MP's Shattered Fortress Tour

[bosk1]

Just a question, that I guess nobody has never asked or the band never adressed about: why Kevin Moore haven't any writting credit on ACoS and neither Derek on any part of SFaM?

Writing credits are a funny thing.  Based on my general knowledge of how things often go in bands, I am going to make a couple of educated guesses that it was one or a combination of the following:
(1)  Even though Kev played on the initial demo/live versions of ACOS and Derek played on the initial demo version of the SFAM instrumental, it could be that neither of them contributed substantially to the writing of either of those.  Or, based on how writing credit is done internally within the band, even if they did contribute somewhat, it might not have been enough for the band to consider giving them writing credit for it.
(2)  Sometimes, even if some initial ideas are from a certain band member and they subsequently leave the band before the song is finished, they might not get credit.  Depends on the band.  I'm not aware of DT doing that, but I can't rule it out.
(3)  It might be that they waived credit in their agreements when they left the band.

But, ultimately, we don't know.

[FOXAN03]

The moment we've been waiting for.... part 3

https://youtu.be/wLxqNFXKQtI

[devieira73]

Just a question, that I guess nobody has never asked or the band never adressed about: why Kevin Moore haven't any writting credit on ACoS and neither Derek on any part of SFaM?

Writing credits are a funny thing.  Based on my general knowledge of how things often go in bands, I am going to make a couple of educating guesses that it was one or a combination of the following:
(1)  Even though Kev played on the initial demo/live versions of ACOS and Derek played on the initial demo version of the SFAM instrumental, it could be that neither of them contributed substantially to the writing of either of those.  Or, based on how writing credit is done internally within the band, even if they did contribute somewhat, it might not have been enough for the band to consider giving them writing credit for it.
(2)  Sometimes, even if some initial ideas are from a certain band member and they subsequently leave the band before the song is finished, they might not get credit.  Depends on the band.  I'm not aware of DT doing that, but I can't rule it out.
(3)  It might be that they waived credit in their agreements when they left the band.

But, ultimately, we don't know.

Cool, Bosk, thanks! IMO it's hard to imagine that they, as keyboardists, they hadn't some substancial inputs on those epic songs (what Metropolis II was at the time). They seem a truly collaborative instrumental effort by all the band.

[RodrigoAltaf]

I remember Blaze Bayley complaining about not receiving writing credits for Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and a third song off Brave New World.

[Madman Shepherd]

I wonder if Derek got bought out. Meaning, Hey, you're out of the band. Anything we may have jammed on belongs to us but here's a nice check.

Mike said in, I think, Lifting Shadows that they were worried he would sue. So he didn't. I wonder if Derek just said "ok best of luck" and anything he may have had a hand in coming up with he figured there was no point in making an issue about it.

[KevShmev]

The Metropolis Part 2 jam was one of, what, six "songs" that didn't make it to FII, so I doubt Sherinian thought much of it would amount to anything, much less the genesis of what would become a huge record for them after his departure, so I doubt he had much thought to signing away co-writing rights to it.

[jammindude]

I remember Blaze Bayley complaining about not receiving writing credits for Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and a third song off Brave New World.

Finding out that Blood Brothers was written during the time period of VXI suddenly makes SO MUCH SENSE. 

SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE

[ReaperKK]

To me the most interesting tidbit from that interview was that he would consider reuniting with O.S.I. I was rather under the impression that, given his past comments about his experience with them, he would never be open to playing with Kevin Moore again.

...anyone see what I did there?   

The ball is in Kevin NoMoore's court.

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[RodrigoAltaf]

I remember Blaze Bayley complaining about not receiving writing credits for Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and a third song off Brave New World.

Finding out that Blood Brothers was written during the time period of VXI suddenly makes SO MUCH SENSE. 

SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE
SO MUCH SENSE

  well said!!!

[YtseJamittaja]

From live videos what I have seen Eric does really good job with this lineup. I could say he plays solos better than JP himself nowadays! He really is the right guy there!!

[FOXAN03]

The moment we've been waiting for.... part 3

https://youtu.be/wLxqNFXKQtI

As I expected doesn't reveal too much

[Setlist Scotty]

I wonder if Derek got bought out.

I can't remember where I might have heard anything to give me that impression, but I believe that this is the case for both Kevin and Derek.

[Stadler]

Anyone going tonight to the show in NY?

[axeman90210]

Anyone going tonight to the show in NY?

I'll be there as well as Nick, cram, milllahhh, I think I heard el barto was going to be in town. Was thinking of heading here beforehand, it's about half a mile from the venue.

https://barcadestmarks.com/

[As I Am]

Anyone going tonight to the show in NY?

Oh, I'll be there alright! Should be the absolute best Dream Theater show in 8 years!

[KevShmev]

Anyone going tonight to the show in NY?

Oh, I'll be there alright! Should be the absolute best Dream Theater show in 8 years!

Except that it's not Dream Theater playing, but keep up the good shtick!

[SwedishGoose]

Call it a covershow if you want, it's still a fantastic show

[Lethean]

I thought it was a great show.  Mike chose very well when he went with the Haken guys.  It was like a cover show, and I certainly missed JLB, and missed JP at times, but it was like a cover show done right.  They were totally prepared and of course the setlist was great and it was really cool to see.

[Ben_Jamin]

You know whats funny that I just thought about, Didn't MP say he didn't want to play ACoS because DT decided to do it and didn't want to have competition between the two?

Yet, here we are with someone in his own progressive metal band making it like a comptetition, "No cheese-wiz-botz" and the like.


If Shattered Fortress came closer this way, I would have went and saw it. But either way life happens and can't either way.

[axeman90210]

Anyone going tonight to the show in NY?

I'll be there as well as Nick, cram, milllahhh, I think I heard el barto was going to be in town. Was thinking of heading here beforehand, it's about half a mile from the venue.

https://barcadestmarks.com/

Leaving with Nick shortly, probably will be at Barcade for around 4pm.

[Hourglass Prison]

Anyone here go to the Shattered Fortress show last night? How was it?

[King Postwhore]

Anyone here go to the Shattered Fortress show last night? How was it?

Nick, Axeman & Cram all did.

[cramx3]

Anyone here go to the Shattered Fortress show last night? How was it?

It was really awesome.  I'll write up a review later today and will have video to share.

[antigoon]

I was there. Really fun show and I'm glad I went but about halfway through This Dying Soul I was just wishing they had played Scenes all the way through.

[millahh]

I was there. Really fun show and I'm glad I went but about halfway through This Dying Soul I was just wishing they had played Scenes all the way through.

Well shit, you could have joined for the group picture!

[Mebert78]

Great show last night!  I was kinda hoping they might pull out a Falling Into Infinity song in celebration of the album's 20th anniversary, but I'm getting greedy.  Also, Eric Gilette is not human!     

[Samsara]

Great show last night!  I was kinda hoping they might pull out a Falling Into Infinity song in celebration of the album's 20th anniversary, but I'm getting greedy.  Also, Eric Gilette is not human!   

I had hoped they would have too. I think Sons of Apollo will probably play a FII track in its set, however, at some point.

It's really a shame that Portnoy can't bring this all over the U.S. (I totally get why he can't). Besides you, Mike, I had a bunch of other friends there last night, and they all said it was amazing. That element DT has been missing...

[As I Am]

Simply INCREDIBLE performance last night! Not too mention the LOVE, ENERGY & PASSION that was in that room last night THIS is what is missing from DT since MP left. Not their fault per se since MP was the passionate one in the band and the one who brought the excitement! I give major props to Haken who absolutely NAILED everything, while Eric Gillette is inhuman!

A few times I would just look out through the crowd (from my great vantage point in the VIP deck) and see a sea of happy faces head banging, fist raising, singing loudly and loving every second of it!

I'd absolutely LOVE for MP and this band to tour again (maybe in 2/3 years) and deliver another completely different DT set list, because THIS is how DT music SHOULD be played LIVE!

Looking forward to the I&W show in November, but there's NO WAY it could possibly come close to matching the performance last night!

THANK YOU MP!!!!!!!!!!

[OpenYourEyes311]

I was there and it was awesome, as others have said. Loved the set (VERY Scenes heavy), and the band was incredible. Ross sounded great, Eric was perfect, the rest of the band never skipped a beat (except when they did... in Home, and MP had to recover - which he did quite nicely). My ONLY complaint was that with the setlist being what it was, the night FLEW by. Overture/Stange Deja Vu felt like one song... then Mirror... then 12Step... it was like it was over before it started. I was happy they did a 3-song encore, but even that went really quick.

Something I noticed on my way out (I hadn't looked at the setlist beforehand)... but the show was eerily similar the DT's 2014 tour. BTFW has Overture 1928, Strange Deja Vu, The Mirror, The Shattered Fortress, The Dance of Eternity, and Finally Free. I'm not complaining about it, and I get why those songs were played for both of those tours, but I just thought it was interesting, and not sure if anyone else had noticed it.

[Lethean]

As someone who has seen both the Shattered Fortress and the Images and Words show, I have to disagree.  But I suppose it depends on what you are looking for, and any show is certainly a different experience with MP behind the kit.  It really was great to see him doing that music again and starting it off with Scenes material made it really cool.  I was glad to have seen that show.  That having been said, it still wasn't DT and I'd prefer to have the DT guys doing their stuff.  This was great as a one off thing.

[Skeever]

I was there. Really fun show and I'm glad I went but about halfway through This Dying Soul I was just wishing they had played Scenes all the way through.

Your air keyboard expression strip was on point though

[MinistroRaven]

I was hoping to read that after the Scenes... songs MP presented the band and there appeared JP, JR, JLB and JM to perform the 12 steps with MP for one night only at NY

[Lethean]

That would be hard with DT being in Australia.

[Nick]

Guys, try to keep the Shattered Fortress stuff here. I'm leaving the MP thread open, but as long as the discussion is about this here, or Sons of Apollo in that thread no reason to have a third MP thread going on.

[MinistroRaven]

That would be hard with DT being in Australia.

Oh yes, I know, I was ony dreaming awaken