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Confirmation Hearings
« on: January 11, 2017, 08:05:03 PM »
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Anyway, I've tried to follow the hearings this week. I'm no expert. But it seems that the two most vocal opponents in their respective hearings are Booker (AG Hearing) and Rubio (SOS). It feels like they are both planting soundbites for their respective Presidential runs.
I feel like it actually undermines their credibility.

Does that make sense?
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2017, 08:47:25 PM »
Yup. Haven't heard much of Booker, but Rubio certainly sounded like a tool while making Tillerson look quite respectable.
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 09:04:41 PM »
Didn't see any of it, but Booker acts from conscience, almost to a fault.  While mayor of Newark he actually did rescue someone from a burning building, would help old folks shovel their walks so they could get food, etc.  Complete boy scout, and with a heavy commitment to civil rights.
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2017, 05:22:18 AM »
Rubio was an embarrassment and illustrative of why we're in a lot of the mess we're in. His sneering cross-examination basically amounted to this:

Rubio: "Mr Tillerson, do you agree that Vladimir Putin has created a political climate in which people are bullied, intimidated and cajoled into agreeing with everything his government says without looking into it for themselves?"

Tillerson: "I'm not ready to say that yet, I want to see the information for mys..."

Rubio: "Let the record show Mr Tillerson supports dictatorships. Now then Mr Tillerson, on October 4th of last year a child was killed in Syria. Putin's planes did it. Do you therefore now denounce Putin as a war criminal?"

Tillerson: "I'm soon to be Secretary of State which is a huge responsibility, so before making such a serious claim I need to see the intelligence for myse..."

Rubio: "Let the record show Mr Tillerson sees nothing wrong with the slaughter of children. Now then, Mr Tillerson, standing in the park yesterday I was wondering why a Frisbee gets larger the closer it gets. Then it hit me."

Tillerson: "Ha, yeah, that's a good one"

Rubio: "Let the record show that Mr Tillerson was laughing 30 seconds after I told him about Vladimir Putin murdering children"


It was fucking shameful. Tillerson was professional, respectful and composed (as his future position demands, I should add), and for this he was mocked before the world's cameras by Rubio. Rubio came off as a guy who resents that this outsider is entering his hallowed turf of politics.

It also pissed me off (it's a pet peeve of mine when politicians do this) how he played that trick of resignedly saying how little time he had left ("I've only got a minute and a half left"), the implication being that Tillerson had disappointed him and wasted everyone's time by not giving him the 'right' answer at the beginning. Rubio wants to suggest that if only he had had more time he would have got to other matters instead of only being able to read off his own rambling and often incoherent (he cited Putin's approval ratings as evidence for why he carried out the Moscow apartment bombings 45 seconds after suggesting there is no regard paid to public opinion in Russia) list of grievances and theories. It wasn't a hearing for Secretary of State, it was Marco Rubio announcing his 2020 candidacy.
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 06:07:04 AM »
I standby every criticism I've ever made toward Rubio.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2017, 07:24:03 AM »
In the past I've expressed support for Rubio, and I won't deny that I honestly thought he would have done better in the primaries (for a while I thought him to be the likely nominee) but I have to say, sorely disappointed with his performance in recent weeks.  I get it, you need to build back your credibility, but this isn't how you do it. 

For all his faults - Trump, I mean, and he has a SHIT ton of faults - isn't it amazing how often, when all the dust settles, he was ultimately more right - as in correct - than people gave him credit for?  "Little Marco".  "Lyin' Ted" (though that one was obvious).  "Criminal Hillary" (also obvious). 

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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2017, 07:26:31 AM »
Yeah the Rubio exchange was hard to watch.

I agree with Dave, say what you will about Tillerson but he was extremely professional and composed throughout.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2017, 12:37:12 PM »
For all his faults - Trump, I mean, and he has a SHIT ton of faults - isn't it amazing how often, when all the dust settles, he was ultimately more right - as in correct - than people gave him credit for?  "Little Marco".  "Lyin' Ted" (though that one was obvious).  "Criminal Hillary" (also obvious).

Think about all those conversations over on that other forum where people insisted I was wrong, crazy, stupid, ignorant, idiotic, moronic, and just plain deplorable.  Yeah, it's lonely company to be a Trump supporter, but the road less traveled often leads to better places.  :hat
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2017, 01:14:00 PM »
Yeah the Rubio exchange was hard to watch.

I agree with Dave, say what you will about Tillerson but he was extremely professional and composed throughout.

I viewed Rubio's involvement and general tone to be a sophomoric attempt to stay in the game.  He's probably not done running for President, and he's got many years left to do so.  For right now it is important for him to establish a record.  If Trump's appointees fail or succeed he'll be able to play both sides down the road.  This is why politicians shouldn't be running things.  They are generally more concerned with politics than actually running things.
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2017, 10:09:45 AM »
The bitcoin guy for FDA??  I guess he's just pulling names out of a hat now?
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Re: Confirmation Hearings
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2017, 10:17:12 AM »
I'm just amazed it wasn't Shkreli.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2017, 10:31:29 AM »
I'm just amazed it wasn't Shkreli.

Given the fox/henhouse thing that has been going on with most nominations, that wouldn't be entirely surprising.  But, Trump has gone all populist on pharma and them "getting away with murder, and I'm going to stop it".  Not exactly sure how a Silicon Valley guy is going to do that, exactly.  Most of the abuses of the system are by a few companies taking advantage of rules that were designed to make sure that old drugs for certain rare conditions were still being manufactured (w/o certain incentives, there'd be a negative cash flow from them), or from getting creative with patents.

Of course, then there's RFK Jr. being appointed to head whatever vaccine committee that is [/headdesk]
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