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Offline Prog Snob

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2017, 04:20:56 PM »
Q1. Which of the following do you believe best describes your Dream Theater fanship (Please pick one)?
A)   Longtime Fan
B)   Recent Fan
C)   Hardcore Fan
D)   Casual Fan
E)   Not yet a Fan/Just giving Dream Theater a chance
F)   Not a fan, but like other Prog Rock
G)   Not a fan, and don’t like Prog Rock

Answer: A

Q2. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Falling Into Infinity’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: I heard the five songs played live before the album came out and then bought FII the day it came out (Sept 23, 1997).

Q3. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: I bought it the day it came out (Oct 26 1999).

Q4. How many Dream Theater studio albums have you listened to? How many can you name (without checking through your music collection or the internet)?

Answer: I have listened to every song they've ever written and released. Plus some others they haven't officially released. I could name all of them including the live releases plus the dates of release. You can call me an super fan.  ;)

Q5. Where would you rank ‘Falling Into Infinity’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: 12th (Only WDADU is lower)

Q6. Where would you rank ‘…Scenes from a Memory’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: 3rd

Q7. Which forum have you used to find and answer this questionnaire?

Answer:

Q7. How long have you been a member of this forum?

Answer: This time around, a couple of years. But I was a member years ago under a different name. And a member of the DT.net forum since before Metropolis 2 came out.

Q8. How and When did you discover Dream Theater’s music? (i.e. In which year did you first hear their music, and which song/album was it?)

Answer: 1992. Pull Me Under was on the radio.

Q9. In no more than 50 words, what do you think it takes for a musician or band to practice good Songwriting?

Answer: As a band, there needs to be an openness and willingness to work together and understand compromise. As a solo artist, it's the ability to focus and be patient enough to not force something that isn't there. Fifty words aren't really enough to answer this properly.

Q10a. Do you think that a musician or band working with external songwriters and producers is a bad thing?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: It's not that simple.

Q10b. Why? (No more than 50 words)

Answer: Saying it's good or bad is irrelevant. What works for one musician might not work for another. Dream Theater using an outside songwriter ultimately had a positive effect though. It pushed the band to such a place of desperation that it spawned the creative genius that inspired Metropolis 2 and brought them back to find the reasons they started making music in the first place.

Q11a. Were you aware that Dream Theater are a band that have worked with songwriters and producers in the past?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: A

Q12. Can you give an example of a ‘bad’ Dream Theater song?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: A

Q12b. In no more than 50 words, which song was it, and why did you choose it? Or, conversely, in no more than 50 words, why do you think you’ve not heard a ‘bad’ song from Dream Theater yet/what is it about their repertoire that you consistently enjoy?

Answer: You Not Me. The lyrics were co-written by an outside songwriter. It was attempt for the band to increase popularity by appealing to a different group of people.

Q13a. Do you have an affinity for a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that released material in the 1990’s?

Answer: Yes

Q13b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you like about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer: There are many prog bands from the 90s that appealed to me for a multitude of reasons - melodies, technical proficiency, experimentation.

Q14a. Is there a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that you dislike?

Answer: None come to mind.

Q14b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you dislike about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer:

Q15. Which genres of music would you say you find yourself listening to most of the time (please give two)?

Answer: progressive rock and classical

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2017, 05:59:53 PM »

Dream Theater Questionnaire:

Q1. Which of the following do you believe best describes your Dream Theater fanship (Please pick one)?
A)   Longtime Fan
B)   Recent Fan
C)   Hardcore Fan
D)   Casual Fan
E)   Not yet a Fan/Just giving Dream Theater a chance
F)   Not a fan, but like other Prog Rock
G)   Not a fan, and don’t like Prog Rock

Answer: A and C? :)

Q2. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Falling Into Infinity’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: 2002

Q3. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: 2002

Q4. How many Dream Theater studio albums have you listened to? How many can you name (without checking through your music collection or the internet)?

Answer: All of them, and I can name them all w/out checking

Q5. Where would you rank ‘Falling Into Infinity’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: It constantly changes.  Maybe today at #9

Q6. Where would you rank ‘…Scenes from a Memory’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: It also changes between 1-3; today it's at 1 :)

Q7. Which forum have you used to find and answer this questionnaire?

Answer: dtf

Q7. How long have you been a member of this forum?

Answer: Only about a month

Q8. How and When did you discover Dream Theater’s music? (i.e. In which year did you first hear their music, and which song/album was it?)

Answer: 2002; had heard of them for a long time and finally decided to check them out

Q9. In no more than 50 words, what do you think it takes for a musician or band to practice good Songwriting?

Answer: I'm not a musician, but I would say they should play and lot and learn a lot - have a lot of tools in their kit, and then write what moves them

Q10a. Do you think that a musician or band working with external songwriters and producers is a bad thing?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: No - with the caveat that it shouldn't be forced on the band - it should be their choice. 

Q10b. Why? (No more than 50 words)

Answer: I think it's bad in the case of FII (even though I like the album) where the band is forced into it; however, if wants an external ear or even collaboration on writing from someone they respect, it's fine.

Q11a. Were you aware that Dream Theater are a band that have worked with songwriters and producers in the past?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: A - yes

Q12. Can you give an example of a ‘bad’ Dream Theater song?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: No.

Q12b. In no more than 50 words, which song was it, and why did you choose it? Or, conversely, in no more than 50 words, why do you think you’ve not heard a ‘bad’ song from Dream Theater yet/what is it about their repertoire that you consistently enjoy?

Answer:   There are songs I don't completely like or may not always be in the mood for, but wouldn't go so far as to call them "bad."  When listening to a full album, I almost never skip a DT track.  What I like about them - melodies, playing, vocals, usually lyrics. :)

Q13a. Do you have an affinity for a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that released material in the 1990’s?

Answer: Yes, plenty.  Rush, Arcturus, Fates Warning, Vanden Plas, Symphony X, Threshold, Fates Warning, and probably others

Q13b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you like about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer: if you want me to pick one - Rush. I like the same things about them as I like about DT - great song-writing, great musicianship, spirit of experimentation with their music, great lyrics

Q14a. Is there a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that you dislike?

Answer: Yes, Pain of Salvation

Q14b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you dislike about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer: I don't like the vocals or most of the songs

Q15. Which genres of music would you say you find yourself listening to most of the time (please give two)?

Answer: progressive metal, progressive rock, classical, hard rock

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2017, 06:44:05 AM »

13 a/b Plenty. Appreciation of music is subjective and some of these bands make music I enjoy.

14 a/b Never cared much for Opeth. Again, simply my subjective likes and dislikes.

El Barto; of course, these things Are subjective. the reason for the questionnaire is to ask what each answerer's subjective ideals are, and to gather an idea of what aesthetics are shared by the DT Fan community, and which are not :)

Offline Setlist Scotty

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2017, 11:42:03 AM »

Q10a. Do you think that a musician or band working with external songwriters and producers is a bad thing?
Answer: Those are actually 2 different things. External songwriters, generally I would say yes. Outside producers, generally I would say no.


Setlist Scotty; I'm certainly aware that these are two different things. The general question concerns wether you feel that it's a bad thing for a band to work with songwriters AND producers. Therefore, I'll take your answer to be a 'yes' if your opinion is that it is bad for a band to use at least one of these things...?

DTresearcher
Honestly, it's not so cut and dry. As others have commented, it really depends on the situation, and certainly the influence that these individuals have. I'll just put it this way: if the contributions are very minor, it's probably not a bad thing (in most cases), but if the contributions are major or if they are doing all the songwriting themselves (and not the band), then this is a bad thing in my eyes.

That's why I said songwriters and producers are two different things. For the most part, I imagine that songwriters have a heavy hand in influencing/affecting the songs, whereas the producers do not, which is why I feel it's important to differentiate between the two.
As a basic rule, if you hate it, you must solely blame Portnoy. If it's good, then you must downplay MP's contribution to the band as not being important anyway, or claim he's just lying. It's the DTF way.

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2017, 08:46:51 AM »
Dream Theater Questionnaire:

Q1. Which of the following do you believe best describes your Dream Theater fanship (Please pick one)?
A)   Longtime Fan
B)   Recent Fan
C)   Hardcore Fan
D)   Casual Fan
E)   Not yet a Fan/Just giving Dream Theater a chance
F)   Not a fan, but like other Prog Rock
G)   Not a fan, and don’t like Prog Rock

Answer: A.  Became a fan during the summer of 1992.

Q2. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Falling Into Infinity’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: 1997.  It came out very close to my birthday.

Q3. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: I believe I picked it up on release day.

Q4. How many Dream Theater studio albums have you listened to? How many can you name (without checking through your music collection or the internet)?

Answer: All of them.  All of them.

Q5. Where would you rank ‘Falling Into Infinity’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer:  It’s in my top five, and gets better with each subsequent album they release.

Q6. Where would you rank ‘…Scenes from a Memory’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer:  When it came out, it was in my top 3 after Awake and Images and Words, but it hasn’t aged all that well with me.  Maybe middle of the pack now.

Q7. Which forum have you used to find and answer this questionnaire?

Answer: dreamtheaterforums.org

Q7. How long have you been a member of this forum?

Answer: Maybe a year or so?

Q8. How and When did you discover Dream Theater’s music? (i.e. In which year did you first hear their music, and which song/album was it?)

Answer: I became aware of DT thanks to Fates Warning, reading Kevin Moore’s name in the credits on Perfect Symmetry and James Labrie’s name in the credits on Parallels.  When I say they had an album out, I bought it.  By the time Metropolis and UAGM were finished playing, I was hooked!

Q9. In no more than 50 words, what do you think it takes for a musician or band to practice good Songwriting?

Answer: Practice.

Q10a. Do you think that a musician or band working with external songwriters and producers is a bad thing?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: In most instances, no.

Q10b. Why? (No more than 50 words)

Answer: See George Martin and the Beatles for when it can be good.  See Yes’ Union when it can go horribly awry.

Q11a. Were you aware that Dream Theater are a band that have worked with songwriters and producers in the past?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: Yes.

Q12. Can you give an example of a ‘bad’ Dream Theater song?
A) Yes
B) No

Answer: Yes.

Q12b. In no more than 50 words, which song was it, and why did you choose it? Or, conversely, in no more than 50 words, why do you think you’ve not heard a ‘bad’ song from Dream Theater yet/what is it about their repertoire that you consistently enjoy?

Answer: A Nightmare to Remember.  When I first heard Portnoy’s Cookie Monster vocals, I was real close to ejecting the CD and throwing out of my car window.  Plus, I think the song is bogged down by too much repetition of riffs and sections.

Q13a. Do you have an affinity for a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that released material in the 1990’s?

Answer: Yes.  Marillion, Porcupine Tree, Fates Warning, Queensryche (at least Promised Land), King Crimson, and more.

Q13b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you like about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer:  The balance of strong musicianship and great songwriting.

Q14a. Is there a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that you dislike?

Answer: Yes. Symphony X.

Q14b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you dislike about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer: I’m lactose intolerant.

Q15. Which genres of music would you say you find yourself listening to most of the time (please give two)?

Answer: Lately, jazz and progressive rock/metal.
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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2017, 12:30:18 PM »
I'm probably the only one that ranks FII above Scenes, right? I haven't met anybody else who agrees with me there.

Scorpion; If you wouldn't mind, come chat with me about what it is you like on FII.
1st hand accounts are good for the essay (due in soon), especially in defence of an album that has been 'slated' so regularly.

Equally, if anyone disliked SFaM, which I'm aware would be an unpopular opinion to voice, lets talk about it if you can.

DTR.

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2017, 01:44:47 PM »
Q1. Which of the following do you believe best describes your Dream Theater fanship (Please pick one)?
A)   Longtime Fan

Answer: Since 1992.

Q2. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Falling Into Infinity’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer: The day it was released in ’97.

Q3. When did you first hear the studio album ‘Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory’? Even if you can only remember which year it was.

Answer:When The day it was released in ’99.

Q4. How many Dream Theater studio albums have you listened to? How many can you name (without checking through your music collection or the internet)?

Answer:All of them.

Q5. Where would you rank ‘Falling Into Infinity’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: Fourth or Fifth among Portnoy-era albums.

Q6. Where would you rank ‘…Scenes from a Memory’ (in best-to-worst order) in your knowing list of Dream Theater studio albums?

Answer: Fourth or Fifth among Portnoy-era albums.

Q7. Which forum have you used to find and answer this questionnaire?

Answer: DTForums.org

Q7. How long have you been a member of this forum?

Answer: Since the change from DT.net

Q8. How and When did you discover Dream Theater’s music? (i.e. In which year did you first hear their music, and which song/album was it?)

Answer: Fall 1992 – “Pull Me Under” video on Headbanger’s Ball

Q9. In no more than 50 words, what do you think it takes for a musician or band to practice good Songwriting?

Answer: Write and Practice. Write and Practice. Write and Practice.

Q10a. Do you think that a musician or band working with external songwriters and producers is a bad thing?
B) No

Q10b. Why? (No more than 50 words)

Answer: Some bands out there can’t distance themselves from their own music and need an outside, objective ear.

Q11a. Were you aware that Dream Theater are a band that have worked with songwriters and producers in the past?
A) Yes

Q12. Can you give an example of a ‘bad’ Dream Theater song?
A) Yes

Answer: Prophets of War

Q12b. In no more than 50 words, which song was it, and why did you choose it? Or, conversely, in no more than 50 words, why do you think you’ve not heard a ‘bad’ song from Dream Theater yet/what is it about their repertoire that you consistently enjoy?

Answer: The album as a whole doesn’t do much for me.  I hate Mike’s high hat use in the song (disco feel in parts) and James’ falsetto parts.

Q13a. Do you have an affinity for a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that released material in the 1990’s?

Answer:Rush

Q13b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you like about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer:It’s Rush.  What’s not too like?!?

Q14a. Is there a particular other Progressive Rock or Progressive Metal act that you dislike?

Answer:Porcupine Tree

Q14b. If so, in no more than 50 words, describe what it is that you dislike about this Prog act (if not, leave blank).

Answer:I’ve never been able to get into any of Wilson’s music.

Q15. Which genres of music would you say you find yourself listening to most of the time (please give two)?

Answer: Metal and Classic Rock

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Offline romdrums

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Re: Do you prefer the 'Falling...' album, or 'Scenes...pt.2'?
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2017, 02:12:40 PM »
I'm probably the only one that ranks FII above Scenes, right? I haven't met anybody else who agrees with me there.

You're not the only one.  While I recognize what SFAM did for the band, I'd much rather listen to FII.
Less isn't more when it's all that you know.