Portnoy - where is his prog metal band?

[BlobVanDam]

The only song I'd expect DT to intentionally avoid due to being personal to MP would be TBOT, and it's not a song I'd expect them to play regardless. Nothing from the 12SS would surprise me.

[rumborak]

I suspect the lack of TGP is due to JP. Of all the songs that I played live in my DT tribute band back in the day, TGP stood out because it was insanely tiring. All other DT songs had nice resting periods in sections, but TGP has very few. There's a solo towards the end that I could play with ease when rested, but by the time you get to it in the song, you're bound to do a sloppy job.

[Adami]

I also doubt they'll play Repentance. Not because of Portnoy, but because it hasn't gone over too well with fans (even though it's my favorite off the album).

[gzarruk]

I also doubt they'll play Repentance. Not because of Portnoy, but because it hasn't gone over too well with fans (even though it's my favorite off the album).

Repentance and TGP are my favorites from the 12SS, hope they play them both again in the future.

[Kotowboy]

I suspect the lack of TGP is due to JP. Of all the songs that I played live in my DT tribute band back in the day, TGP stood out because it was insanely tiring. All other DT songs had nice resting periods in sections, but TGP has very few. There's a solo towards the end that I could play with ease when rested, but by the time you get to it in the song, you're bound to do a sloppy job.

The arpeggios at the start are so fast. They're not even smack-bang on the beat on the actual album.

[BlobVanDam]

I suspect the lack of TGP is due to JP. Of all the songs that I played live in my DT tribute band back in the day, TGP stood out because it was insanely tiring. All other DT songs had nice resting periods in sections, but TGP has very few. There's a solo towards the end that I could play with ease when rested, but by the time you get to it in the song, you're bound to do a sloppy job.

The arpeggios at the start are so fast. They're not even smack-bang on the beat on the actual album.

True that. JP does lag a little behind the beat if you listen closely, and the timing isn't spot on 32nds (or whatever it is there), sometimes little triplets creep in with some duplicated notes.
They were never perfect live even at the time (especially with live tempo), so I wouldn't expect it to be flawless now either. I don't mind though, I'd still love to hear it, and appreciate how much of a monster that song is to pull off.

[noxon]

And these reasons are the same reason I'm skeptical of the whole Shattered Fortress thing. It's an one hour onslaught of high tempo, highly complex music with very little downtime other than Repentance. And the covers i have seen from the MP bands thus far has been very underwhelming (PSMS and Metal Allegiance). And thats on tracks with far less complexity (stuff even I could play).

If JP cant play this live properly, how the hell is a cover band supposed to?

[bobs23]

But MP has the option of using multiple musicians.

[hefdaddy42]

But MP has the option of using multiple musicians.

Indeed.  He has lots of friends, he can use multiple guitarists throughout the suite (even  within the same song).

[noxon]

Well, take into consideration that this is supposed to be a band that can travel as well.

[devieira73]

My guess is that the band will have 2 guitars, to make a richer live arrangement and to give some "rest" to one of them while the other is playing a harder part.

[hefdaddy42]

Well, take into consideration that this is supposed to be a band that can travel as well.

I thought they were only doing two performances.

Maybe I missed something (not unlikely).

[noxon]

Three have been announced thus far, with more coming...

[gzarruk]

Well, take into consideration that this is supposed to be a band that can travel as well.

I thought they were only doing two performances.

Maybe I missed something (not unlikely).

I think they announced 4: The cruise, Prog Power, Night of the Prog and Be Prog. My Friend. So it's probably going to be just one set of musicians for all the 12SS/DT songs they decide to play.

[CrimsonSunrise]

Interesting, yet not surprising comment from Mike on his FB page regarding the Mexico City gig...

Mike Portnoy :  There's no guarantee I'll be filming these...and even if I was, I can't guarantee I can even release it without DT's consent...
These are once in a lifetime shows...catch em while you can!

[mikeyd23]

Interesting, yet not surprising comment from Mike on his FB page regarding the Mexico City gig...

Mike Portnoy :  There's no guarantee I'll be filming these...and even if I was, I can't guarantee I can even release it without DT's consent...
These are once in a lifetime shows...catch em while you can!

That sounds about right. I mean no one outside of the band and the band's management really knows what the details of the separation were, but I'd imagine that if Mike were to play songs that were written by "Dream Theater" and sell those songs as a live DVD, he'd need the permission of Dream Theater to do so. Now whether they would give him permission or not is an interesting question...

[hefdaddy42]

Interesting, yet not surprising comment from Mike on his FB page regarding the Mexico City gig...

Mike Portnoy :  There's no guarantee I'll be filming these...and even if I was, I can't guarantee I can even release it without DT's consent...
These are once in a lifetime shows...catch em while you can!

Not sure it's interesting or surprising.  It's just the legal truth.  You can't sell your performance of material without the permission of the copyright holder.

I don't necessarily think that DT would withhold consent, but that consent would still have to be sought by MP before any recording could be released.  Same thing with DT releasing their cover performances through Ytsejam Records - they had to get the consent of Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, and Metallica.

[Kwyjibo]

Mike released Repentance with Flying Colors on their first live CD. Probably DT has given permission then and I think they will for future releases. Why shouldn't they?

[hefdaddy42]

Mike released Repentance with Flying Colors on their first live CD. Probably DT has given permission then and I think they will for future releases. Why shouldn't they?

I don't think they would.  It's just another hoop that would have to be jumped through.

Honestly, he probably would have been better off just to say the performances probably won't be filmed.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Interesting, yet not surprising comment from Mike on his FB page regarding the Mexico City gig...

Mike Portnoy :  There's no guarantee I'll be filming these...and even if I was, I can't guarantee I can even release it without DT's consent...
These are once in a lifetime shows...catch em while you can!

Prepare for the facebook MPWarrior attack:
Those guys in DT are so mean!! You are the best!! They should let you do whatever you want with those songs because they are YOURS!!

Note: I really don't have anything against the Shattered Fortress. As noxon said, I'm a little bit doubtful of how it will turn out but it's a cool idea nevertheless, but his hardcore fans have a very special talent to make MP look good and make the rest of DT look bad in any given situation lol.

[Kwyjibo]

Honestly, he probably would have been better off just to say the performances probably won't be filmed.

Yeah, this.

[gzarruk]

Interesting, yet not surprising comment from Mike on his FB page regarding the Mexico City gig...

Mike Portnoy :  There's no guarantee I'll be filming these...and even if I was, I can't guarantee I can even release it without DT's consent...
These are once in a lifetime shows...catch em while you can!

Prepare for the facebook MPWarrior attack:
Those guys in DT are so mean!! You are the best!! They should let you do whatever you want with those songs because they are YOURS!!

Note: I really don't have anything against the Shattered Fortress. As noxon said, I'm a little bit doubtful of how it will turn out but it's a cool idea nevertheless, but his hardcore fans have a very special talent to make MP look good and make the rest of DT look bad in any given situation lol.

Yep, that's why I stopped following Mike's fb page months ago. However, Mike's comments are the ones who add fuel to the fire in the first place. As said by hef, he should've just said "I don't think they'll be filmed", but no, Mikey always has to include the "don't know if they'll allow me to do it", and bam! all the MP fanboys are triggered

[gzarruk]

Btw, about the Mexico show, the other bands playing are his son's band (Next to None) and Haken, just those two bands. I think this isn't just a coincidence, my bet is that MP's Shattered Fortress has, at least, one member of Haken. Most likely Diego Tejeida.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Btw, about the Mexico show, the other bands playing are his son's band (Next to None) and Haken, just those two bands. I think this isn't just a coincidence, my bet is that MP's Shattered Fortress has, at least, one member of Haken. Most likely Diego Tejeida.

I would love to hear Ross Jennings sing those songs.

[noxon]

DT couldn't stop a release of a live recording of those tracks even if they wanted to. All music publishing rights are signed off to BMI/ASCAP and for that reason anyone can release a live recording as long as they pay BMI/ASCAP the money for royalties for using those songs. I know this because i've done it - with DT material that contained non-DT tracks/pieces of. I just wrote a list of the music i was using - including DTs, and paid the copyright, and that was that.

[gzarruk]

Btw, about the Mexico show, the other bands playing are his son's band (Next to None) and Haken, just those two bands. I think this isn't just a coincidence, my bet is that MP's Shattered Fortress has, at least, one member of Haken. Most likely Diego Tejeida.

I would love to hear Ross Jennings sing those songs.

Would love it too. The version of The Mirror they did with MP was great.
However, I think he'll go with another vocalist, someone similar to Russell Allen, I guess.

DT couldn't stop a release of a live recording of those tracks even if they wanted to. All music publishing rights are signed off to BMI/ASCAP and for that reason anyone can release a live recording as long as they pay BMI/ASCAP the money for royalties for using those songs. I know this because i've done it - with DT material that contained non-DT tracks/pieces of. I just wrote a list of the music i was using - including DTs, and paid the copyright, and that was that.

Well, maybe it's a condition they gave him after he quit the band, and he had to agree. It's either that, or Mike just said it to make a more dramatic "come to see it or you'll regret it" vibe (while also triggering his MP warriors at the same time)

[mikeyd23]

DT couldn't stop a release of a live recording of those tracks even if they wanted to. All music publishing rights are signed off to BMI/ASCAP and for that reason anyone can release a live recording as long as they pay BMI/ASCAP the money for royalties for using those songs. I know this because i've done it - with DT material that contained non-DT tracks/pieces of. I just wrote a list of the music i was using - including DTs, and paid the copyright, and that was that.

If that's the case, then MP would know that. If MP knows that, why on earth would he answer that question on FB that way?

[bosk1]

Well, what Noxon said is basically true as to the general rule of law.  But in practice, this sort of thing can get much, much more messy.  Bands, labels, etc. do file lawsuits over this kind of thing.  It ends up being more nuanced sometimes, and can be an expensive and time-consuming proposition to litigate, even though those kinds of lawsuits don't end up going anywhere.  I say all that just to say that Mike is not a lawyer and may very well NOT know all the rules and legal nuances.  There are lots of things to fault him for, but this comment isn't really one of them.

[mikeyd23]

Oh I'm not trying to say Mike was at fault here, I'm kinda just curious. I wouldn't expect Mike to know legal nuances, but knowing his personality I'd bet that as soon as he put this project together, he thought about filming it and releasing it, that's a very Mike thing to do (and a great idea). So I guess I figured he would have asked his legal counsel or looked into it already, purely speculation on my part. Like I said though, I'm not trying to say he's at fault, just more curious than anything else.

[gzarruk]

Oh I'm not trying to say Mike was at fault here, I'm kinda just curious. I wouldn't expect Mike to know legal nuances, but knowing his personality I'd bet that as soon as he put this project together, he thought about filming it and releasing it, that's a very Mike thing to do (and a great idea). So I guess I figured he would have asked his legal counsel or looked into it already, purely speculation on my part. Like I said though, I'm not trying to say he's at fault, just more curious than anything else.

Plus, he has already recorded and released live albums with Flying Colors and PSMS, each containing at least one DT song, so he should already know if he's allowed, or not, to put out DT material with another band. Maybe the conditions change if the album has only DT songs, but I don't think the case would be that much different.

[Madman Shepherd]

Well, what Noxon said is basically true as to the general rule of law.  But in practice, this sort of thing can get much, much more messy.  Bands, labels, etc. do file lawsuits over this kind of thing.  It ends up being more nuanced sometimes, and can be an expensive and time-consuming proposition to litigate, even though those kinds of lawsuits don't end up going anywhere.  I say all that just to say that Mike is not a lawyer and may very well NOT know all the rules and legal nuances.  There are lots of things to fault him for, but this comment isn't really one of them.

You guys seem to know much more about this than me but keep in mind Slash was prevented from releasing a live album in the US because it had GNR songs.  For some reason he was able to release it in Europe but not here. 

Oh I'm not trying to say Mike was at fault here, I'm kinda just curious. I wouldn't expect Mike to know legal nuances, but knowing his personality I'd bet that as soon as he put this project together, he thought about filming it and releasing it, that's a very Mike thing to do (and a great idea). So I guess I figured he would have asked his legal counsel or looked into it already, purely speculation on my part. Like I said though, I'm not trying to say he's at fault, just more curious than anything else.

Plus, he has already recorded and released live albums with Flying Colors and PSMS, each containing at least one DT song, so he should already know if he's allowed, or not, to put out DT material with another band. Maybe the conditions change if the album has only DT songs, but I don't think the case would be that much different.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it is marketed exclusively on the back of Dream Theater. 

[Viking of the Sagas]

No idea if MP wants another prog band gig. To be honest, I did have the thought occur to me after he left DT that Mike was intentionally avoiding prog bands for a time. But it seems that that feeling wasn't founded on anything else than a hunch, he seems perfectly happy just doing his thing.

[Dreamer]

Answer: Lee-Lifeson-Portnoy.

[Bertielee]

Answer: Lee-Lifeson-Peartnoy.

FYI. 

B.Lee

[KevShmev]

Answer: Lee-Lifeson-Portnoy.

No.