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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #315 on: November 19, 2016, 12:59:39 PM »
I'm in a tough dilemma. I thought Beyond was pretty cool (though not great) but since I'm a completionist, I can't buy it unless I buy Into Darkness, and I just can't bring myself to do that.

Yeah I'm the same. I asked for the first 10 movies for my birthday knowing full well it included Insurrection.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #316 on: November 19, 2016, 01:40:30 PM »
Insurrection wasn't a terrible movie. It would have been much better as an episode. Nemesis had a cool premise, but it was very poorly executed.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #317 on: November 19, 2016, 02:03:59 PM »
Upon my most recent watching of all of them :

Still love Generations - emotional - warm - fun. Spiner overacts.

First Contact - Cold. fairly emotionless. Doesn't hold up as well imo.

Insurrection - Still don't like it.

Nemesis - Enjoyed it a lot more than I was expecting.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #318 on: November 20, 2016, 04:05:48 AM »
OK

So I was thinking. I'm assuming Spock didn't know he was coming back when he entered the radiation room. I was wondering - what happens to his Katra if the host is dead ?

Do they transfer it to another Vulcan ? Do they then inherit all their knowledge & wisdom ? then when that Vulcan dies - they pass on two katras and so on ?

Also the Vulcan at the end of Star Trek III said " This has not been performed since ages past - and only then in myth ".

So... What was Sarek so concerned about ? Spock's body was ostensibly dead and gone and transferring his katra was " only a myth "...

Hmmm..??

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #319 on: November 20, 2016, 04:21:49 AM »
This has nothing to do with the JJ films, and their plot hole riddled excuses for scripts.
From what I remember, the katra was transferred to a Vulcan so they gain their knowledge, since they can connect minds. When Sarek believed Spock hadn't passed on his katra to Kirk, he said that everything that Spock knew was lost. Sarek was all pissy to Kirk because he thought Kirk hadn't brought that katra/knowledge back to Vulcan.
Transferring the katra to a human was a unique and rare circumstance, since obviously the human brain wasn't fully compatible with the Vulcan mind. Especially McCoy's. :lol

I believe the ritual at the end that was considered legend was the transference of the katra to restore the original unblended Vulcan mind as they did to bring back Spock, since usually you're just transferring the "katra" to merge with another Vulcan's mind; you're still dead and gone.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #320 on: November 20, 2016, 04:39:00 AM »
This has nothing to do with the JJ films, and their plot hole riddled excuses for scripts.

Yes. I was only joking about that part. Here fishy fishy.

So if Sarek thought Kirk had Spock's Katra - did he intend to obtain via mind meld ? Even though the ritual was "ages old" and even then only a fairytale ?

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #321 on: November 20, 2016, 04:44:59 AM »
I've edited my post more.
Transferring the katra to merge with another Vulcan's mind was not the legendary ritual, separating and transferring Spock's katra back into another body was, I believe. It's probably very rare they have the opportunity or desire to do so, and it's probably like mixing two liquids together; hard to separate them again. Having a Vulcan mind in a human mind possibly made it easier to separate them.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #322 on: November 20, 2016, 04:47:12 AM »
:o W...what? A vulcan died - transferred his Katra...but...but now the vulcan is alive again and wants his marbles back???

Umm...err...

*picks up a copy of "Katra transferring for Dummies"* :dangerwillrobinson: Please Hold...


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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #323 on: November 20, 2016, 04:49:25 AM »
Yeah, how often do they get a fresh new computer to reinstall the operating system back onto? Usually they'd just copy the files over to another computer and toss the old one in the trash. :neverusethis:
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #324 on: November 20, 2016, 04:52:26 AM »
Transferring Katra.exe

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« Reply #325 on: November 20, 2016, 07:18:37 AM »
Transferring Katra.exe

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Error ! Host does not recognise file !

 :lol You are on a roll in this thread! Funny stuff. And I totally agree with you on Generations.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #326 on: November 20, 2016, 07:27:41 AM »
Humour is illogical.


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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #327 on: November 21, 2016, 08:11:26 AM »
Seems to me the purging of Spock's marbles from McCoy is the problematic part. If all we're talking about is memories of life experience, it can be passed along to as many people as you wan, like an MP3. "Hey, have you heard Sarek yet? Here, check it out." TSFS and ENT (which spent far too much time on Vulcan mind melds) established that it was only a single thing that can't be copied.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #328 on: November 21, 2016, 08:41:38 AM »



The two JJ movies are on order on Blu Ray. Giving dad all my DVDs when I see him tonight. :)

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #329 on: November 21, 2016, 10:49:44 AM »
THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER!!!
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #330 on: November 21, 2016, 10:52:53 AM »
YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER MISTER

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #331 on: November 22, 2016, 02:02:46 AM »
THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER!!!

They are in his preference order.  As his Sig says "Star Trek Beyond is the 3rd greatest Kelvin Star Trek movie." And I agree ;D

What from the original 10 movies makes the set get the 15 rating?
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2016, 03:22:37 AM »
Khan.

Do you think Beyond is the worst of the last 3 ? I think it's easily the best.

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« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2016, 04:28:12 AM »
Do you think Beyond is the worst of the last 3 ? I think it's easily the best.

Yeah I do.  There isn't much between them though to be honest for me.  The 2009 is just the best for me, with Darkness is just a cigarette paper better than Beyond.  All 6 to 7/10 films.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #334 on: November 22, 2016, 04:41:29 AM »
Do you think Beyond is the worst of the last 3 ? I think it's easily the best.

Yeah I do.  There isn't much between them though to be honest for me.  The 2009 is just the best for me, with Darkness is just a cigarette paper better than Beyond.  All 6 to 7/10 films.

 :o i think Beyond is vastly superior

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« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2016, 04:45:25 AM »
Do you think Beyond is the worst of the last 3 ? I think it's easily the best.

Yeah I do.  There isn't much between them though to be honest for me.  The 2009 is just the best for me, with Darkness is just a cigarette paper better than Beyond.  All 6 to 7/10 films.

 :o i think Beyond is vastly superior

I've only seen Beyond once so far, so my opinion may change on a few rewatches.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #336 on: November 22, 2016, 05:01:56 AM »
To be fair I didn't like it on my first viewing either... The screening was too dark.

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« Reply #337 on: November 23, 2016, 01:33:17 AM »
To be fair I didn't like it on my first viewing either... The screening was too dark.

That was one of my issues too.

Been trawling Netflix and doing a bit of a Stephen King adaption marathon recently (which offers a diverse mix of Great, Terrible and damn right Campy).  Watched Pet Senatary last night starring Tasha Yarr - Unsuprisingly it wasn't a great performance...

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #338 on: November 23, 2016, 04:13:28 AM »
TNG & Voyager both improved drastically once Yar & Kes left the show.

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« Reply #340 on: November 24, 2016, 04:42:46 AM »
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #341 on: November 24, 2016, 04:37:50 PM »
Just watched Nemesis again. I like it. :(


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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #342 on: November 24, 2016, 04:38:02 PM »
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #343 on: November 24, 2016, 05:18:18 PM »
Just watched Nemesis again. I like it. :(



There is a movie I have not seen in full in a very long time.

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« Reply #344 on: November 24, 2016, 05:19:12 PM »
Just watched Nemesis again. I like it. :(

Listen dude, I know we all have suggested a possibility of a therapist before, but after this post I'm recommending being fully institutionalized.

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« Reply #345 on: November 25, 2016, 12:49:13 AM »
Just watched Nemesis again. I like it. :(

Listen dude, I know we all have suggested a possibility of a therapist before, but after this post I'm recommending being fully institutionalized.

It's for your own good.

When i think of Nemesis, first thing that always comes to my mind is Picard, Worf and Data, driving their rebadged golf kart/doom buggy across the sand planet and killing everyone. And after that, pulling of a knight Rider stunt into a hovering shuttle.

That's bad, really bad...

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« Reply #346 on: November 25, 2016, 01:29:51 AM »
Just watched Nemesis again. I like it. :(

To be fair if you were watching the films in order most things would feel good after Insurrections.   Hell I reckon an episode of Wesley falling for Lwaxana Troi and seeking advice about said relationship from Neelix - would feel good after Insuckections.

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« Reply #347 on: November 25, 2016, 05:15:08 AM »
I don't understand why insurrection has so much hate. It's not an awful film. The pacing is slow and it does feel more like an episode but it's not terrible.

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« Reply #348 on: November 25, 2016, 05:56:53 AM »
I don't understand why insurrection has so much hate. It's not an awful film. The pacing is slow and it does feel more like an episode but it's not terrible.

It is terrible though.  The plot isn't just slow, it's boring and makes no sense.   'The Villains' are so cliche villainy they come straight from an 80's cartoon.  The Good guys are that super twatish idelyc race, that's given up technology so they can be super smug while making stuff with hemp.   Other great things are Worf rejoins the crew and gets rewarded by a storyline where he gets a Zit. Also we learn the enterprise can get piloted by a 80's gaming joystick and Riker shaves his beard as this film is a homage to the 'quality' of the first beardless season. 
Should have been called : Star Trek 9 Inch Erection.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #349 on: November 25, 2016, 05:59:14 AM »
I don't understand why insurrection has so much hate. It's not an awful film. The pacing is slow and it does feel more like an episode but it's not terrible.

I think it's just become the cool thing to hate on it here. The movie is just fine. Nemesis is the obvious stain on the franchise that killed the films.
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