said, I'm sure he meant something along the lines of "He knew of the dangers and was still willing to risk his life for his country". Though, part of me is greatly bothered by the fact that a the man with access to 6,800 nuclear weapons doesn't have the mental capacity to form complete and rational thought.

I'm more irritated by the stupid game he plays. The "I have the proof to disprove everything, but I'm not going to show it to you. You're going to have to take my word for it. Trust me though. I have it. I swear" game.

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« Reply #274 on: October 18, 2017, 09:26:10 AM »
Would St. Reagan have said that? Sometimes there are true, factual things you want to say, and opt not to because it's just not the right time or place.

I don't know if he would have or not; I do feel - strongly - that had he said it, it wouldn't have created the uproar it has here.  Because, well, Trump.  Trump could have said simply "Your son is a true hero" and there would have been backlash of some kind, be it a restatement of a tweet from 1869 that Trump made about heroes, or some snarky meme about Trump's military service, or maybe just a simple crack that "Melania was a hero too!" for her wifely duties.
While I don't argue the second point, I doubt Reagan would have said that. At least not so soon. The one thing I admire about him is that he knew very well how to communicate what needed to be communicated, and in the capacity of Consoler in Chief he simply needed to offer support and comfort. Moreover, even though he was an actor, there was always a sincerity in what he said. Has anybody ever referred to Trump and sincerity in the same sentence?
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« Reply #275 on: October 18, 2017, 09:40:28 AM »
No, and you bring up a good point; we talk a lot about what we WANT from politicians and, to quote Michael Stipe, "what we want and what we need has been confused, been confused".   We WANT straight talk from our politicians, but it seems we NEED a "Consoler in Chief".  I don't argue with that one bit, frankly, and it's why not everyone can be CEO or leader of the band.   GE was as great as it was for so long because Welch as CEO had Larry Bossidy as COO, and when Bossidy took over Allied Signal it wasn't the same (at both places) and Welch would have made a shitty No. 2.  We all have our roles, and Trump isn't' really cut out temperamentally for the Number One job, even if people THINK that's how it ought to be done. 

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« Reply #276 on: October 18, 2017, 09:49:48 AM »
*IF* this is what he said, it's yet another demonstration of a complete lack of empathy - this time for the family of those that have given the ultimate sacrifice for love of their country.  And the statement is tantamount to victim blaming.  No one signs up for the military with the intent of getting killed.  You don't say to any of Weinstein's conquests "they knew what they were getting in to".

No, he doesn't need to be "consoler in chief", just demonstrate even a modicum of empathy.
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« Reply #277 on: October 18, 2017, 10:04:26 AM »
Oct 18, 2017 06:25:24 AM - Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!


Again. This is 2017. Why not just post the proof to Youtube and Tweet that out instead?

Honestly, though?  If what he said was truly "he knew what he signed up for", I don't actually get the outrage.   That to me is the supreme compliment, a testament to the courage and selflessness of the soldier.   He KNEW he could die at any moment in protecting his country, and he did it anyway.  I don't have that courage, I can tell you that.
I thought this when I saw that quote as well. Seems like the type of thing that could be perfectly suitable. Maybe you could accuse it of being worded in a way that might risk sounding a bit bad if taken out of context. But if Donald was hitting that standard he'd be doing far better than usual.

However, I think it basically depends on the context, and the tone of the whole conversation. "He knew what he signed up for" or words similar to that could, depending on delivery, come across as akin to:
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a testament to the courage and selflessness of the soldier.   He KNEW he could die at any moment in protecting his country, and he did it anyway.  I don't have that courage, I can tell you that.

On the other end of the spectrum, it might come across more like:
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So it's more just a question of how the overall effort went, rather than whether the words "he knew what he signed up for" were used (which I agree wouldn't necessarily be a problem). Considering this quote:
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After Mr Trump said Ms Wilson’s claims were a fabrication, the congresswoman doubled down and provided more information about the call.

“When she hung up the phone she turned to me and said ‘He did not even know his name’,” she said. “That was the worst part.

It sounds as though her account definitely is that Donnie came off as uncaring and extremely flippant about it.

Edit: I see the mother have already said they consider the congresswoman's description to be accurate.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355997-mother-of-fallen-soldier-trump-did-disrespect-my-family
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"President Trump did disrespect my son and my daughter and also me and my husband," Johnson's mother, Cowanda Jones-Johnson, told The Washington Post.

The Post asked Jones-Johnson, who was also in the car, if Wilson's description of the conversation was accurate.

"Yes," she said.
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« Reply #278 on: October 18, 2017, 11:44:15 AM »
It sounds as though her account definitely is that Donnie came off as uncaring and extremely flippant about it.

That seems so unlike him!
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Re: Trump Tweets (sorry Stadler)
« Reply #279 on: October 18, 2017, 11:48:43 AM »
So there are two ways this thing could play out. The presidential way: "I'm very sorry that she misinterpreted my remarks. She's going through a terrible time right now and the best thing I can do is to once again offer sympathy and any support she needs." Or the Grabby Way, which is go to war with her and spend the next month belittling her on Twitter. Anybody want to bet on the former?
 
Within a week FOX will run an article raising some question about the woman or her son, deflecting some of her inherent sympathy. I guarantee it.
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