Strictly speaking production-wise, I don't think TOT and 8vm deserve A's - TOT just sounds over compressed and doesn't have any breathing room, while 8vm suffers the same fate as ADTOE and lacks any low end or punch.
Agree on TOT. Some of Mike's octobans on that album sound distorted, like they started clipping or something and they never fixed it. Just listen to the entire album and you'll see/hear what I'm talking about
The mix in 8V doesn't bother me, but I don't really like the album that much, so I don't really care
Hmm, I haven't fully grasped the concept of how producers and co producers work.
Are they in charge setting the order of the songs and recording all the instruments from the sound system?
Depending on the band/album/producer/etc, the role of the producer will be different. The best way I can say it is: The producer has the job of getting the best performance out of the band, decides how the song structures should go (for the most part), could help with the songwriting, oversees arrangements, tone, etc. Works with everybody involved (band, engineers,session players, mixers, etc) to get the best out of everybody.
When I was taking music production classes at the university, the teacher (a very good and known producer in my counrty) told us a story about how Phil Spector (the guy who produced the Beatles album Let it Be) was producing a Ramones record and the guitarist couldn't get the part right, so he entered the recording room with a gun, pointed it to his head and said "you get ir right or I'll shoot you". Well, he got it right and that was the track they used