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MP's Shattered Fortress Tour
« on: January 01, 2017, 10:46:08 AM »
I'm curious as to how you all think the MP Shattered Fortress tour is going to go? I'm nervous for MP, and I don't know why. Certainly he'll have the talent level in musicians to pull it off, but I can't help but think that there is a slim margin there where it's going to sound and come off really great.....or it's going to be kind of campy? I don't know....very curious as to how it's going to go.
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2017, 10:54:44 AM »
I think that, aside from The Glass Prison, the whole thing is some of the worst music DT ever made. So I doubt it would come off any worse for me. And he'll definitely have high-level musicians. I just don't know how many people would really be interested in it. What size venues are they playing?

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2017, 11:11:46 AM »
As for size of the venues, he's playing some big prog festivals in Europe.

I'm more interested in who the rest of the band is than anything else though. Based on that I'll decide whether I think it will sound good (which it probably will).
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2017, 11:14:50 AM »
I'm glad the suite will be played, but it's probably going to come off as a DT cover band. A really good one probably, but still a cover band. MP has a lot of personality in his playing and sticks out in most of his musical projects, but after all that he is still the drummer. It will feel lacking without DT.

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2017, 11:17:28 AM »
.....or it's going to be kind of campy? 

It's MP, so of course it will be campy. I don't even mean that derogatorily.


I think it'll be cool. I think, in general, people should just relax and enjoy it for what it is. (not aimed at the OP)



I think that, aside from The Glass Prison, the whole thing is some of the worst music DT ever made. 

I love This Dying Soul. IMO, The Glass Prison is one of DT's worst aging songs. Just my opinion.
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2017, 11:28:18 AM »
I am sure he will get good musicians to play it, but the suite itself as a whole isn't that great, so I can't imagine it coming off that well.

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2017, 11:29:45 AM »
Are they playing more than the suite?

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2017, 11:38:20 AM »
This Dying soul is one of my favorite DT songs. Absolutely LOVE it. I also like glass prison.

The rest of the songs that are apart of the suite I don't care for at all.
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2017, 11:43:23 AM »
Also, do you guys think they'll play Repentance post-solo?

I know whenever they've played it live (be it DT or Flying Colors) they always ended it there.
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2017, 11:45:21 AM »
It will be awesome. Since Dream Theater all composed the music, there will be something just a tad off for me, but it will still be very enjoyable. I love MP's suite and it will be awesome to hear. :)

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2017, 11:45:53 AM »
Also, do you guys think they'll play Repentance post-solo?

I know whenever they've played it live (be it DT or Flying Colors) they always ended it there.
I'm interested to see how they do that transition in general. The other tracks are pretty straightforward and it isn't hard to find where the transitions are supposed to be. The transition from Repentance to Shattered Fortress is left a bit more ambiguous. There are a bunch of different directions they could go there.

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2017, 11:47:30 AM »
Also, do you guys think they'll play Repentance post-solo?

I know whenever they've played it live (be it DT or Flying Colors) they always ended it there.
I'm interested to see how they do that transition in general. The other tracks are pretty straightforward and it isn't hard to find where the transitions are supposed to be. The transition from Repentance to Shattered Fortress is left a bit more ambiguous. There are a bunch of different directions they could go there.

Agreed. But I think they will play the suite in entirety including the post Repentance solo since it's his major step in life.

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2017, 11:48:10 AM »
Also, do you guys think they'll play Repentance post-solo?

I know whenever they've played it live (be it DT or Flying Colors) they always ended it there.
I'm interested to see how they do that transition in general. The other tracks are pretty straightforward and it isn't hard to find where the transitions are supposed to be. The transition from Repentance to Shattered Fortress is left a bit more ambiguous. There are a bunch of different directions they could go there.

Yea, live for sure. I know when I made my super-edit of the studio versions, I did a cross from a fadeout of Repentance and the fade in for TSF, and it worked really well.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2017, 11:53:07 AM »
I am sure that when all of the legal stuff was sorted out when he left the band, Portnoy made sure he could use the apologies from fellow musicians in Repentance if he were ever to play the whole thing live like he is doing now, so I am sure those will be a part of it.

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2017, 11:53:56 AM »
I am sure that when all of the legal stuff was sorted out when he left the band, Portnoy made sure he could use the apologies from fellow musicians in Repentance if he were ever to play the whole thing live like he is doing now, so I am sure those will be a part of it.

Maybe, but then there's the 40 minutes of vocal harmonies that need to be perfect to work.
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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2017, 11:56:13 AM »


Maybe, but then there's the 40 minutes of vocal harmonies that need to be perfect to work.

Heh, true. I hope he is smart enough to not use the guy from Haken, like many have speculated he will.  He doesn't have the voice to pull off DT songs.

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« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2017, 12:07:18 PM »
I'm glad the suite will be played, but it's probably going to come off as a DT cover band. A really good one probably, but still a cover band. MP has a lot of personality in his playing and sticks out in most of his musical projects, but after all that he is still the drummer. It will feel lacking without DT.

Basically this.

Are they playing more than the suite?

When time allows, yes, it has been confirmed. Other songs Portnoy wrote lyrics for.

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2017, 02:15:30 PM »


Maybe, but then there's the 40 minutes of vocal harmonies that need to be perfect to work.

Heh, true. I hope he is smart enough to not use the guy from Haken, like many have speculated he will.  He doesn't have the voice to pull off DT songs.

Exactly. He's good for Haken, but that's all about it for me.

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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2017, 10:43:23 PM »
Yeah, I love Ross, but don't see him doing particularly well with a full set of Dream Theater material.

Just based on the festivals that they've booked together it's painfully obvious that at least one member of Haken will be a part of this. My strong money on who that will be is Diego. He's friends with both Jordan and Mike, can play the material, and can handle any of the off the wall instruments and such that Jordan has used for other material that might be played. Others I'm not so sure about, but I feel good about Diego on keys.

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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2017, 12:13:57 AM »
As I said somewhere else, I hope that he gets good musicians and that they don't try to play the suite note by note but with a different/personal interpretation. Then it could get really interesting.




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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 08:29:27 AM »
I think that, aside from The Glass Prison, the whole thing is some of the worst music DT ever made.

I actually think it could be an *excellent* epic if somebody (MP) sat down and curated the whole thing. There's fluff, there's repetition, if he cut that out it could be an awesome 30 minutes of music.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2017, 08:47:42 AM »
Glass Prison - Great
This Dying Soul - Good but goes on a bit
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2017, 08:54:12 AM »
I had a dream last night that I saw this band perform, and instrumentally at least they sounded spot on. Don't recall any vocals or who the other band members were as I was focusing on Mike.

I feel like if he managed to get Eric Gillette, Derek Sherinian, and idk, Tony Levin? They'd  be more than capable of getting the sound right.
As for vocals, no idea. Love him or hate him, James Labrie has a unique voice that's basically impossible to do an impression of.  But I think with this aggressive style of music  (the entire AA-Suite is more or less just heavy/thrash prog), Mike could use his friends in Metal Allegience? Mark Osegueda in particular. Maybe Russell Allen too (fingers crossed, lol). Are Mike and Russ still friends? Haven't heard much about the two of them talking since AMob.


I actually think it could be an *excellent* epic if somebody (MP) sat down and curated the whole thing. There's fluff, there's repetition, if he cut that out it could be an awesome 30 minutes of music.

The only problem here is that it's kind of important to include basically every single lyric and play all the repeating riffs in order to establish some continuity in the entire thing. Otherwise the reprises in Shattered Fortress (song) probably wont work.
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2017, 08:59:10 AM »
I think the reprises, when played back to back, are too much in its current form. I remember listening to the 12SS once, and there was a lot of "I just heard that riff a minute ago".
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2017, 09:10:23 AM »
It has the same problem of binge watching TV show compared versus watching one episode a week after it's being aired.

Seven years after it's cool to hear Shattered Fortress and remembering all the songs, but when you hear it all in a row, it's kinda repetitive. Even though I personally don't dislike the song.

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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2017, 10:55:40 AM »
I think the reprises, when played back to back, are too much in its current form. I remember listening to the 12SS once, and there was a lot of "I just heard that riff a minute ago".
Definitely. It's far, far too repetitive.

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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2017, 11:16:16 AM »
Yeah, I love Ross, but don't see him doing particularly well with a full set of Dream Theater material.

Just based on the festivals that they've booked together it's painfully obvious that at least one member of Haken will be a part of this. My strong money on who that will be is Diego. He's friends with both Jordan and Mike, can play the material, and can handle any of the off the wall instruments and such that Jordan has used for other material that might be played. Others I'm not so sure about, but I feel good about Diego on keys.
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2017, 12:35:48 PM »
Yeah, I love Ross, but don't see him doing particularly well with a full set of Dream Theater material.

Just based on the festivals that they've booked together it's painfully obvious that at least one member of Haken will be a part of this. My strong money on who that will be is Diego. He's friends with both Jordan and Mike, can play the material, and can handle any of the off the wall instruments and such that Jordan has used for other material that might be played. Others I'm not so sure about, but I feel good about Diego on keys.
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2017, 12:40:38 PM »
I was thinking about this the other day, about who MP would get to play, and I have to wonder - will the band be ONE band, or will they have multiple players swap about? For instance, he could get one guitarist for the show whole, or perhaps they trade off between songs? Then I started thinking about which guitarists MP could get, and Eric Gillette came to mind, with his JP-inspired sounds, but there's also Paul Gilbert, who has played with MP on various live shows to cover other bands (which this is basically a cover band), but there's also Tony MacAlpine from MP's PSMS project.

I figure MP might try and get Derek, though does Derek have the chops and sounds to keep up with Jordan's parts for those songs? I haven't heard Derek play in some years, so I'm not sure what he's up to.

As for bassists, MP knows a SLEW of them, all really good, so I'm not that concerned on that end.

My BIGGEST concern is who he'll get to sing, and this is where I wouldn't mind having multiple vocalists. Maybe one for each song, or perhaps, one for each of the 12 movements/steps of the suite? That would be interesting, since each movement has vocals in them.

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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2017, 12:45:57 PM »
Picking Derek to play all JR songs would be.....interesting and would do a lot to shut up his critics, I'd be good with it. I think he could keep up.

I hope he doesn't pick MacAlpine though. Just cannot get into that dude's tone. I doubt I'd even listen to what they do if he's a part of it.
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2017, 12:52:39 PM »
MP already confirmed (in a very classy way) that Derek won't be participating: http://worldprognation.com/be-prog-my-friend-to-feature-mike-portnoys-the-shattered-fortress/
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Re: Predictions for MP's Shattered Fortress Tour?
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2017, 12:54:14 PM »

My BIGGEST concern is who he'll get to sing, and this is where I wouldn't mind having multiple vocalists. Maybe one for each song, or perhaps, one for each of the 12 movements/steps of the suite? That would be interesting, since each movement has vocals in them.

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2017, 12:57:46 PM »
MP already confirmed (in a very classy way) that Derek won't be participating: http://worldprognation.com/be-prog-my-friend-to-feature-mike-portnoys-the-shattered-fortress/
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Thanks Mike ! We won't be playing any Adrenaline Mob covers on our I&W25 tour! :)