DT to play the whole I&W in full next year!

[cramx3]

Bosk, that's an amazing way you managed to reveal that You Not Me, Raw Dog, A Nightmare to Remember, Far From Heaven, Two Far, The Answer Lies Within, Take Away My Pain and Anna Lee would all be included in the set and that they'd open with The Ministry of Lost Souls! Thanks for finally confirming them!

No problem.  All it takes is just some reading between the lines, right?

Lines in the Sand! The FII song!! 

[Samsara]

 

[Mosh]

There are a few ADTOE songs I'd prefer over BAI, but I won't complain since it is good live. Comes off much better than the album version. Will be even better if they're not doing click tracks.

[gzarruk]

Gah not BAI again. Wouldve preffered anything else from ADTOE bar that (and OTBOA) 

Honestly, I'm of the same mindset. Mix it up instead of playing the same thing again. Unless they were to change the song up, which I'd love to see them do - something that's been severely lacking since MP left the band.

Why would they change a perfect song? 

[cramx3]

Gah not BAI again. Wouldve preffered anything else from ADTOE bar that (and OTBOA) 

Honestly, I'm of the same mindset. Mix it up instead of playing the same thing again. Unless they were to change the song up, which I'd love to see them do - something that's been severely lacking since MP left the band.

Why would they change a perfect song? 

I'd be cool with an extended guitar solo by JP during the soft part

[RaiseTheKnife]

Gah not BAI again. Wouldve preffered anything else from ADTOE bar that (and OTBOA) 

Honestly, I'm of the same mindset. Mix it up instead of playing the same thing again. Unless they were to change the song up, which I'd love to see them do - something that's been severely lacking since MP left the band.

Why would they change a perfect song? 

Learning to Break All Illusions:  Mash-up that inserts LTL instrumental parts into the complimentary sections of BAI.

[SkiFiX]

My idea of the setlist for the next tour:

Breaking All Illusions
The Dark Eternal Night
Through my words
Fatal Tragedy
Lines in the Sand
A Bigger Picture
Astonishing tracks
----
Images and words
----
A Change of Seasons

Maybe they could add The Spirit carries on, Wither or As I Am to the set.. but i hope they don't. .

[MirrorMask]

I'm all for Wither, I never heard it live! actually I skipped the Black Clouds tour and so I only ever heard A Rite of Passage and Shattered Fortress.

[McNugg]

I hope This is the Life makes the setlist.  Love that song.

[ToT-147]

I'm all for Wither, I never heard it live! actually I skipped the Black Clouds tour and so I only ever heard A Rite of Passage and Shattered Fortress.

You mean TSF and TCoT.. ARoP wasn't played except in the BC&SL tour and TCoT was played in the A Dramatic Tour of Events... Well, and Wither was also played in the 30th anniversary tour..

[Setlist Scotty]

Gah not BAI again. Wouldve preffered anything else from ADTOE bar that (and OTBOA) 

Honestly, I'm of the same mindset. Mix it up instead of playing the same thing again. Unless they were to change the song up, which I'd love to see them do - something that's been severely lacking since MP left the band.

Why would they change a perfect song? 

Because sometimes the song isn't as perfect as you might think!      Learning to Live is by far my favorite DT song of all time, but I loved it when they made some changes to the song in 1996 and then again in 2005/2006. The same with The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Scarred. And for other songs that I'm not that big a fan of, it can elevate them to something much better - perfect examples of that are Hollow Years and Metropolis (yes, I'm not a big fan of Metropolis).

I'm definitely of the mindset that I like to see bands change up some of their songs live, whether they are songs I love or hate, just because it makes them new and interesting.

[MirrorMask]

I'm all for Wither, I never heard it live! actually I skipped the Black Clouds tour and so I only ever heard A Rite of Passage and Shattered Fortress.

You mean TSF and TCoT.. ARoP wasn't played except in the BC&SL tour and TCoT was played in the A Dramatic Tour of Events... Well, and Wither was also played in the 30th anniversary tour..

A Rite of Passage was played in the summer festivals before the album release, which I have attented.
The Count of Tuscany was played before the release of Dramatic... and I missed it.
And Wither was played in the anniversary tour... which I missed again.

[fadetoblackdude7]

I caught the BC&SL tour when they played ANTR, AROP and TCOT. That was the last show I saw with MP.

[MirrorMask]

I saw them basically every time they passed around here, and I had seen then in the summer of 2009, so when they returned in Autumn with the Progressive Nation package, I said to myself "Well, I've already seen them some times, this time around they will play a lot less, I don't like any of the other bands on the bill... guess I'll survive if for once I don't see them".

And this is what they played:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2009/mediolanum-forum-di-assago-assago-italy-4bd7d33a.html

That setlist is made up of songs I still haven't heard live, or that I would have to wait forever to hear again, such as The Mirror. And some SFAM which never hurts. Now I wish I had gone to that gig!

[Setlist Scotty]

I know how you feel MM. Had I known that there would not be a headlining tour in 2010, that MP would leave the band and that would be the end of the rotating setlists, I would've gone to multiple ProgNation shows in 2008 and 2009. I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

[RaiseTheKnife]

I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

I went to the Roseland gig in hopes they would add Wither to the headline shows, which they did AFTER Portland!  I think the only thing you missed Scotty was the demo version of Hollow Years with the extra pre-chorus, it otherwise didn't deviate from their usual setlist that touring cycle.

[DragonAttack]

Less than a week to find out ....how good Bosk is at keeping secrets, how totally wrong I was as to my wish set list, and......how good it might all turn out.

Can't wait.

[Cool Chris]

I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

That show was amazing. More than worth the drive from Seattle. In fact, that IM/DT show the next night was a big of a let-down coming on the heels on that show.

[mikeyd23]

I saw DT twice on that IM opening tour. Saw them open for IM in Pittsburgh, and made the decision to travel to Columbus for one of those one-off headlining nights. So glad I did, obviously at the time, I had no idea it was my last chance to see MP with DT but since it was, looking back on it, I'm so glad I went.

Killer set for that Columbus show too, small little sweaty venue:

A Nightmare to Remember
Constant Motion
Hollow Years
The Mirror
Lie
A Rite of Passage
Home
Panic Attack
As I Am
Pull Me Under
Metropolis Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper

Encore:
The Count of Tuscany

[Setlist Scotty]

I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

I went to the Roseland gig in hopes they would add Wither to the headline shows, which they did AFTER Portland!  I think the only thing you missed Scotty was the demo version of Hollow Years with the extra pre-chorus, it otherwise didn't deviate from their usual setlist that touring cycle.

While I didn't go see multiple shows on the PN09 leg, I did catch the show at the Greek, so I did manage to see the most of the tracks that were significant on that tour (ANtR, ARoP, TCoT, PoW, HYears '09, SShell '09) plus the super extended BTL. I had forgotten that Wither was not part of the Portland show, which obviously is a bummer, especially since you went to that show hoping to see it.  Ah well - given the shows you and I have seen, especially compared to some of the newer fans, I don't think either of us can complain. 

[bosk1]

I know how you feel MM. Had I known that there would not be a headlining tour in 2010, that MP would leave the band and that would be the end of the rotating setlists, I would've gone to multiple ProgNation shows in 2008 and 2009. I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

Yeah, same here.  I wasn't a Maiden fan at the time, so no strong urge to see them on the Maiden tour.  And PN has never really been my thing.  I was holding out for the BCSL proper headlining tour that never happened in the U.S.  Oh well.

Less than a week to find out ....how good Bosk is at keeping secrets, how totally wrong I was as to my wish set list, and......how good it might all turn out.

Can't wait.

Yup, we will all know soon.  And, for me, I'm sure there may even be a song or two on the set list where I am like, "Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that one."    There have been some really good guesses on some of the set lists.  I don't think anyone has gotten it 100%, but there are plenty that are close.

[Schurftkut]

@bosk could you at least spoil "the 6doit song" that they'll play?

[pcs90]

Because sometimes the song isn't as perfect as you might think!      Learning to Live is by far my favorite DT song of all time, but I loved it when they made some changes to the song in 1996 and then again in 2005/2006. The same with The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Scarred. And for other songs that I'm not that big a fan of, it can elevate them to something much better - perfect examples of that are Hollow Years and Metropolis (yes, I'm not a big fan of Metropolis).

I'm definitely of the mindset that I like to see bands change up some of their songs live, whether they are songs I love or hate, just because it makes them new and interesting.

I completely agree. I love it when DT changes up a song from the studio version. A recent example is the intro jam to Trial of Tears that they started towards the end of the DT12 tour.
Curious though, what changes were made to LTL in 1996? I know of the changes in 2005-06, and of course the SFAM tour version, but can't remember any others.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I was at the NAMM Show last week and I got to play Jordan Rudess' Kronos keyboard in which he played Tarkus and there were a lot of DT patches loaded which may (or may not) be indication of the songs that will be performed.

[devieira73]

Because sometimes the song isn't as perfect as you might think!      Learning to Live is by far my favorite DT song of all time, but I loved it when they made some changes to the song in 1996 and then again in 2005/2006. The same with The Killing Hand, Lines in the Sand and Scarred. And for other songs that I'm not that big a fan of, it can elevate them to something much better - perfect examples of that are Hollow Years and Metropolis (yes, I'm not a big fan of Metropolis).

I'm definitely of the mindset that I like to see bands change up some of their songs live, whether they are songs I love or hate, just because it makes them new and interesting.

I completely agree. I love it when DT changes up a song from the studio version. A recent example is the intro jam to Trial of Tears that they started towards the end of the DT12 tour.
Curious though, what changes were made to LTL in 1996? I know of the changes in 2005-06, and of course the SFAM tour version, but can't remember any others.

https://youtu.be/w3GIKNzpJcI
At 1:51:15. I loved this different solo too!

[RaiseTheKnife]

I even would've traveled with my buddy Bob to go see them do a headlining gig in Oregon in 2010. Definitely something I regret now.

I went to the Roseland gig in hopes they would add Wither to the headline shows, which they did AFTER Portland!  I think the only thing you missed Scotty was the demo version of Hollow Years with the extra pre-chorus, it otherwise didn't deviate from their usual setlist that touring cycle.

Ah well - given the shows you and I have seen, especially compared to some of the newer fans, I don't think either of us can complain. 

True, we have been fortunate    Plus, I still think there is a chance that Wither will get a proper rotation in some future U.S. tour.

[erwinrafael]

I was at the NAMM Show last week and I got to play Jordan Rudess' Kronos keyboard in which he played Tarkus and there were a lot of DT patches loaded which may (or may not) be indication of the songs that will be performed.

Do spill. 

[the keyboard wizard]

I was at the NAMM Show last week and I got to play Jordan Rudess' Kronos keyboard in which he played Tarkus and there were a lot of DT patches loaded which may (or may not) be indication of the songs that will be performed.

We want...information, information. By hook or by crook we will (get it)!!!

[noxon]

James: - Haha, ja! Vi skal selvsagt ikke bare spille låter fra «I&W», det blir to set i løpet av kvelden, med en pause i mellom.
NRM: - Har dere setlista klar?
James: - Ja, første del blir låter fra hele vår karriere, og andre del blir hele «I&W» i rekkefølge. Og en overraskelse på ekstranumre.
NRM: - Kommer dere til å variere setlista, eller blir det akkurat de samme låtene hver kveld på hele turnéen?
James: - I utgangspunktet kjører vi samme hovedsett hver kveld, men vi kommer kanskje til å endre litt på ekstranumrene nå og da, men ikke hver kveld.
NRM: - Dere har jo såpass dedikerte fans at mange av oss kommer til å se mer enn en konsert på turneen.
James: - Ja, jeg vet, og det har vi alltid i bakhodet. I første sett kommer vi derfor ikke bare til å spille låter som fansen ikke har hørt på en god stund, men det er også noen låter som vi aldri har spilt live før. Og så vil vi selvsagt avslutte kvelden med et massivt epos. Det kommer uansett til å bli en spesiell og minneverdig aften for fansen.

-James: - Haha, yes! We will of course not only play songs from "I & W", it will be two sets during the evening, with a break in between.
NRM: - Is the setlist ready?
James: - Yes, the first part will be songs from our entire career, and the second part is the whole "I & W" in order. And a surprise as the encore.
NRM: - Will you vary the setlist, or is it just the same songs every night for the whole tour?
James: - Basically, we run the same main sets every night, but we might change it up a little in the encore now and then, but not every night.
NRM: - You do have so dedicated fans that many of us are going to see more than a concert on the tour.
James: - Yes, I know, and we always have that in mind. In the first set we therefore not only to play songs that fans have not heard in a while, but there are also some songs that we've never played live before. And then we will obviously end the evening with a massive epic. It will be a special and memorable evening for the fans.

[MirrorMask]

Ok, they basically said-non-said that we get A Change of Seasons as encore.

I wonder however what the replacement would be... I don't think they would rehearse, say, Octavarium only to play it every 5-6 gigs. We'll see!

[dodido253]

One of the never played songs must be The Bigger Picture.. I can see how great its gonna be as a live song

[Jinx]

Ok, they basically said-non-said that we get A Change of Seasons as encore.

I wonder however what the replacement would be... I don't think they would rehearse, say, Octavarium only to play it every 5-6 gigs. We'll see!

"Change it up a little" were his words. Probably will just be adding bits in like on Live Scenes where they had the Simpsons bit, home run bit etc.

I also think they could put the drum solo in ACOS - we know MM never plays exactly the same solo

EDIT: Also when James says some songs they have never played before do you think he means with MM? There cant be many theyve NEVER played before can there?

[NOMAC2107]

So they might vary the encore a bit some nights? If the encore is ACoS, does that mean some shows get no ACoS? Does that mean some nights are gonna get Dead Poet's before it and some might not? Do some sections of the songs get chopped out, like going from Another World to Crimson Sunset without Inevitable Summer (as an example)? For the love of god, what does it mean, James!?

[DreamerTV]

Did Mangini hinted at A Change of Season part were the bass play that baseball theme in his last video with Eric Disrude?

@3'56"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu792DZtc_U

[Jinx]

Did Mangini hinted at A Change of Season part were the bass play that baseball theme in his last video with Eric Disrude?

@3'56"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu792DZtc_U

I would be hoping for something original. Could be though!