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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #350 on: May 03, 2017, 01:40:10 PM »
http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f145/dream-theater-2017-04-19-o2-apollo-manchester-uk-364649.html
I think it's a very good bootleg. I download from that link, but I couldn't certify now if it's still working.
I'm perfectly fine with the band making the really difficult songs more confortably to James to sing. What they are doing with TTT only shows how creative the band is. They could just downtuned it, but instead, they create another melody very interesting!
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #351 on: May 03, 2017, 01:46:09 PM »
Do you have a link to a recent (and good) performance of it?  I know there have been a lot of links posted recently to various things, but I have not been keeping up. 

And I will also reiterate the obvious fact that we all know, which is, that passage in that song is one of the most difficult, if not THE most difficult, vocal passages in the entire DT catalog.

That passage was an utter mistake. Almost un-singable. But it's so damn awesome, I can't have enough of it. Anyway, I think changing the melody was a good call, though it does feel awkward after all these years, the earlier attempt to sing it as it is on the studio album didn't exactly yield encouraging results.
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #352 on: May 03, 2017, 01:52:42 PM »
I wouldn't call it a mistake.  It's not necessarily a bad thing to do things on an album that cannot be replicated live.  I just think they should have altered the live melody much, MUCH earlier on in their (James') career.
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #353 on: May 03, 2017, 02:05:59 PM »
Bosk, regarding the breathy thing, this is a good example:

https://youtu.be/zT9XHZSbv3k?t=140

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #354 on: May 04, 2017, 08:55:45 AM »
Looked like a packed house in Portugal last night  :metal

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #355 on: May 04, 2017, 10:47:16 AM »
Looked like a packed house in Portugal last night  :metal

It was a sold-out (or very close to it) show.  :metal

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #356 on: May 07, 2017, 07:42:08 AM »
I'm not in the mood right now to write nothing other than this:

Yesterday concert in Lignano Sabbiadoro was canceled a minute before the beginning of the show because of the rain.
Which is something that CAN happen, but believe me, everything about how they (both the promoters and the band) have handled the situation was deeply sad and wrong.

After 16 years of deep love and passion for this band, I'm done, which again for me is a really sad thing to say and realize, but I've seen too many wrong things to be able to feel any sympathy or empathy for these guys anymore.
I've been the first Italian active user on this board, not as active as many others but sill, and my next post, about what happened yesterday, will be my last. Not a big deal for anyone in the grand scheme of things, but to me of course is for sure something I'm not happy at all about.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #357 on: May 07, 2017, 10:54:28 AM »
Most outdoor shows are either stated before hand as "rain or shine" or "dependent on weather". In my experience it usually depends on the venue and the promoters. Obviously the artist can cancel shows, but DT aren't the type of band to cancel a show, they rely on these shows for their income. Any other insight as to why exactly the show was cancelled?

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« Reply #358 on: May 07, 2017, 01:46:35 PM »
I am curious as to how the band supposedly handled this poorly.  It sounds like the promoter canceled the show as the last minute, and I doubt there is anything you can do if the promoter has the power to make that call.  Someone also said on FB that the band had major concerns about their gear not being protected from the rain. Hard to quibble with that.  Not much you can do when Mother Nature takes over.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #359 on: May 07, 2017, 04:17:40 PM »
The same happened a few years back with Mastodon in São Paulo, during their first coming to the country, opening for Slipknot. They played like 6 songs or so, and then it started to rain so much, and because of the same concerns about the equipment, they preferred to stop the show and immediately left the stage. It's hard to accept... But still it's kinda of understandable.

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« Reply #360 on: May 08, 2017, 06:46:44 AM »
I am curious as to how the band supposedly handled this poorly.  It sounds like the promoter canceled the show as the last minute, and I doubt there is anything you can do if the promoter has the power to make that call.  Someone also said on FB that the band had major concerns about their gear not being protected from the rain. Hard to quibble with that.  Not much you can do when Mother Nature takes over.

Yeah pretty much that.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #361 on: May 08, 2017, 08:47:50 AM »
Unfortunately, stuff like that happens.  Last year, when my little covers band played our annual gig at a fundraising event that we have partnered with for years, we had kind of a similar thing happen.  The event coordinators for some reason did not order a canopy to cover the stage area, despite that rain was in the forecast.  About 2 hours into our 4-hour timeslot, the rain came, and it came HARD.  We were right in the middle of a song (Edge of Seventeen) and kept right on playing, and I swear it was like an '80s MTV music video.  Water splashing everywhere whenever the drummer hit a drum of cymbal.  Rain falling in buckets.  We had a blast for that 1 1/2 minutes or so while the song finished, but we were freaking out a bit too because all of our gear was exposed.  We had the wherewithal to not touch the mic stands and such.  And the sound guy was frantically disassembling gear and shoving it into his trailer while we were still playing.  And, yeah, the gig got cut short.  Nothing we could do about it.  It just was what it was. 

I tell that short just to state the obvious:  Sometimes, there is just nothing the band can do about a situation, and this is one of them.  If our little band of weekend warriors can get shut down by rain and a paid-by-the-hour sound man, of course a band will get shut down when a big local promoter or venue says it is a no-go due to weather.  Again, nothing you can do about that.  I feel for fans that get robbed of a good show in situations like that.  But it isn't really anyone's fault, especially not the band's.
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #362 on: May 08, 2017, 11:44:29 AM »
I'm wondering what can be done in advance in order for the show to go on despite the weather conditions. For example, I've seen Iron Maiden a couple of times in the pouring rain, and it did fall insanely hard throughout the entire gig. I'm having a hard time buying into the fact that nothing can be done, many concerts were held in pouring rain. Someone probably dropped the ball - most likely the promoter.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #363 on: May 08, 2017, 02:50:19 PM »
I'm sorry because the way i've wrote my post many of you had the impression i was blaming entirely the band for what happend.
Let me just clarify my thoughts

- concerning the show being canceled and just about a minute before its starts was totally the promoter fault (it was clear already a week in advance it was going to rain, still the stage was covered just on the upper part and not on the sides, and because of that when i saw in the afternoon Maddy photo of the stage on instagram i've commented "hope the show will happen anyway" actually being quite sure it wasn't going to). 
- i've seen the band playing outdoor three years ago in Brescia, it was raying way harder than saturday and they rocked the hell out of it, so i know for a fact if the conditions (and i'm referring specifically about the stage) would have allowed them to play, they would have had without a doubt

So what made me feel depressed?

Well, a combination of elements.

Fist of all, for how i see this business, they are sellers, and i'm a consumer. And in this case they were selling a concert, it didn't happen, which is somenthing that can happen, they'll refound (anctually the promoters of course) my money, case closed.
This is the grown up part of me being rational.

But there's another part of me, the fan who has followed the band since 2001, and this part feel his connection to the band also to a personal level. Which it doesn't actually exist: i don't know them personally, i cannot pretend the contraty based just on hours of videos interviews or live concerts.

But, think about this: we were, me along circa 1 thousand people, already into the arena, a lot of us driving from very far away, having taken half to a whole day off from work, willing to take a lot of rain for three hours, that a minute before the beginning of the show were told it was not going to happen. Why couldn't the band just come out to say they were sorry? I can picture them being very frustrated by the whole situation, but there's a thing called empathy, and they've showed none. Also because it was actually the second time in a row that DT canceled a show in that area - the first one was Trieste for TA - (and believe me, lots of us were hoping for them just to come out and say hi).
Then, my personal experience: i had, for the first time, and not because i've begged someone, an after show pass. I've won it thanks to the Astonishing App game. And the guy from Turbo Tape was sooo kind to me as the prize was supposed to be for another concert.
So we were there, wet tired and mad because of what just happen, trying to ask to the security guys news about the after show.
And then, all of a sudden, they told us "after show canceled as well, go out!"
So imagine how we were feeling at that moment: no show, no meeting with the band, no more explanations.
As there were two guys friends with MM trying to call him and others two trying to call DT stage manager, i was keep telling the security guys to wait two more minutes. As a result, half of the guys were kicked out anyway, so we remained in 5 (the two MM friends, two friends of mine who broghts some wine by request of JR and myself). DT stage manager, i guess his name's Bred, was really kind to pick us up and bring us into a backstage area.
Then MM came, and then JR (i won't share details of what happened during those moments, i'll just say i've understand that after shows are really meant by the band as an occasion to meets their friends, which of course makes totally sense, and that btw both were really super kind. For whatever reason, JP and JMX didn't show up. Who really pissed me off was James. Again, there could be a million reasons as to why he did act that way, still i'm having hard time believing he couldn't act differently: so what happened was that while we were there with Mike and Jordan he came near us, but run into the catering area. A couple of us called him, but he didn't answer.
What was really a poor move, is that 10 minutes later, he came out the catering area with his hood covering his head and walked away ignoring us.
Was he aware of what was happening there? I don't know. But he saw 5 fans, calling his name, and after all that happened he just ignore us. What would have cost him to just say hi? Really, aren't we all flesh and bones at the end of the day?

Again: do they really own us something just because we buy their cds or concert tickets? Aside from the items we pay for, absolutely no.

I know what happens to your head when you're just used to a situation, and after 30 years they all well are "into the machine", which is a really stressfull and demanding one. But aren't we all as well in our dayily routine? C'mon, it's not like they're doing the hardest job in the world, it's not an easy one for sure but not harder than many we all do.

So bottom of line, and i know i could be perceived as a real drama queen, i guess it will be very hard for me to feel any sympathy or empathy for these guys anymore.
And who knows me (for example wasteland) knows how much pain is giving me this thought, 'cause i've always been very active in DT related communites and fb pages (not fan clubs, as i really hate their attitude - not this noxon one though) trying to involve as many people as i could. During these years i've brought a lot of friends who were not into DT, and even my father to many concerts (actually, the only one i've asked for an after show pass once - unfortunately my mother, who suffer of multiple sclerosis was supposed to be in Padova two months ago but she got the flu and couldn't come). I've spent countless hours on the net finding news, videos and stuff to share with people on fb, because that has always been my spirit, to share.

Once again, is because of this i should fell like they own me anything? Not at all, this is something i did for myself because i wanted to.
But after last saturday, i don't think they completely deserve it, at least not anymore.

Finally, it has been a very funny ride because of dt.forums. This has been my place for 8 years (i guess), damn i've seen these pages way more than pornhub (which is what the web was meant for.... boobs, not DT :) ), so it's hard for me to leave. But i want to depart from this segment of my life, as things change and so do i, when you find out things are different than what you've pictured for years, as nice as it can be to live into memories, it's hard to come back.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #364 on: May 08, 2017, 03:24:28 PM »
Hmm... Sorry for your experience, man.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #365 on: May 09, 2017, 01:22:35 AM »
I cannot imagine what it would take for me to completely give up on a band. That truly is a shitty situation.

It must have been a really bad day for James, though, I met him after a show two years ago where he was sick as a dog, truly in an awful condition, and he still stuck around, took pictures and spoke with everybody. I really appreciated that. Apparently, that can't happen every time.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #366 on: May 09, 2017, 02:46:24 AM »
Not trying to justify James' behavior here, but it's understandable that he wouldn't be in a good mood after such a sudden cancellation that might've been preventable beforehand with better arrangements. Either way, sorry to hear about your experience.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #367 on: May 09, 2017, 04:49:53 AM »
Shitty situation, sorry for that.

Regarding James behavior, I believe there is something truly bug him. This is not typical for him. If I'm not mistaken he is the most friendly and involved among the others. James or someone else, people have that luxury not to communicate if it feels right thing to do in that kind of situations. Again, not a excuse for James. I understand you as a fan but I also understand James and the band too.
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #368 on: May 09, 2017, 07:09:34 AM »
Not trying to justify James' behavior here, but it's understandable that he wouldn't be in a good mood after such a sudden cancellation that might've been preventable beforehand with better arrangements. Either way, sorry to hear about your experience.

That would be my guess, remember these guys are human, even though we are fans, they still have bad days, get in bad moods, get upset, etc... Also, you did get to meet two members of the band (if I'm understanding your post correctly), most fans would actually feel pretty pumped that happened despite the situation. I totally get that you are bummed about the show being cancelled, I would be as well, but it actually sounds like the band and the crew did something they didn't have to do and let 5 fans backstage to meet a couple members of the band.

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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #369 on: May 09, 2017, 08:20:13 AM »
Sorry you had that experience.  I won't try to guess about what was going on, because I have no idea.  But sounds like just a messed up situation.  I do know that the band members care deeply about their fans.  I have seen that firsthand many, many times.  But as far as what happened this time, I have no idea.
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #370 on: May 09, 2017, 12:22:51 PM »
Sorry, man.  When I met the guys, they were all super nice and gracious, especially James (although he wouldn't spill the beans on the setlist for this tour lol).

I would say that the guys are human, just like all of us, and not to judge him for something that happened during a stressful moment. 
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #371 on: May 10, 2017, 09:11:18 AM »
I can only presume they were as taken offguard by the cancellation as everybody else was. You don't show up backstage if you know the gig isn't gonna happen anyway. So, they may have sat there in expectation, maybe even realizing that this would hopefully be the "make-up concert" for the canceled one on the TA tour, and then get told "nope, go back to the hotel".
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Re: Euro 2017 Winter - Images And Words and Beyond
« Reply #372 on: June 18, 2017, 09:42:51 PM »
The band just announced on their Facebook that the Asian leg of the tour will start on Sep. 9th.
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