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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #910 on: March 27, 2017, 04:25:16 PM »
Not sure if you're joking but Generations is my favourite TNG movie.

It's Insurrection I don't like.


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« Reply #911 on: March 27, 2017, 04:26:06 PM »
Not sure if you're joking but Generations is my favourite TNG movie.

It's Insurrection I don't like.

Joking. Like I would have described ToS as El Barto's most hated show. Etc.
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« Reply #912 on: March 27, 2017, 05:11:57 PM »
My thinking on (do we have an acronym for the new show yet, I like STD, seems like it might be applicable) Discovery is that they have a tone they want to set. They want an HBO style drama, intense and dark. Far more so than DS9 ever got, closer to Breaking Bad or something. That's what the modern TV viewing audience likes and actual Star Trek fans don't matter a whit. The best time to do that is before TOS. Afterward every thing was just to cheery. Even during the Dominion War they made sure not to get too dark. If you want gritty then it needs to be early TOS, and my hunch is that they're all about gritty.
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« Reply #913 on: March 27, 2017, 07:11:50 PM »
My thinking on (do we have an acronym for the new show yet, I like STD, seems like it might be applicable) Discovery is that they have a tone they want to set. They want an HBO style drama, intense and dark. Far more so than DS9 ever got, closer to Breaking Bad or something. That's what the modern TV viewing audience likes and actual Star Trek fans don't matter a whit. The best time to do that is before TOS. Afterward every thing was just to cheery. Even during the Dominion War they made sure not to get too dark. If you want gritty then it needs to be early TOS, and my hunch is that they're all about gritty.

I'm digging the acronym!!!

I wouldn't mind them being dark and gritty as long as they don't make it look silly in turn. I know that a few of you guys are following the news of the new show much closer than I am. I got disgusted from some of the stuff I read early on, and haven't had a very good feeling about it since then. Is there something that you've seen that gives you that sense that they're going in that direction? Or, are you guessing(most likely correctly) that they'll be following that trend?
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« Reply #914 on: March 27, 2017, 08:05:01 PM »
Mostly the latter. If they're still intending to start some streaming service around it they're going to need something far more popular than Star Trek. Its serialized nature and the new for no reason Klingons certainly steer me in that direction, as well.
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« Reply #915 on: March 27, 2017, 08:17:46 PM »
Mostly the latter. If they're still intending to start some streaming service around it they're going to need something far more popular than Star Trek. Its serialized nature and the new for no reason Klingons certainly steer me in that direction, as well.

I'm hoping that picture that was posted of the new klingons was wrong. It almost feels like a deal breaker  :sad:
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #916 on: March 27, 2017, 11:49:16 PM »
My thinking on (do we have an acronym for the new show yet, I like STD, seems like it might be applicable) Discovery is that they have a tone they want to set. They want an HBO style drama, intense and dark. Far more so than DS9 ever got, closer to Breaking Bad or something. That's what the modern TV viewing audience likes and actual Star Trek fans don't matter a whit. The best time to do that is before TOS. Afterward every thing was just to cheery. Even during the Dominion War they made sure not to get too dark. If you want gritty then it needs to be early TOS, and my hunch is that they're all about gritty.

I don't really expect it to be any darker or grittier than the average modern CBS cop show.
But from what I've heard, this show doesn't give the slightest shit about continuity with other Trek, so who knows what we're getting at this point.
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« Reply #917 on: March 27, 2017, 11:57:44 PM »
Personally I'm hoping for hardcore militant Ferengi death soldiers.

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« Reply #918 on: March 28, 2017, 12:02:33 AM »
I'm hoping we finally see the great Pakled wars.
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« Reply #919 on: March 28, 2017, 09:18:44 AM »
Personally I'm hoping for hardcore militant Ferengi death soldiers.

Can I get an amen?
Only if they wear the enormous codpieces that Roddenberry originally wanted.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #920 on: March 28, 2017, 12:36:24 PM »
Almost finished S1 of ENT.

It's just OK. Like I said the whole season is like mediocre Voyager or TNG episodes.

A lot of times when the prologue happens it's like " oh it's going to be THIS episode ".

But i'm enjoying it nonetheless. I like most of the crew. T'Pol isn't quite 7 of 9 and Phlox isn't quite as good as the EMH.



I know most crews on the ST shows are mostly similar in structure but ENT seems to be more like the TOS crew than TNG or DS9 or VOY.

Also i don't know why NX-01 has buttons to open doors when we have automatic doors in the 21st Century.

Maybe because more of the rooms are off limits I guess.
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« Reply #921 on: March 28, 2017, 01:23:25 PM »
Season 3 of ENT for me was well done.
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« Reply #922 on: March 28, 2017, 01:31:53 PM »
Season 3 of ENT for me was well done.


I like my Enterprise how i like my steak.   :coolio :king:

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« Reply #923 on: March 28, 2017, 01:40:03 PM »
That may cause an uproar.  Be careful with the meat lovers here.
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« Reply #924 on: March 28, 2017, 01:43:00 PM »
You know, regarding DSC wanting to be more "adult", if they meet any Ferengi, they could show naked women.
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« Reply #925 on: March 28, 2017, 01:45:22 PM »
I really hope they don't start saying "fuck" left and right just because it's an adult show.

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« Reply #926 on: March 28, 2017, 01:47:56 PM »
You know, regarding DSC wanting to be more "adult", if they meet any Ferengi, they could show naked women.

Naked Woooman.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #927 on: March 28, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
I really hope they don't start saying "fuck" left and right just because it's an adult show.

Unless it's the opposite race to the Tak Tak. (the Fuk Fuk?)
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« Reply #928 on: March 28, 2017, 02:03:56 PM »
Guys, it's CBS.

CBS.
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« Reply #929 on: March 28, 2017, 02:04:23 PM »
Yes. Good. Not HBO.

 

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« Reply #930 on: March 28, 2017, 02:07:01 PM »
Guys, it's CBS.

CBS.
Yes, but not "network" CBS.  It's CBS All Access, which is, by definition, pay TV.  No reason it can't be more risque than something on the network.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #931 on: March 28, 2017, 02:08:12 PM »
I actually like NX-01.

There's a really nice shot of it at the beginning of the episode " Acquisition ".

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #932 on: March 28, 2017, 02:18:19 PM »
:D

That chase scene in "Fallen Hero" was pretty exciting. The direction was like a movie.

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« Reply #933 on: March 28, 2017, 03:41:30 PM »
Guys, it's CBS.

CBS.
Yes, but not "network" CBS.  It's CBS All Access, which is, by definition, pay TV.  No reason it can't be more risque than something on the network.
I was going to say that's all the more reason to be glad that Roddenberry's pervy ass is gone, but upon further reflection there are some ST gals that I wouldn't have minded seeing bust out some gratuitous nudity just to appease the producer. And it's not like they didn't manufacture excuses to put T-Pol in those shorts and skimpy top.
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« Reply #934 on: March 28, 2017, 03:42:49 PM »
:D

That chase scene in "Fallen Hero" was pretty exciting. The direction was like a movie.
Good episode. I liked how casual the Vulcan captain was when threatening to destroy the other guys' ships. That always made me chuckle.
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« Reply #935 on: March 28, 2017, 09:37:31 PM »
Vulcans are essentially humans, but with deadpan delivery.
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« Reply #936 on: March 28, 2017, 09:38:32 PM »
Vulcans are essentially humans, but with deadpan delivery.

Do you mean that's how you actually see Vulcans? Or how ENT and the new movies and such portray them?
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« Reply #937 on: March 28, 2017, 10:35:32 PM »
Guys, it's CBS.

CBS.
Yes, but not "network" CBS.  It's CBS All Access, which is, by definition, pay TV.  No reason it can't be more risque than something on the network.
I was going to say that's all the more reason to be glad that Roddenberry's pervy ass is gone, but upon further reflection there are some ST gals that I wouldn't have minded seeing bust out some gratuitous nudity just to appease the producer. And it's not like they didn't manufacture excuses to put T-Pol in those shorts and skimpy top.

They were pretty blatant at times, especially with the naked pressure point thing with Tucker or whatever it was. And the decontamination room was a flimsy excuse for them to wear not much.

As has been pointed out, this is CBS. Even though it's streaming, I don't expect it to differ much from their usual network stuff. We're not going to see an authentic Betazoid wedding or anything.
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« Reply #938 on: March 29, 2017, 08:08:06 AM »
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« Reply #939 on: March 29, 2017, 08:37:32 AM »
Vulcans are essentially humans, but with deadpan delivery.

Do you mean that's how you actually see Vulcans? Or how ENT and the new movies and such portray them?

Especially how ENT treated them I feel.

In general, there is a limited shelf life to any species in ST. They will start out truly alien (1st season TNG Ferengi, TMP Klingons, Species 8472), but the moment they get used in plots, an "erosion towards humanity" starts to happen. For a good story, the audience needs to at least somewhat relate to the aliens, and the only way of doing so is giving the aliens human attributes. So, by the end the Ferengi were an egalitarian socialist species, Vulcans were just humans with deadpan delivery, and Martok educates us that the true battle lies at home with your wife.
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« Reply #940 on: March 29, 2017, 08:59:38 AM »
Vulcans are essentially humans, but with deadpan delivery.

Do you mean that's how you actually see Vulcans? Or how ENT and the new movies and such portray them?

Especially how ENT treated them I feel.

In general, there is a limited shelf life to any species in ST. They will start out truly alien (1st season TNG Ferengi, TMP Klingons, Species 8472), but the moment they get used in plots, an "erosion towards humanity" starts to happen. For a good story, the audience needs to at least somewhat relate to the aliens, and the only way of doing so is giving the aliens human attributes. So, by the end the Ferengi were an egalitarian socialist species, Vulcans were just humans with deadpan delivery, and Martok educates us that the true battle lies at home with your wife.
Yeah, I can see that. And it's all the more twisted when you consider that all of those species were far more human than the human characters to begin with. Who was a better representation of humanity, Picard or Quark?
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« Reply #941 on: March 29, 2017, 10:32:20 AM »
Vulcans are essentially humans, but with deadpan delivery.

Do you mean that's how you actually see Vulcans? Or how ENT and the new movies and such portray them?

Especially how ENT treated them I feel.

In general, there is a limited shelf life to any species in ST. They will start out truly alien (1st season TNG Ferengi, TMP Klingons, Species 8472), but the moment they get used in plots, an "erosion towards humanity" starts to happen. For a good story, the audience needs to at least somewhat relate to the aliens, and the only way of doing so is giving the aliens human attributes. So, by the end the Ferengi were an egalitarian socialist species, Vulcans were just humans with deadpan delivery, and Martok educates us that the true battle lies at home with your wife.
Yeah, I can see that. And it's all the more twisted when you consider that all of those species were far more human than the human characters to begin with. Who was a better representation of humanity, Picard or Quark?

Picard was the future that we are supposed to be aspiring to be. Quark/Ferengi is a terrible stereotype of an aspect of a particular ethnic group of current day humans.

So I guess that they get away with it if you look at it that way.
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« Reply #942 on: March 29, 2017, 03:26:43 PM »
I have heard of the Jewish accusation of Ferengi, I personally never bought that. I think Data's characterization at their first encounter gives clues as to the allegory: "Yankee Trader". I think they were meant as a direct opposite to the virtual communist Federation, by worshiping greed and money.
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« Reply #943 on: March 29, 2017, 03:59:47 PM »
Yeah, I don't get the Jewish thing at all (I'd never heard that before today). Aside from the obvious tie-in with the Bajorans, if I were to go looking for stereotyped Jews in ST I'd probably go with the Romulans. But in any case, the Ferengi represent greedy capitalist pig-dogs while the humans represent what we are supposed to one day become. I'm just of the opinion that we're a helluva lot further away (and in many ways thankfully) from the perfect humans than we are the Ferengi, Klingons, Cardassians and Romulans. The Ferengi are the Hu-mons while we're, I don't know, the Metrons or some shit.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
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