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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #840 on: March 13, 2017, 09:29:52 PM »
Well, there is a short graphic novel bridging Nemesis and ST09. It's mostly a lot of fan service, but it has all the TNG people.

Data is fully in control of the body and is captain of the enterprise, the rest are..........I forgot, been a long time. But they're all basically what you'd expect.

So they have Data in control of B4's body?
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« Reply #841 on: March 19, 2017, 07:55:23 AM »
Wow. I don't know why I never made that connection of TWOK and Nemesis before. Yup, final battle scene with broken-down ships and two captains that view each other as equals. The logical character, who previously uploaded his memory to another being, dies a heroic death by stepping into the heart of a powerful device.

Kinda sad to think that they at this point cloned TWOK twice.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #842 on: March 19, 2017, 07:58:39 AM »
Wow. I don't know why I never made that connection of TWOK and Nemesis before. Yup, final battle scene with broken-down ships and two captains that view each other as equals. The logical character, who previously uploaded his memory to another being, dies a heroic death by stepping into the heart of a powerful device.

Kinda sad to think that they at this point cloned TWOK twice.

The dynamic between Picard and Shizon and their fight was an obvious parallel, but yeah, I never made the connection with Data either.
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« Reply #843 on: March 19, 2017, 08:28:37 AM »
I'm don't wanna get deep into this again but STID literally had one scene from TWOK.

Nemesis was almost TWOK beat for beat.

And no. Having the same CHARACTER from a previous movie does not make it an exact remake. :)

It would be like saying that if the henchman Jaws is in the next James Bond movie  -

that movie is an exact remake of Moonraker.
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« Reply #844 on: March 19, 2017, 11:14:22 AM »
Data being backed up and then later "dying" in the episode so that they could obviously "restore" him later the same way as Spock's katra was one of the things that just made me go "Seriously?" and ultimately is one of the (many) reasons I think Nemesis kinda sucks.

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« Reply #845 on: March 19, 2017, 11:16:56 AM »
Surprised in all the years of TNG - Data never thought about a back up body in case anything happened to him.

Heck - he could have removed Lore's emotion chip and kept his body offline as a spare.

Do a quick factory restore and make a copy of yourself.
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« Reply #846 on: March 19, 2017, 11:33:55 AM »
I always wondered the same thing about the VOY EMH. Three times a season they're worried that they lost him. So what? Restore the April 16th backup and get on with your trip. They have no trouble moving the program back and forth between the ship and the PE, so why not just copy it?

In Data's case, his inability to make a stable daughter might have something to do with it. Moreover, Lore was flawed, hence the creation of Data. Apparently Soong was the only one able to make one that worked, and he could only pull it off once.
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« Reply #847 on: March 19, 2017, 11:44:09 AM »
 I would hope the writers/showrunners thought of that, but yeah, it did seem like nothing more than a plot contrivance so that Data would be unique and thus "more alive" or "more human" or something.  I thought at some point it was made clear that Data and Lore had the same hardware but completely different software, or at least operating systems / AI.

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« Reply #848 on: March 19, 2017, 01:24:34 PM »
Data made a near perfect Android from scratch.


You're telling me that between him & LaForge -

- they couldn't take Lore and make him like Data?

They could just copy Data and replicate any parts they'd need.
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« Reply #849 on: March 19, 2017, 01:26:06 PM »
I think also, and this is probably giving the writers way too much credit, is that Data strived to be more human. Humans can't make backups of themselves, so possibly he intentionally didn't?
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« Reply #850 on: March 19, 2017, 01:28:54 PM »
Data made a near perfect Android from scratch.


You're telling me that between him & LaForge -

- they couldn't take Lore and make him like Data?

They could just copy Data and replicate any parts they'd need.
The difference between perfect and near perfect is that the latter blew up after 3 days.
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« Reply #851 on: March 19, 2017, 01:32:46 PM »
And Lore is virtually Data.

It should be easier to just upgrade that.
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« Reply #852 on: March 19, 2017, 01:34:06 PM »
And Lore is virtually Data.

It should be easier to just upgrade that.

Soong couldn't, he started over from scratch. Pretty sure Soong was better at it than both Data and Geordi too.
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« Reply #853 on: March 19, 2017, 01:38:23 PM »
I always thought Data was a downgrade from Lore since Lore was too perfect

So he made Data to be less emotional.
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« Reply #854 on: March 19, 2017, 01:41:11 PM »
I always thought Data was a downgrade from Lore since Lore was too perfect

So he made Data to be less emotional.

Well, from Lore's perspective. But Soong screwed up the emotional aspect, so he made Data without it since it was an imperfect system and the later chip was meant to to be the perfected version of what they tried with Lore. So Data + Chip = More perfect.


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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #855 on: March 19, 2017, 02:40:12 PM »
Arguing whether a fictitious robot could create another fictitious robot in 300 years from now.



And since i've not seen every episode of every ST series ever - i'd say I was more of a Back To The Future nerd.

I'm sure I know everything about those films :biggrin:

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« Reply #856 on: March 19, 2017, 04:02:53 PM »
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« Reply #857 on: March 19, 2017, 04:06:04 PM »
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« Reply #858 on: March 19, 2017, 04:30:23 PM »
Yuk

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« Reply #859 on: March 19, 2017, 04:42:47 PM »
Watching TNG "Brothers". Now it's in HD - you can *clearly* see Brent Spiner's real face under his Soong mask :P
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« Reply #860 on: March 19, 2017, 06:27:01 PM »
Voyager episode where Harry sends 7 a message back in time which causes the slipstream to dissipate...

.. The slipstream drive goes wrong after 17 seconds every time.

They say it shaved 10 years off their journey in just 16 seconds.


SO JUST USE IT FOR 10 SECONDS AT A TIME ?? :lolpalm:
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #861 on: March 19, 2017, 09:39:08 PM »
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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #862 on: March 19, 2017, 09:44:02 PM »
Voyager episode where Harry sends 7 a message back in time which causes the slipstream to dissipate...

.. The slipstream drive goes wrong after 17 seconds every time.

They say it shaved 10 years off their journey in just 16 seconds.


SO JUST USE IT FOR 10 SECONDS AT A TIME ?? :lolpalm:

Because even in those few seconds it was incredibly risky and could result in them all dying. Would you trust Harry Kim for 10 seconds with your life? I wouldn't. :lol
And if it can shave off that much at a time, then what harm is there in taking it offline until it's refined and safer?

And Timeless is one of the best Trek episodes imo.
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« Reply #863 on: March 20, 2017, 04:25:25 AM »
Well they said it works fine for the first 17 seconds. During which time they made up 10 years.
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« Reply #864 on: March 20, 2017, 02:25:09 PM »
I'm watching Voyager "Bliss" where the gargantuan space being convinces the crew he is a wormhole to Earth.


The actor who plays the alien pilot trapped inside also played the Vulcan Council Minister on Star Trek 2009.


He was the one that said " You've done well despite your disadvantage....your human mother. "




How do you read the ending ? Is he returning to the beast because he is easily tricked ?

To me - it meant that he had a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. He went back because it was all he had known.

Kind of like being institutionalised.
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« Reply #865 on: March 20, 2017, 02:48:50 PM »
Seems like a Moby Dick thing.
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« Reply #866 on: March 20, 2017, 02:52:25 PM »
He definitely looks resigned or happy at the end. Not vengeful.
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« Reply #867 on: March 20, 2017, 02:53:45 PM »
He definitely looks resigned or happy at the end. Not vengeful.

I meant more in, I am going to hunt and catch/kill the beast.....no matter what. The happiness is because he is back on the hunt. He will defeat the beast or die trying.
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« Reply #868 on: March 20, 2017, 04:03:22 PM »
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« Reply #869 on: March 20, 2017, 06:46:28 PM »
Watching Voyager. Into.. season 4? when Seven shows up. My other half asked me if I ever noticed that you can see her nipples. I responded with "no shit. I've been staring at them for almost 20 years" :lol

I forget how much of a crush I have on Jerri Ryan until every time I rewatch ST:V.
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #870 on: March 20, 2017, 07:03:57 PM »
But she wasn't in The Final Frontier :neverusethis:
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« Reply #871 on: March 20, 2017, 07:48:42 PM »
Watching Voyager. Into.. season 4? when Seven shows up. My other half asked me if I ever noticed that you can see her nipples. I responded with "no shit. I've been staring at them for almost 20 years" :lol

I forget how much of a crush I have on Jerri Ryan until every time I rewatch ST:V.

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« Reply #872 on: March 20, 2017, 07:52:58 PM »
But she wasn't in The Final Frontier :neverusethis:

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I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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« Reply #873 on: March 20, 2017, 07:53:32 PM »
I totally recognize how attractive Jerri is, but she was just never the type I was really into.

If I had to pick a full time cast member of any of the STs (as opposed to guest stars) I'd have to pick Ezri Dax. Mmmmmm.
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« Reply #874 on: March 20, 2017, 07:55:14 PM »
I totally recognize how attractive Jerri is, but she was just never the type I was really into.

If I had to pick a full time cast member of any of the STs (as opposed to guest stars) I'd have to pick Ezri Dax. Mmmmmm.

I can get behind her.

But Jerri stands out to me because Voyager was the first Star Trek series I really got into serialwise. I watched episodes of TNG growing up, but Voyager I actually watched as they aired.
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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