Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[BlobVanDam]

I feel like everything was a re-dressed Reliant. They got a lot of mileage out of those studio models. If not that, then probably some kitbash.

[El Barto]

Yeah they had a stretched model of the ship just for that one shot.

I have no idea why they would do that. The slit-screen effect is what would give them the stretchiness and they already had that. Eh, this is Blob's purview.

[Kotowboy]

I'm not entirely sure what slit screen is. I know they used it on Interstellar to make every "face" of the tesseract stretch to infinity...


I'll investigate.

[soupytwist]

Not sure anyone here will get the reference but.....

"Hello to Jason Isaacs!"

[Kotowboy]

Not sure anyone here will get the reference but.....

"Hello to Jason Isaacs!"

I've heard this umpty thrumpty times turned up to eleventy stupid

[soupytwist]

Not sure anyone here will get the reference but.....

"Hello to Jason Isaacs!"

I've heard this umpty thrumpty times turned up to eleventy stupid

The Wittertainment is strong in this one.

[Kotowboy]

I never get tired of watching his rants. Sex and the City 2 and Entourage are gold.

[Kotowboy]

It's nothing big but a small thing that annoys me in all the ST series is when they put an Alien place before any noun or illness.

" What are you eating ? "

" Tralaxian Chocolate Digestive Biscuits "




I'm watching Threshold again. It's pretty good until the silly ending.

[Adami]

And it was never with pop foods.

You'll nerve hear about Andorian pizza or Klingon steak.

[Kotowboy]

And it was never with pop foods.

You'll nerve hear about Andorian pizza or Klingon steak.

Ferengi Star Mix haribo.

[Adami]

You haven't lived till you've tried Talaxiam Tim Tams.

[Kotowboy]

Andorian Cuban Cigars

[Adami]

Andorian Cuban Cigars

They go great with Romulan ginger-ale. 

[Kotowboy]

I'm actually surprised Kermode liked Into Darkness more than Beyond.

I'd say Beyond is far far better - except for maybe feeling like a BIG movie.

[soupytwist]

I'm actually surprised Kermode liked Into Darkness more than Beyond.

I'd say Beyond is far far better - except for maybe feeling like a BIG movie.

Into Darkness for all it's faults is a more interesting film in my opinion.  Beyond is mostly forgettable.  I've said it before but if you can pretend Khan isn't Khan and some other new villain it's a far better movie.

[soupytwist]

It's actually been a few years since I last listen to Kermode/Mayo podcasts, I keep meaning to get back into it - but I don't have the long journey to work I used to have, so I don't get the time to consistantly listen.  Loved his Transformers reviews

[Kotowboy]

So Paramount has hired a new CEO after firing the last one following a disappointing 2016.

He has hinted at future Star Trek films but Zoe Saldana is about to get very busy filming FOUR Avatar movies.

So it might be a while before we see Star Trek 4.

Fine by me. Beyond was great and a nice way to celebrate the 50th. But give it some time off and come back in a few years - long after the 5 year mission.

Maybe even have a Captain Decker . Just keep him away from Keenser

[Adami]

Or just move on from that cast. There's a lot more to Trek than Kirk and crew.

[soupytwist]

Are they still going ahead with the Daddy Thor film?

As it's the 30th Anniversary since TNG started, do you think there would be any renewed interest in one final movie?   If they managed to get the cast together and got a decent script would it do anything at the box office, or would it just flop. 

[Kotowboy]

None of the TNG movies did huge business at the Box Office.

Nemesis made less than it cost so I doubt it.

Generations : $118,071,125   
First Contact : $146,027,888   
Insurrection : $112,587,658   
Nemesis : $67,312,826   


Compared to Star Trek Into Darkness : $467,381,469   


But with the right script and director - I'd love to see it. Set it 15 years later.  Data would be a problem as Brent is probably a bit pudgier and balder.

[soupytwist]

Wow I had no idea Nemesis did that bad, that can't be the WW total can it?

[BlobVanDam]

None of the TNG movies did huge business at the Box Office.

Nemesis made less than it cost so I doubt it.

Generations : $118,071,125   
First Contact : $146,027,888   
Insurrection : $112,587,658   
Nemesis : $67,312,826   


Compared to Star Trek Into Darkness : $467,381,469   

Also keep in mind how much they made relative to their budgets. Generations and First Contact at least did very respectably in that regard.
I still wish they'd return to less expensive films, and focus on a good script over effects, instead of the lowest common denominator Hollywood action film approach. Budget has never been a major factor to the quality of a Trek film. Just compare TMP and TWOK.

[Kotowboy]

Wow I had no idea Nemesis did that bad, that can't be the WW total can it?

It is. It made like $7m more than its budget.

Worldwide.

And Yes. Wrath of Khan cost $40m. And it looks GREAT. Get a director like Edgar Wright who can use the budget efficiently and you're gold.

Let's say that if Star trek 4 ended up costing $100m . $50 for the film and $50 for the promo...

Make $350m and youve got a hit.

Instead of spending like $250m and making $350m back.

[BlobVanDam]

Yeah, Nemesis tanked hard, which is why it was the nail in the coffin for TNG. I believe it opened in second place at the box office behind Maid in Manhattan. That's a tough pill to swallow.

[Kotowboy]

lol kotowboy but I don't think Nemesis was all that bad - despite the characters being nothing like their TNG tv show characters and it being a Wrath of Khan clone and

it including a mind rape scene

Maybe it's a meta movie. The theme of the film is - if you were you - but had a different life - would you still have the same values etc ?

Well - Nemesis is basically a Wrath of Khan clone in different hands and it ended up nowhere near as good.

It was intentional

[BlobVanDam]

Wow I had no idea Nemesis did that bad, that can't be the WW total can it?

It is. It made like $7m more than its budget.

Worldwide.

And Yes. Wrath of Khan cost $40m. And it looks GREAT. Get a director like Edgar Wright who can use the budget efficiently and you're gold.

Wikipedia says 11 million. Are you thinking of TMP? I recall reading somewhere that TWOK was originally going to be a TV movie, but then they changed their minds because it was turning out well. It was definitely done on the cheap compared to TMP, and is widely considered the best Trek movie, as well as being a success.

I'm sure if you made a cheaper Trek movie with a great script, the core audience ensure its success. But that's not Hollywood's approach these days, unfortunately.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah probably TMP.

I watched the Making of TWOK a little while ago and the figures got muddled in my brain.

$11m ?

That's insane. It looks phenomenal for that money. Like an honest to goodness big budget blockbuster.

$11m these days might pay for one of the actors to be in it.

[BlobVanDam]

It obviously helped that TMP had covered a lot of the cost of sets and props etc, but it goes to show that a franchise doesn't require constant big money to keep going.
You've raised a good point on the cast though; the current cast would probably a decent chunk alone, unlike the TOS cast of television actors who mostly didn't have much else going for them at the time.

[Adami]

Hopefully movies like Deadpool and Logan are showing that a passionate story with a low budget can still perform insanely well.

[Kotowboy]

Hopefully movies like Deadpool and Logan are showing that a passionate story with a low budget can still perform insanely well.

And they don't all have to be PG-13.

R rated movies (15) can do big business too.

[Kotowboy]

I had a funny thought today. They should use the design of the Axanar for Discovery just to really rub salt in that Alec Peters wound.

😂😂

[PowerSlave]

Yeah, Nemesis tanked hard, which is why it was the nail in the coffin for TNG.

I was always under the impression that it was intended to be the final TNG film. Maybe because they killed off Data.

Was that their intention going in?

[Adami]

Yeah, Nemesis tanked hard, which is why it was the nail in the coffin for TNG.

I was always under the impression that it was intended to be the final TNG film. Maybe because they killed off Data.

Was that their intention going in?

I can't remember who it was, possibly Sir Patrick, but one of them was talking about how it being the final TNG film wasn't a thing till after the film came out and that none of the crew thought of it as the last one while making it.

[PowerSlave]

Yeah, Nemesis tanked hard, which is why it was the nail in the coffin for TNG.

I was always under the impression that it was intended to be the final TNG film. Maybe because they killed off Data.

Was that their intention going in?

I can't remember who it was, possibly Sir Patrick, but one of them was talking about how it being the final TNG film wasn't a thing till after the film came out and that none of the crew thought of it as the last one while making it.

That's interesting. I wonder where they might have went with stories after that? It's too bad that it ended the way that it did. Maybe if they had had more success then we wouldn't have had to endure the travesty that we got with the new films.

[Adami]

Well, there is a short graphic novel bridging Nemesis and ST09. It's mostly a lot of fan service, but it has all the TNG people.

Data is fully in control of the body and is captain of the enterprise, the rest are..........I forgot, been a long time. But they're all basically what you'd expect.