Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[Kotowboy]

The Enterprise underwater was one of the most retarded things ever.

I think it was a cool visual - even though the reason for it being there ..held no water... fnar fnar..

If they could have explained why they had to be underwater and couldn't just beam down from orbit...

But they didn't. It's just because they wanted to see the ship ascending from the ocean and so it did.

[Kotowboy]

However the Blu rays are stunning. Motion Picture especially looks fantastic. Search For Spock is really nice and crisp . Voyage Home looks how I always remembered it - no huge upgrade.

Gonna watch Final Frontier tonight. No Commentary. It's been a while since I saw it last. I might skip VI as I watched it very recently.

My Blu Ray of VI looks soooo much better than my DVD copy. It must have been a shitty VHS transfer.

[BlobVanDam]

The Enterprise underwater was one of the most retarded things ever.

I think it was a cool visual - even though the reason for it being there ..held no water... fnar fnar..

If they could have explained why they had to be underwater and couldn't just beam down from orbit...

But they didn't. It's just because they wanted to see the ship ascending from the ocean and so it did.

Even if there was some valid reason for the ship to be underwater, it's a completely scientifically bankrupt idea and should never have been done.

[El Barto]

As the folks at the Smithsonian discovered, having the Enterprise exist anywhere there's gravity is a scientifically bankrupt idea.

[Kotowboy]

But so is Voyager VI probe being adopted by a planet of machine beings and turned into a God or flying an alien spacecraft around the sun to go back in time 300 years.

Or having a torpedo which turns a moon into an Earth like planet lickety-split.

That's why it's science fiction...

[BlobVanDam]

As the folks at the Smithsonian discovered, having the Enterprise exist anywhere there's gravity is a scientifically bankrupt idea.

The Enterprise clearly wasn't designed for 50 years of being in service.

[Adami]

The Enterprise underwater was one of the most retarded things ever.

We talking the intro to Into Darkness? Yea, that whole opening was one of the major reasons I couldn't get through the whole movie. Just a perfect example of "this looks cool" without making any amount of sense at all.

[BlobVanDam]

The Enterprise underwater was one of the most retarded things ever.

We talking the intro to Into Darkness? Yea, that whole opening was one of the major reasons I couldn't get through the whole movie. Just a perfect example of "this looks cool" without making any amount of sense at all.

Yep. I think Scotty even acknowledges that it's ridiculous. Not that that excuses it in any way. That actually makes it even worse.
Futurama did the same thing, and for a cartoon comedy, sadly actually did a much better job of it.

[King Postwhore]

Jut think of the ship coming out of the water like Bo Derek in 10.  It's sexy.

[Kotowboy]

Or Daniel Craig in Casino Royale...






....what ?

[Kotowboy]

POLL MY FINGER !!!

Which do you prefer ?

[  ]  Star Trek V : The Final Frontier


[  ]  Star Wars II : Attack of The Clones

[Adami]

Oh, Final Frontier without a second's thought. At least it has likable characters.

[Kotowboy]

Agree.

AOTC is just tedious.

[hefdaddy42]

I agree.  Give me Final Frontier.

[Orbert]

I seem to be one of the few who actually likes The Final Frontier.  I remember it getting bagged pretty badly when it came out, people called it Shatner's tribute to himself, all kinds of stuff, but I thought it was fine.  Yeah, the special effects were pretty cheapo; Paramount wouldn't fork out for ILM or whoever, so they went with some discount FX company.  People thought the campfire scenes were hokey, but I thought they were great.  Spock learned to sing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" by the end.  Sybok was cool.  A chill, laughing, laid-back Vulcan.

And they weren't trying to rescue God from wherever.  I thought it was obvious from the beginning that it was some being a la Charlie X or Trelaine who'd screwed up and managed to get himself trapped somewhere, or was imprisoned, and was using Kirk and The Enterprise to escape.  Kirk figured it out right away.  "Why does God need a starship?"  People said "Yeah, right, they're on a mission to rescue God.  How stupid."  No.  If you thought that that's what they were doing, then I'm pretty sure it wasn't the movie that was stupid.

After the unofficial trilogy of II-III-IV, I thought a self-contained adventure, something like an extended TV episode but on a grander scale, was a nice change.  Plus we got character growth, backstory, and some other fun stuff.

[BlobVanDam]

I like TFF too, for what it is. It's closest in spirit to TOS imo, and best captures the TOS dynamic of Kirk/Spock/McCoy, and there are a lot of fun adventurous moments. It has plenty of camp, silly moments, but again, that's in the spirit of TOS for me. The ending is the big letdown for me, because it's just a total fizzle. It's definitely not one of the better Trek movies, but I'd watch it every day before I ever have to sit through the SW prequels again.

[hefdaddy42]

The good things about TFF are really good, and the bad things are mostly the studio's fault.

The one thing I really don't like is introducing, out of the blue, a half-brother for Spock, who is also never mentioned again in any of the ST mythos.  That just doesn't sit well with me, and I wish they had found a different way to tell that story.

[El Barto]

The good things about TFF are really good, and the bad things are mostly the studio's fault.

The one thing I really don't like is introducing, out of the blue, a half-brother for Spock, who is also never mentioned again in any of the ST mythos.  That just doesn't sit well with me, and I wish they had found a different way to tell that story.

Nah, it's almost entirely Shatner's fault. His belief that the studio short-changed him is silly. The movie could have been salvaged with a couple of pretty simple changes. Make Sybock any other guy. Making him Spock's brother really is silly. Give him some plausible method for his mind control. Fuck. He could twirl a spiral coin in front of their faces and give them the whole "you're becoming verrrry verrrry sleeepy" routine and it'd have been an improvement. Create a better ending. I've come to realize that making him God wasn't such a problem since none of the crew actually bought into it. If it's just some random cult leader in search of his God that turns out to be a real dick then it's now a much better movie and the camp is forgivable.

[hefdaddy42]

*shrugs*

I'm a Shatner follower.  He is generally awesome, and studios are generally not.  So if he blames the studios, I'm OK with that.

[Kotowboy]

Shatner has that way of talking where if he goes like " I did this and I'm awesome and everything went great because of me..."

And you're never sure if he's truly that egotistical or just has his tongue firmly in his cheek.

I mean it's probably 50/50.

[Adami]

*shrugs*

I'm a Shatner follower.  He is generally awesome, and studios are generally not.  So if he blames the studios, I'm OK with that.

He wanted a giant rock monster and the studio said no. I'm not sure that would have been a good idea.

[Orbert]

It worked in Galaxy Quest.

[Adami]

It worked in Galaxy Quest.

Yes. It did. But that's like saying Star Wars should have a giant robot maid with a vacuum cleaner because it worked in Space Balls.

Not that I'd disagree.

[Orbert]

I know, I was being an ass.  I wonder if the giant rock monster in Galaxy Quest was because one of the writers heard about the giant rock monster that was going to be in STV:TFF and they put it in as a joke/homage.

[Adami]

I know, I was being an ass.  I wonder if the giant rock monster in Galaxy Quest was because one of the writers heard about the giant rock monster that was going to be in STV:TFF and they put it in as a joke/homage.

It was!

[hefdaddy42]

*shrugs*

I'm a Shatner follower.  He is generally awesome, and studios are generally not.  So if he blames the studios, I'm OK with that.

He wanted a giant rock monster and the studio said no. I'm not sure that would have been a good idea.

Yeah, but it could have gone something like this.

We were at the beach
Everybody had matching towels
Somebody went under a dock
And there they saw a rock
It wasn't a rock
It was a rock lobster

[King Postwhore]

Hef, your tin roof must be rusted.

[Orbert]

I know, I was being an ass.  I wonder if the giant rock monster in Galaxy Quest was because one of the writers heard about the giant rock monster that was going to be in STV:TFF and they put it in as a joke/homage.

It was!

Seriously?  That's awesome!

[soupytwist]

TTF Has the scene where Sybok takes away Bones pain - which is a one of the best scenes of the entire series.
AOTC Has the sand discussion scene, which isn't one of the best scenes of the entire series.

[Kotowboy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBV_o_J4eXQ

This belongs in Star Trek !!!

[Nefarius]

I've seen that last night, an interesting concept.
The Vulcans already had similarly shaped percussion though...



Greetings...
Nef

[Kotowboy]

Couple of days early !!!!

[Kotowboy]

I just bought 2009 & Into Darkness on Blu Rays so that makes all 13 films I now have !!!!!



I'm not really bothered about getting the shows on Blu Ray.

[Adami]

I'm in a tough dilemma. I thought Beyond was pretty cool (though not great) but since I'm a completionist, I can't buy it unless I buy Into Darkness, and I just can't bring myself to do that.

[Kotowboy]

I'm in a tough dilemma. I thought Beyond was pretty cool (though not great) but since I'm a completionist, I can't buy it unless I buy Into Darkness, and I just can't bring myself to do that.

Yeah I'm the same. I asked for the first 10 movies boxset for my birthday knowing full well it included Insurrection.