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Vote on the song you want to do for the DTF split screen project

Afterlife
0 (0%)
Pull Me Under
3 (7.9%)
Another Day
1 (2.6%)
6:00
2 (5.3%)
To Live Forever
0 (0%)
A Change Of Seasons
2 (5.3%)
Peruvian Skies
1 (2.6%)
Regression / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu
4 (10.5%)
Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy
2 (5.3%)
Beyond This Life
1 (2.6%)
Through Her Eyes
0 (0%)
Home
2 (5.3%)
The Dance Of Eternity
1 (2.6%)
One Last Time
0 (0%)
The Spirit Carries On
2 (5.3%)
Finally Free
2 (5.3%)
Solitary Shell / About To Crash Reprise
1 (2.6%)
Stream Of Consciousness
3 (7.9%)
The Root Of All Evil
5 (13.2%)
I Walk Beside You
0 (0%)
Dystopian Overture
3 (7.9%)
Chosen
1 (2.6%)
Begin Again
0 (0%)
Our New World
2 (5.3%)

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This is the updated version of this thread where members of the DTF Split-Screen Project voted on which song to do first. The only reason I'm remaking the thread is because the old one didn't allow you to vote more than once, while this one allows you to vote for 5 songs AND to have the ability change your vote.

This list is merely a list of every song (I think) that was suggested in the other thread. If you have an idea that isn't on the list, just let me know & I'll add it to the poll.  ;)

Current line-up:
Production - Darklord_Lalinc
Vocals - bosk1, DL
Backing Vocals - Elite, IDontNotDoThings
Guitar - home, Elite, Mosh*, Saurabh*, Serah Farron
Bass - IDNDT, Mosh*, SF
Keyboards - DL, home, Mosh*
Drums - SF

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(names mentioned more than once are acronyms)
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2016, 05:21:10 PM »
If we're doing top 5's, mine would be:
Pull Me Under
Regression / Overture 1928 / Strange Deja Vu
Stream Of Consciousness
The Root Of All Evil
Dytopian Overture (which I voted for)
Also, Our New World could be fun too.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2016, 05:50:28 PM »
I agree with your choices. It'd be fun to do Regression/Overture/Strange Deja Vu.

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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2016, 11:09:29 PM »
Cool.  So far, Root in the "lead."  But only 4 votes so far, so any other song could catch up.  I'll just throw this out there:  It's a great song, and probably a lot of fun to play.  But vocally, it isn't very dynamic.  Not nearly as much fun to song as some of the others.  That doesn't mean I won't want to do it.  I will.  But my preference would probably be for something more dynamic, vocally.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2016, 03:07:01 AM »
I voted:
A Change of Seasons
Regression / o'28 / SDV
The Dance of Eternity
SS / ATC (Reprise)
The Root of All Evil

I wouldbe fine with Pull Me Under & 6:00 as well.

All songs are songs I have played before and songs I can play on guitar.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2016, 03:08:39 AM »
Also, I believe home is primarily a keyboardist and he doesn't necessarily play guitar, but he'll have to confirm this.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2016, 04:05:20 AM »
Also, I believe home is primarily a keyboardist and he doesn't necessarily play guitar, but he'll have to confirm this.

He agreed to do some rhythm guitar but yes, he is primarily a keyboardist. I only put him first because he was the first guitarist to join.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD (Multiple Votes Edition)
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2016, 05:43:06 AM »
Also, I believe home is primarily a keyboardist and he doesn't necessarily play guitar, but he'll have to confirm this.
Confirming this, I mean I could do some rhythm guitar if needed but seeing as we have plenty of (way better) guitarists here, that shouldn't be necessary.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2016, 10:50:59 PM »
Okay, so since it seems no-one has voted in 2 or 3 days, I think it's safe to assume that everyone who wanted to vote has already done so. With that in mind, The Root Of All Evil is the winner for our first song! So if you haven't learnt that song, start. Deadline is New Years Eve, if anyone has a problem with this deadline, let me know.

Anyway, I was just about to set up a Dropbox team when I realised something... have we decided on an official name for the project yet? Personally I think "DTF Split-Screen Project" works fine, but I just wanted to check if anyone had any better names they wanted to share or for some reason had a problem with the current name. The name gets decided 17/12 (this Saturday) so that the Dropbox team is up for two weeks before the due date. Again, if anyone has any problems with these deadlines, let me know & we'll negotiate it.

Afterwards, the files will go to Darklord_Lalinc for the production/mixing stage. I don't know how long it takes to produce an already-recorded song so I'll hold off on setting a deadline for that (at least for now), but the video should be up to YouTube sometime in January 2017.

Speaking of this, I know Darklord_Lalinc was the audio producer, but do we have a designated video editor yet? Obviously with there being five (or more) of us recording per song, we aren't all going to fit on a four-panel screen, plus there's the mixing of takes, creating graphics, etc. so it isn't exactly like the video editing is any small task. If no-one else is willing to oblige, I'll happily take over video editing, but whoever is video editing would need to get documentation from Darklord about which takes he used for the final mix, & the editor will also need to get the final mix before beginning the editing process. Also they'll need an editing software that allows for multi-layering. I don't have an issue with piracy in this sense (especially since most editing softwares are ridiculously expensive), but just know that if I'm the editor in this case, I'll probably pirate the software.

But as for right now, we'll have to know who's going to be playing on this first song.
- The drummer is obviously going to be Serah.
- Bosk admitted to vocals being easy so it could be either bosk or Darklord for vocals.
- Keyboard could be either Darklord or home (though Darklord probably shouldn't take both keyboard AND lead vocals).
- Guitar is probably going to be Elite since Serah's already doing drums, Mosh & Saurabh haven't posted in the new threads yet & home only wanted to do guitar if needed.
- Bass will probably be me, since again, Serah's already doing drums & Mosh hasn't posted in the new thread yet.

As for recording, make sure your instrument  is at least somewhat professionally recorded with a decent mic & amp. Some lenience is allowed but remember that your instrument can't clash with the rest of the group too much. Also try to eliminate as much background noise as possible. For recording video, make sure you get an 16:9 camera that records at at least 30fps at at least a 360p video quality, but that's all I really have to say on that matter (aside from use a tripod & make sure you're in view). Just make sure it looks & sounds decent & you'll be fine.

Anyway, that's it for the update. Hope to see the you soon.  ;)

EDIT: & one more thing, I'm working on a click track now. It should be done in a few minutes & will definitely be on the Dropbox page at the time it goes live.

EDIT 2: Okay, nevermind on the click track, it's a lot more difficult than expected...
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 10:04:55 AM »
I will assume I am doing vocals unless Lalo says he plans to.  Just to clarify, what is the NYE deadline for?  Not for submitting tracks, right?  For vocals, at the very least, I need the scratch/click to be done to make sure I am timing everything correctly.  But the more ideal situation is to work from complete tracks, or at least tracks with all the main rhythm tracks done, if not most of the solos as well.  Makes it easier to pick up and play off of the different stylistic things that folks are doing.  Best if those other parts get recorded, and then Lalo can do a quick preliminary mix for me to use as my scratch track for doing the main vocal track.  Then we can add in any harmonies and backing tracks.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2016, 03:44:30 PM »
The deadline WAS supposed to be for submitting tracks, but if you (& everyone else) needs the click track & past performances to record, & suppose we can amend the process. The only problem with that is that it'll take longer. Supposedly you can still work on learning the song before getting the other tracks, so maybe there's an initial deadline for the first instrument's draft (probably drums), then everyone else's is a few days after the previous (in order Drums -> Bass -> Guitar -> Keyboard -> Vocals or something like that), then Darklord does the preliminary mix, then there's a final deadline for submitting final performances (including backups, harmonies,  etc.). Should that be enough time or should I increase it?

Anyway, Serah PM'd me about how she wasn't going to be able to get the drums done by the deadline, so until she gets things sorted out or until we find another drummer for the first song, the deadline is going to be delayed anyway.

I can work on the click track, but chances are it'll be timed beat-for-beat & not with a set BPM, because finding the exact BPM is a lot easier said than done, at least for me.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2016, 03:46:23 PM »
& on an unrelated note, it's 17/12 (at least in my time zone) & no-one's suggested an alternate name, so I'm keeping it as "DTF Split-Screen Project" for the Dropbox Team.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2016, 03:50:37 PM »
You don't need the BPM to be identical to the studio version. Just close enough. The guitarist should be setting the click to record scratch. Then the drummer can record to that, then guitars and bass to that etc.

You should also figure out recording software to make sending/recording this stuff more universal.

If it's on protools, I might be able to help with mixing or any of that stuff.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2016, 04:11:44 PM »
Would the BPM have to be perfectly constant though or just decent enough to play to, because I can't seem to get the BPM that fits the song for more than a few seconds. I was thinking about just tapping out the beat while listening to the song & organising the clicks around them.

I don't have Protools, but if it's free & decently easy to use, I could get behind using it to record.


Also, the Dropbox team is up, to join, either send an email to dtfsplitscreen@gmail.com (so I can add you by your email address) or just post you email address in the thread (not recommended). Also I think you need to get a Dropbox account before I can add you, but I'm not sure.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2016, 04:48:37 PM »
Well, we could also just use the official recording as our scratch track.  That would work as well, and then we wouldn't have to have a click.  We also would not necessarily have to have the drums recorded first. 

Question on vocals:  Would you guys prefer that I stick fairly closely to the original, or do my own take on the vocals?  I mean, I probably wouldn't deviate too much anyway, but it would be helpful to know what people are expecting.
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2016, 05:14:10 PM »
Well, we could also just use the official recording as our scratch track.  That would work as well, and then we wouldn't have to have a click.  We also would not necessarily have to have the drums recorded first. 

Question on vocals:  Would you guys prefer that I stick fairly closely to the original, or do my own take on the vocals?  I mean, I probably wouldn't deviate too much anyway, but it would be helpful to know what people are expecting.

It'd be interesting to hear you try your own take. Maybe you can try that first and as we hear it, we can give input and feedback and you can decide from there. Will you adding those vocal effects James Labrie uses when singing Root?

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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. 1st song is TROAE, deadline 31/12
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2016, 06:46:56 PM »
Well, we could also just use the official recording as our scratch track.  That would work as well, and then we wouldn't have to have a click.  We also would not necessarily have to have the drums recorded first. 

Apologies for not answering (I was intending to later but then forgot), but to answer your question, using the original song WAS what I thought we were going to do with each of our tracks. The obvious problem with that being that there's less chemistry between band members & some performances might clash due to differing interpretations. Of course, those are just hypotheticals, so if we wanted to, we COULD try out that method, but it's no guarantee that it's going to turn out well, which is what I thought you were implying when you said you needed the click track.

Question on vocals:  Would you guys prefer that I stick fairly closely to the original, or do my own take on the vocals?  I mean, I probably wouldn't deviate too much anyway, but it would be helpful to know what people are expecting.

I'd suggest doing multiple takes for different ideas. Like I said, different ideas are going to fit better than others, but I'd say that if we knew specifically, we'd be able to get a more accurate judgement (& if not we at least have the faithful-to-original take).
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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. Setting up to record TROAE
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2017, 02:36:45 AM »
Okay, so no-one's posted in this thread for a long time, so my first assumptions would be that either A) people aren't sure what the state of the actual first song is, B) they've already recorded tracks but don't know where to upload them, or C) they actually don't have time &/or haven't gotten the song fully learnt yet.

A) In the case of the first one (which is probably most likely, admittedly my fault), I'd say first recordings we do, use the actual song as the backing track, & record yourself playing along to the song while listening to it with headphone (obviously headphones that won't be picked up by microphones are preferable). Then once we have all our individual tracks, we can record again based on each others tracks, which will ideally leave room for more chemistry between between each of our tracks. Either way, we'll start first tracks based on the original song's track & then work our way up to that point.

B) If by the off-chance that anyone's actually finished recording but doesn't know where/how to upload the files, we're doing file uploads via a Dropbox Team that I've created. I can add people to the team in two ways (the former I'm unsure about). You can just post your Dropbox username in this thread & I might be able to add you that way, but I'm not sure about it. If you want me to invite you to the team via e-mail  (which by the looks of it, I might have to), send an email to dtfsplitscreen@gmail.com. The email can be literally anything because I'll get your email address either way, but just make sure I know your DTF name so I know who's invited in the team & who isn't. From there, I'll send you an email invite & then you should be able to join the team.

C) If you just haven't had enough time, there's not much I can do to help you other than give you more time to do it. I'm not going to introduce another deadline JUST yet (because we're still setting up & I don't know how long it's going to take), which is why I'm removing the original deadline from the thread title, but try to get everything sorted ASAP because I don't want this to take any longer than it needs to.

As for me, I've mostly nailed the song in practice (apart from 5:28-5:35, which I have no idea how to do & I'm not even sure has the part bass to begin with), but my microphone is in a weird state where I'm not sure if it works or not (I'm fairly certain it's just my computer not recognising it being plugged in, but I don't know how to set it up on another computer), so it may be a few days before you see my tracks.

In other news, my question about video editing has been unanswered, so I'll assume I'm taking that role unless someone else openly says  that they want to edit.

& likewise, it doesn't appear anyone's had any objections to the line-up, so unless anyone has any now, this will be the line-up of the first song:
Vocals: bosk1 / Guitar: Elite / Keyboard: Darklord_Lalinc or home / Bass: me / Drums: Serah Farron

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Re: DTF Split-Screen Project POLL THREAD+ v. Setting up to record TROAE
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2017, 02:40:00 AM »
Oh yeah, & if anyone's wondering whether they should remain faithful to the original or try to give their own take on the song, my advice would be along the lines of this:

Well, we could also just use the official recording as our scratch track.  That would work as well, and then we wouldn't have to have a click.  We also would not necessarily have to have the drums recorded first. 

Question on vocals:  Would you guys prefer that I stick fairly closely to the original, or do my own take on the vocals?  I mean, I probably wouldn't deviate too much anyway, but it would be helpful to know what people are expecting.

It'd be interesting to hear you try your own take. Maybe you can try that first and as we hear it, we can give input and feedback and you can decide from there. Will you adding those vocal effects James Labrie uses when singing Root?
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