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« Reply #805 on: November 07, 2017, 11:56:49 PM »
Weird thought about Thor (which was super fun, by the way).

Valkyrie. She was a Valkyrie. Her name isn't Valkyrie, that's what she was. The hell is her name?

It's like called a soldier Soldier.
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« Reply #806 on: November 08, 2017, 04:29:02 AM »
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« Reply #807 on: November 08, 2017, 06:39:16 AM »
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« Reply #808 on: November 08, 2017, 08:53:28 AM »
I saw Thor last night. It was fantastic.
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« Reply #809 on: November 08, 2017, 09:41:36 AM »
Saw Thor Monday night, it was great, but it felt a little too long for me. Didn't like what happens to Thor at the end, though  ;)
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« Reply #810 on: November 10, 2017, 11:27:11 PM »
Saw Ragnarok with the boys today.  Overall, I liked it.  I knew going in that it was going to have a lighter tone to it.  I like that it actually managed to be lighthearted and dark at the same time.  Some spoilers below as I discuss some of my thoughts:

Again, I really liked the balance between lighthearted and dark.  It worked really well.

This movie highlighted why I am not a Hulk fan and have never been.  The character just doesn't do much for me.  He is such a tough character to bring any personality to.  But I can't imagine how they could have done any better in that regard than what was done here. 

A few ideas seemed rushed and half-baked.  For instance, the escape from Sakaar seemed too easy.  Also, when ragnarok happened, it was kind of a let down.  I didn't really feel any sense of loss or doom.  The planet was so empty at that point anyway, but it also seemed so small and insignificant.  I think they made a mistake by not making Asgard seem to much bigger and important.  Its destruction just seemed fairly insignificant.  Maybe a repeat viewing will change my mind.  But that, to me, was the biggest flaw.

Related to that, where are all the people?  I mean, I know that a ton of people were massacred by Hela.  But still, there were hardly any people left to get off the planet.  There should have been a ton of ships. 

Still, it was a fun movie.  I enjoyed it.  But it probably ranks in the lower half of Marvel films for me. 

A word on the ending and mid-credits scene:  So, I am guessing that is Thanos' ship.  And I am likewise guessing that the terreract is on board, which makes sense because it wouldn't have simply perished in ragnarok, and Loki pausing to gawk at it seemed to obviously point to him swiping it.  But that begs the question:  Why didn't Thor raise the issue of where the tessaract is?  He more than anyone in this film knows the infinity stones are part of a bigger play being made.  Seems like a glaring oversight.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #811 on: November 11, 2017, 05:24:59 AM »
Maybe Thor was hoping that the Tesseract would be 'destroyed', or never found after Surtur laid waste to Asgard?
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« Reply #812 on: November 11, 2017, 08:18:54 AM »
Or maybe he just doesn't know that the tesseract is an infinity stone? He doesn't seem to know much about them but is investigating

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« Reply #813 on: November 11, 2017, 08:38:25 AM »
He knows. I think he saw that it was one in Age of Ultron.

I just assumed it sort of slipped his mind with everything else that happened during the movie.

Also, anyone think Loki called Thanos to tell him where he could come find them?
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« Reply #814 on: November 11, 2017, 01:32:05 PM »
Yea, I assume Loki has the tesseract and that's how Thanos found him since he's hunting them all down. And with everything going on, it's not shocking that it slipped Thor's mind.


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« Reply #815 on: November 13, 2017, 04:13:58 PM »
Coming back to this:

Valkyrie. She was a Valkyrie. Her name isn't Valkyrie, that's what she was. The hell is her name?

It's like called a soldier Soldier.

I have two thoughts.  Either or both may be true, and I suspect it is a combination of both:

1.  It isn't actually like calling a soldier "Soldier."  Valkyrie isn't just her occupation--it is her title.  It is more akin to calling a king "King" or a judge "Judge."  Those would both be acceptable. 

AND/OR

2.  My understanding of the comic character that first appears in *********SPOILER************ Incredible Hulk issue #142 was called "Valkyrie," so that is what the character is called here.  I am guessing that it was originally meant to be a title rather than a name, but that after awhile, people kind of forgot and assumed it was her name.
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« Reply #816 on: November 14, 2017, 01:31:34 AM »
I just got round to seeing Thor 3 last night.  I liked it, but I didn't love it - I'd have to put it somewhere in the lower half of the Marvel film output so far.  The last 30 minutes or so were great, but the arena planet stuff I actually found quite weak, also didn't find the humour that great, a lot of the jokes missed for me (which was a letdown as I find Taika Waititi other films genuinely funny).

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« Reply #817 on: November 14, 2017, 08:22:10 AM »
Also, anyone think Loki called Thanos to tell him where he could come find them?

I hadn't thought of that, but that would be satisfying on quite a few levels.

The pace at which things tend to happen in these movies really annoys me.  Thanos should not have been able to find them so quickly.  I needed to see a lapse of time.  But if Loki tipped him off, it solves that issue.  (A lot of modern films, and especially those in the Marvel and Star Wars universes suffer from this.  Sokovia is a lot more believable if Ultron hides out for a couple of months to build his device, grow more powerful, etc.  And on and on...)

Second, although part of me likes seeing Loki being "good," it just doesn't fit his character.  He is evil, cold-blooded, and self-centered.  It doesn't make sense to see him apparently having turned over a new leaf and being buddy-buddy with Thor and the remaining survivors of Asgard.  I was starting to feel like his true nature was getting lost.  He is also calculating and willing to play the long game to get what he wants.  Knowing that he has been working toward a longer end game with Thanos would be more satisfying.  Him calling Thanos and saying, basically, "Okay, Asgard's defenses are now nonexistent, and I have it (them?) ready for you to take" makes sense.

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #818 on: November 14, 2017, 06:43:52 PM »
For the most part, I agree with you (re: Loki's 'good-natured' persona).  In the comics, he's considered the God of Evil.  *He* was the one that brought about Ragnarok in a couple of the different iterations of it.  His loathe for Thor (and Odin for that matter) is off the charts, so the MCU characterization of him is not in sync with the comics.

However, Tom Hiddleston has done such a fantastic job with him that (imo) the MCU wanted to find a way for the audiences to love to hate him.  I think they don't want us to completely hate him (yet), despite his evil nature.  Perhaps they're just setting him up to be that completely evil character by siding 100% with Thanos?  I haven't read any of the Infinity series' yet (they're next on my to-do list), so I don't know what Loki's role is in those.
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