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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #175 on: October 20, 2016, 07:38:52 PM »
No way man, TOS is my main deal, I freakin love that show so much, I love it when it's good, when it's bad, when it's cheesy and when it's stupid.
Mistress Beata is actually from episode 14 of season 1, she's the ruler of that feminist planet, a concept I'm pretty sure I saw before, probably more than once, on TOS.
With TOS, I'm on episode 5 of season 3, I haven't been posting regularly but I've had thoughts and observations on every episode since I last posted, I just never came around to it. Near the end of season 2 there was a series of 3 or 4 excellent episodes in a row. If I recall correctly The Omega Glory through the end of the season, except for that spin-off backdoor episode, which was hilariously bad, but enjoyable nonetheless.
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« Reply #176 on: October 20, 2016, 08:13:10 PM »
Season 3 gets ragged on quite a bit, but it's still perfectly good. The bad ones are a bit worse, and the good ones aren't quite as good, but there are still some great episodes in there.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #177 on: October 20, 2016, 08:59:52 PM »
I'm with El Barto on S3. I don't find the average is that much worse, even though it doesn't have the incredible run of classics that S1 and S2 did. Hell, I even like Spock's Brain.
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« Reply #178 on: October 26, 2016, 08:27:32 PM »
So it seems Star Trek Discovery has lost Bryan Fuller as the show runner.


Well....this should be interesting.
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« Reply #179 on: October 26, 2016, 09:48:44 PM »
Finally finishing up season 1. I never thought I'd be saying this but I'm really looking forward to season 2.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #180 on: October 26, 2016, 11:32:21 PM »
So it seems Star Trek Discovery has lost Bryan Fuller as the show runner.


Well....this should be interesting.

Yeah, I just read that. Apparently it's scheduling, which I'd accept given they've been pushing back the schedule, however Fuller was the only big positive coming from Discovery, so I'm a little worried about the rest of the buffoons handling the show longer term.

Finally finishing up season 1. I never thought I'd be saying this but I'm really looking forward to season 2.

Still TOS, right? S2 has a lot of classics to look forward to.
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« Reply #181 on: October 27, 2016, 06:56:23 AM »
It's OK, guys.  Akiva Goldsman is there to save the day.

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« Reply #182 on: October 27, 2016, 10:15:26 AM »
Scheduling was part of it, but budgets were also a factor. CBS was balking at ~6mil/episode. In that regard I consider this a positive aspect. As we've already learned, having money to blow on explosions and CGI wizardry doesn't necessarily make ST better. Fuller made clear that modern fans wanted that, which leads me to believe he was looking to style this more like the movies than ST in general. AFAIC, slash the budget and make them write some damn stories for a change.
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« Reply #183 on: October 27, 2016, 10:17:01 AM »
Scheduling was part of it, but budgets were also a factor. CBS was balking at ~6mil/episode. In that regard I consider this a positive aspect. As we've already learned, having money to blow on explosions and CGI wizardry doesn't necessarily make ST better. Fuller made clear that modern fans wanted that, which leads me to believe he was looking to style this more like the movies than ST in general. AFAIC, slash the budget and make them write some damn stories for a change.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #184 on: October 27, 2016, 10:31:05 AM »
Scheduling was part of it, but budgets were also a factor. CBS was balking at ~6mil/episode. In that regard I consider this a positive aspect. As we've already learned, having money to blow on explosions and CGI wizardry doesn't necessarily make ST better. Fuller made clear that modern fans wanted that, which leads me to believe he was looking to style this more like the movies than ST in general. AFAIC, slash the budget and make them write some damn stories for a change.

Call me cynical, but I don't believe that having less money would encourage them to write better stories. And from interviews, it seemed that Fuller was in the mindset of the series and that ideology rather than the movies.
Seems like the whole thing is turning into a bit of a trainwreck. If they can't even get ST right for TV, all hope is lost.
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« Reply #185 on: October 29, 2016, 06:56:26 PM »




Comparison of Enterprise D against Uss vengeance ( Blob's favourite ship:heart :heart


On closer inspection this is the alt timeline 1701-D from AGT with the Three Nacelles and the phase cannon for some reason.

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« Reply #186 on: October 29, 2016, 10:36:26 PM »
God the Vengeance is hideous. :lol It makes the Excelsior look good.
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« Reply #187 on: October 30, 2016, 06:56:24 AM »
Someone has made that themselves though since i've never seen the ship with that lighting on it before.

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« Reply #188 on: October 30, 2016, 07:57:40 AM »
If they ever make a show set after the events of Nemesis, i wouldn't mind if the Enterprise F looked like that.

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« Reply #189 on: October 30, 2016, 08:06:49 AM »
There's already technically a canon Enterprise F design from Star Trek Online, which actually looks really good, much better than that monstrosity.
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« Reply #190 on: October 30, 2016, 10:09:00 AM »
So it seems Star Trek Discovery has lost Bryan Fuller as the show runner.


Well....this should be interesting.

Yeah, I just read that. Apparently it's scheduling, which I'd accept given they've been pushing back the schedule, however Fuller was the only big positive coming from Discovery, so I'm a little worried about the rest of the buffoons handling the show longer term.

Finally finishing up season 1. I never thought I'd be saying this but I'm really looking forward to season 2.

Still TOS, right? S2 has a lot of classics to look forward to.

Yup TOS, I'll start season 2 tonight I think.

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« Reply #191 on: October 30, 2016, 10:29:18 AM »
There's already technically a canon Enterprise F design from Star Trek Online, which actually looks really good, much better than that monstrosity.


is it the one with a bulbous secondary hull and curved nacelles ?


It's ok I guess - looks a bit like an overweight Voyager.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #192 on: October 30, 2016, 10:32:29 AM »
There's already technically a canon Enterprise F design from Star Trek Online, which actually looks really good, much better than that monstrosity.


is it the one with a bulbous secondary hull and curved nacelles ?


It's ok I guess - looks a bit like an overweight Voyager.

That could describe just about anything, or nothing.

This is the Enterprise F (assuming it allows hotlinking). I'd love to see it done up to TV standard rather than low quality video game quality. Way better looking than the indistinct slapped together bunch of shapes that composes the Vengeance.

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« Reply #193 on: October 30, 2016, 10:34:17 AM »
Thats' it. Nicer than Enterprise J and Voyager I guess. Better than Enterprise C & B for sure.

Funny how over time - the saucer and secondary hull have gotten closer together and merged almost into one thing.





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« Reply #194 on: October 30, 2016, 10:36:33 AM »
Watching he first episode of season 2 right now with Spock and his Pon Farr, not a strong episode at all. It's nice to see Vulcan though.

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« Reply #195 on: October 30, 2016, 10:37:17 AM »
Thats' it. Nicer than Enterprise J and Voyager I guess. Better than Enterprise C & B for sure.

Funny how over time - the saucer and secondary hull have gotten closer together and merged almost into one thing.


I like that evolution of them merging together. The Enterprise E is one of my favourite designs. I don't see why it would be necessary for them to be so separate, especially as they've still managed to design ships with saucer separation and whatever.
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« Reply #196 on: October 30, 2016, 10:37:59 AM »
Watching he first episode of season 2 right now with Spock and his Pon Farr, not a strong episode at all. It's nice to see Vulcan though.

You fucking kidding? That's a defining episode!
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« Reply #197 on: October 30, 2016, 11:10:52 AM »
http://i.imgur.com/vq1EZVw.png

Here's a Blu ray capture of Enterprise A from the end of Beyond.

The nacelles are smaller and further apart but the whole ship seems a bit squat to me.



EDIT : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwCDtBwWIAEtvOC.jpg:large  I brightened the pic a bit. Easier to see now.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #198 on: October 30, 2016, 11:41:34 AM »
It's amazing that with the reboot ships, they haven't come close to the elegance or perfect proportions of the original Enterprise design. That said, this is still a huuuuuuuuuge improvement over the first JJ-Prise with it's too narrow nacelle placement and wonky secondary hull.
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« Reply #199 on: October 30, 2016, 11:48:43 AM »
Yup. The six original movies Enterprise was 100% perfect. Just sleek, beautiful and memorable.

I put Enterprise E in 2nd place for being a perfect marriage of the original Constitution II design and the more futuristic Enterprise D design.

1701 D in third place and then I don't know which one as they're all a bit meh after that. Although the JJ-prise did look very nice in Beyond.



The Beyond Enterprise-A is probably closer to the 1966 Enterprise design. I hope we get to see more of it *IF* there's a Star trek 4.


EDIT : http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/potential-spoilers-what-will-the-alternate-enterprise-a-look-like.279532/page-45 here is where I got it from - few more pics there :) :)

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« Reply #200 on: October 30, 2016, 08:37:06 PM »
Watching he first episode of season 2 right now with Spock and his Pon Farr, not a strong episode at all. It's nice to see Vulcan though.

You fucking kidding? That's a defining episode!

Indeed.




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« Reply #201 on: October 31, 2016, 09:00:57 PM »
Watching he first episode of season 2 right now with Spock and his Pon Farr, not a strong episode at all. It's nice to see Vulcan though.

You fucking kidding? That's a defining episode!

Indeed.




He didn't want that soup.

I'm sorry blob, I have to disagree with you, it's just too campy for me.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2016, 10:11:40 PM »
How dare you disagree with me!

And to be fair, the entire run of TOS is incredibly campy. :lol To me that's the appeal.
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« Reply #203 on: November 01, 2016, 05:32:18 PM »



I think the saucer is too small or something.

I can't put my finger on what is OFF about it.

it looks like it is wider at the top than the bottom. That angle on the rim of the dish looks weird.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #204 on: November 01, 2016, 09:18:07 PM »
I'm watching "Who Mourns for Adonais?" Now I'm trying to think but was Chekov around at all in the first season? I don't remember him at all

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« Reply #205 on: November 01, 2016, 09:20:40 PM »
I'm watching "Who Mourns for Adonais?" Now I'm trying to think but was Chekov around at all in the first season? I don't remember him at all

It took him a season or so to get his hair right.


No, they brought him on when George Takei couldn't be on the show for a short bit and because The Monkees were big and they wanted a look alike to get the girls brought in.

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« Reply #206 on: November 01, 2016, 09:51:57 PM »
Just watched TNG's Too Short a Season, decent episode.
I didn't post about it when I saw it but there were two episodes earlier this season that I found a tad funny, Code of Honor and Justice. One of them had a pretty savage black people planet and the other one a pretty chill Aryan planet, I wonder if these two episodes raised any eyebrows back when they aired, I think they were only 3 episodes apart.
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« Reply #207 on: November 01, 2016, 09:55:13 PM »
Just watched TNG's Too Short a Season, decent episode.
I didn't post about it when I saw it but there were two episodes earlier this season that I found a tad funny, Code of Honor and Justice. One of them had a pretty savage black people planet and the other one a pretty chill Aryan planet, I wonder if these two episodes raised any eyebrows back when they aired, I think they were only 3 episodes apart.

Oh god such horrible episodes.

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« Reply #208 on: November 01, 2016, 09:56:58 PM »
Haha yeah. I like that the super Aryan planet was so much fun that people there ran everywhere, nobody walks, they just run because fun.
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« Reply #209 on: November 01, 2016, 10:03:45 PM »
Haha yeah. I like that the super Aryan planet was so much fun that people there ran everywhere, nobody walks, they just run because fun.

I can just imagine Hitler watching that episode and jerking off while pretending that Crusher was Jewish and then right before he finishes, they don't kill him and he gets angry and starts the holocaust as a result.

Yea, TNG caused the holocaust!
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