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« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2016, 10:57:55 PM »
Chill out, I was paranoid because the Guadalajara show didn't even manage to sell more than half the venue's capacity until there was less than a few weeks before the show.

Around 40% of the venue's seats were sold in the last 72 hours, and they managed to sell everything but a few spots in the second balcony.

And as far as I can see, the show has already sold much more than the Guadalajara show in the same timeframe  :lol :lol
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« Reply #106 on: August 13, 2016, 03:21:33 PM »
Yeah dude but it's like the poor guys here at México from a city named Monterrey. They were very spoiled until DT decided not to go there this time. As far as I know it's not the band who says "I'll play there at all costs". Blame your local venues for bringing Justin Bieber and not DT.
Where is the onus on their tour promoter? They have one of the biggest promotion/production companies working for them. That company even has an office in Miami. To use Monterrey as a comparison to the Northeast is a bit off target. The Northeast has now had at least ten shows all within a two to three hour driving distance. I appreciate that they want to play areas they have never played before (Maine, New Hampshire) but that just exposes the ridiculousness of their not making it to the South; afterall, NOBODY can make the argument that Portland has more fans than say Miami or Orlando or that their venues think they can do a better job in selling the concerts to the people of Portland versus Miami. There is just no way that they can make the argument that the promoters in Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Atlanta, New Orleans, Charlotte, Dallas, and Houston are to blame for not being interested. That idea just defies logic and truth. Again, WHERE IS THEIR TOUR PROMOTER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? He is obviously not doing a very good job in selling the band in the South.

I don't know what you mean by "their tour promoter."  There is no such thing as a band's "tour promoter."  Promoters work in local markets and do not work for the bands.  They contract with bands and labels to plan tours in their local markets. 

As far as the argument that "There is just no way that they can make the argument that the promoters in Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Atlanta, New Orleans, Charlotte, Dallas, and Houston are to blame for not being interested," the argument is what it is.  If you don't believe it's true, then that's fine.  If you want to prove that it isn't true, then please tell us precisely which promoters in those markets have expressed interest in booking DT and believe they could do it and make it profitable for the band.  I'm sure the band would love to know who they should be getting in touch with.

Tell me Bosk, who are these people? THEY are responsible for reaching out to venues for Dream Theater to play.. Tour promoter talent agency whatever... you know exactly what I mean. It is their job to sell the band, not to sit around waiting for calls from venues. If venues call, that's great, but they were hired to sell the band. http://www.apa-agency.com/concerts/Dream_Theater.aspx
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« Reply #107 on: August 13, 2016, 04:24:44 PM »
No, I don't know what you mean.  Promoters do not work for the band.  They are independent.  The band's management and/or the label reaches out to promoters in each market where the band wants to play.  The promoters have contacts with the venues.  They tell the band management, "I can book you at the following venues, and here is are the contrat guarantee payments I think I can get for you to play, and here are the local expenses for the venues."  Management then compares that to their own expenses and decides whether it is financially worth it.  That's the short version of how it works.
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« Reply #108 on: August 13, 2016, 04:35:44 PM »
Then what is the point of APA? The site clearly has a link for venues requesting booking. They are a talent agency. One of the largest. Are they not there to sell the band's tour to promoters/venues in certain markets? It strikes me as very unlikely that promoters in the South have no desire to bring the band here while bands like Opeth and the Winery Dogs and and YES, which doesn't even have an original member left in it, etc etc. can play here often. Carl Palmer just did multiple shows in Florida with packed houses. Prog DOES sell in the South. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. As I've said before, DT has always drawn good crowds in Florida, Georgia and I'm sure, Texas.
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« Reply #109 on: August 13, 2016, 04:45:43 PM »
I believe where they likely fit into the chain would be between band management and the local promoters.  They are yet another layer of "middle man," so to speak. 
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« Reply #110 on: August 13, 2016, 04:56:50 PM »
Well, given the typical length of each leg (they have about a week or two to spare after Nov 1), it appears it won't be happening once again for the South as they have chosen to focus on the Northeast and mid-west yet again. I could be wrong, but, I doubt seriously they will do a third leg in the states after the new year. More likely, they will head to Asia or Europe again. Oh well. At least I will be seeing Anderson, Rabin and Wakeman for my second prog fix of the year Oct. 6 at the Hard Rock casino in Hollywood, Fl.
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« Reply #111 on: August 13, 2016, 05:30:37 PM »
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« Reply #112 on: August 13, 2016, 05:35:56 PM »
It looks like the Toledo date is going to be the one I end up going to. No ticket info from the Stranahan Theatre or DT yet, but I'm hoping the tickets are around the same as they were on the first NA leg of this world tour.
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« Reply #113 on: August 13, 2016, 06:05:49 PM »
It looks like the Toledo date is going to be the one I end up going to. No ticket info from the Stranahan Theatre or DT yet, but I'm hoping the tickets are around the same as they were on the first NA leg of this world tour.

Enjoy!!! I'm sure it'll be great.

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« Reply #114 on: August 13, 2016, 06:30:50 PM »
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Nice. Hopefully not all the way out in Springfield. I was expecting a Providence date TBH.
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« Reply #115 on: August 13, 2016, 07:53:57 PM »
It looks like the Toledo date is going to be the one I end up going to. No ticket info from the Stranahan Theatre or DT yet, but I'm hoping the tickets are around the same as they were on the first NA leg of this world tour.

Enjoy!!! I'm sure it'll be great.
Thanks! I sure hope so. I saw them in Cincinnati and Los Angeles on the last tour and I'm excited to see them again.
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« Reply #116 on: August 14, 2016, 12:12:48 PM »
Why so many dates in the NE. Might as well call it The Great Northern Empire leg.
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« Reply #117 on: August 14, 2016, 12:13:43 PM »
Why so many dates in the NE. Might as well call it The Great Northern Empire leg.

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« Reply #118 on: August 14, 2016, 07:41:30 PM »
Then what is the point of APA? The site clearly has a link for venues requesting booking. They are a talent agency. One of the largest. Are they not there to sell the band's tour to promoters/venues in certain markets? It strikes me as very unlikely that promoters in the South have no desire to bring the band here while bands like Opeth and the Winery Dogs and and YES, which doesn't even have an original member left in it, etc etc. can play here often. Carl Palmer just did multiple shows in Florida with packed houses. Prog DOES sell in the South. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. As I've said before, DT has always drawn good crowds in Florida, Georgia and I'm sure, Texas.

I believe where they likely fit into the chain would be between band management and the local promoters.  They are yet another layer of "middle man," so to speak.

Just seeing this post now, so forgive me if I am misunderstanding what's being said here (or asked) or just repeating stuff. Not sure what "APA" is that bluehaze is referring to, but the ones who actually book the dates with the promoters/venues are the booking agents. I'm not sure if they are still using the same guys as in the past (don't have the current tourbook handy), but for many years, they've used The Agency Group for doing their booking, and specifically Steve Martin for North America, and Derek Kemp for Europe, South America and Asia.
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« Reply #119 on: August 15, 2016, 08:57:19 AM »
MORE DATES

Oct 15
Auditorium Theatre
Rochester, NY
 
Oct 18
Hanover Theatre for the Performing Arts
Worcester, MA

Nov 15
Centennial Hall
Tucson, AZ
 
Nov 16
City National Grove of Anaheim
Anaheim, CA

Looks like it's extended a few weeks after Nov 1, so they could be doing the Southern trip everyone is dying for.

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« Reply #120 on: August 15, 2016, 09:16:24 AM »
Nov 16
City National Grove of Anaheim
Anaheim, CA
Definitely disappointed that it's a Wednesday but this is a much better location than many recent L.A. shows.  I'm actually really curious how attendance will be as they've played The Astonishing in L.A. twice, so many have seen it already I bet lots will pass on the weekday show.  I guess we'll see soon . . .
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« Reply #121 on: August 15, 2016, 11:09:49 AM »
Hmm....looks like an AZ trip for me, hopefully.
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« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2016, 01:24:11 PM »
MORE DATES

Oct 15
Auditorium Theatre
Rochester, NY
 
Oct 18
Hanover Theatre for the Performing Arts
Worcester, MA

Nov 15
Centennial Hall
Tucson, AZ
 
Nov 16
City National Grove of Anaheim
Anaheim, CA

Looks like it's extended a few weeks after Nov 1, so they could be doing the Southern trip everyone is dying for.

I hope so. They have two weeks between the 1st and the 15th of November to do so. Time will tell.

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« Reply #123 on: August 15, 2016, 01:32:13 PM »
Then what is the point of APA? The site clearly has a link for venues requesting booking. They are a talent agency. One of the largest. Are they not there to sell the band's tour to promoters/venues in certain markets? It strikes me as very unlikely that promoters in the South have no desire to bring the band here while bands like Opeth and the Winery Dogs and and YES, which doesn't even have an original member left in it, etc etc. can play here often. Carl Palmer just did multiple shows in Florida with packed houses. Prog DOES sell in the South. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. As I've said before, DT has always drawn good crowds in Florida, Georgia and I'm sure, Texas.

I believe where they likely fit into the chain would be between band management and the local promoters.  They are yet another layer of "middle man," so to speak.

Just seeing this post now, so forgive me if I am misunderstanding what's being said here (or asked) or just repeating stuff. Not sure what "APA" is that bluehaze is referring to, but the ones who actually book the dates with the promoters/venues are the booking agents. I'm not sure if they are still using the same guys as in the past (don't have the current tourbook handy), but for many years, they've used The Agency Group for doing their booking, and specifically Steve Martin for North America, and Derek Kemp for Europe, South America and Asia.
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« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2016, 10:23:36 AM »
Particularly this time when it didn't even sell very well. But, as I said before, the South is a different logistical challenge.

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I thought they did ok for their US standards...
Yeah, I was actually being generous. It sold poorly. There were tons of empty seats in Ct. and NYC. Both should have been big sellers. At RCMH the entire 6th or so row was empty. I recall several people buying aftermarket tickets for both of those shows at a fraction of face value. Metty couldn't even give away his Phili tickets. A last minute buyer could have bought resells for $10, or first 6 rows for face. I pay a lot of attention to ticket sales, and I was Astonished at how many went unsold.


Looks like it's extended a few weeks after Nov 1, so they could be doing the Southern trip everyone is dying for.
Not dying for anything, myself. I'm bitching about the lack of a Southern US tour on general principle. As I've said, I blame the band every bit as much as I blame the promoters. Actually, probably more. If they come to Dallas I might go, depending on what tickets cost.Then again I might not.
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« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2016, 01:01:51 PM »
Particularly this time when it didn't even sell very well. But, as I said before, the South is a different logistical challenge.

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I thought they did ok for their US standards...
Yeah, I was actually being generous. It sold poorly. There were tons of empty seats in Ct. and NYC. Both should have been big sellers. At RCMH the entire 6th or so row was empty. I recall several people buying aftermarket tickets for both of those shows at a fraction of face value. Metty couldn't even give away his Phili tickets. A last minute buyer could have bought resells for $10, or first 6 rows for face. I pay a lot of attention to ticket sales, and I was Astonished at how many went unsold.

It's really odd to me that they are playing so much in the northeast on this leg since like you said, it didn't do that amazing the first go around... and now they are playing even more dates in the same area  ??? the NJ ticket sales so far are horrendous and they typically do very well in this area.  I also think the venue choice was poor.  Too big and not in the best area.  Would have loved to see them at the Beacon Theater again in NYC or at Count Basie theater in NJ (much smaller venue, but sold well there on the DT12 tour).

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« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2016, 01:04:46 PM »
Yeah. I'm shocked they're up this way again. I'd like to make one of the dates. Anything during the week is out, and the weekend shows currently listed aren't looking promising with my schedule.

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« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2016, 01:07:31 PM »
. I'd like to make one of the dates. Anything during the week is out, and the weekend shows currently listed aren't looking promising with my schedule.

Yup. I wish the Rochester NY and Worcester dates were switched. The TACS may have to make an autumn weekend trip to Portland.
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« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2016, 02:48:38 PM »
Particularly this time when it didn't even sell very well. But, as I said before, the South is a different logistical challenge.

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I thought they did ok for their US standards...
Yeah, I was actually being generous. It sold poorly. There were tons of empty seats in Ct. and NYC. Both should have been big sellers. At RCMH the entire 6th or so row was empty. I recall several people buying aftermarket tickets for both of those shows at a fraction of face value. Metty couldn't even give away his Phili tickets. A last minute buyer could have bought resells for $10, or first 6 rows for face. I pay a lot of attention to ticket sales, and I was Astonished at how many went unsold.


Looks like it's extended a few weeks after Nov 1, so they could be doing the Southern trip everyone is dying for.
Not dying for anything, myself. I'm bitching about the lack of a Southern US tour on general principle. As I've said, I blame the band every bit as much as I blame the promoters. Actually, probably more. If they come to Dallas I might go, depending on what tickets cost.Then again I might not.

If it is selling poorly, perhaps they should ditch the idea of "The Astonishing" only show and salvage their tour by opening up the setlist. If they made it clear that they were doing that, I'm sure it would sell much better. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed, assuming they do add the South. It wouldn't be that difficult for them to make a tactical change given their level of musicianship and the time before the tour starts up again. If it truly isn't selling very well, then holding on stubbornly to the notion of "The Astonishing" only isn't particularly a smart move.
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« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2016, 07:23:47 PM »
Or maybe they love playing the whole album.  Crazy to consider, I know, but even if shows aren't selling out, I am sure they are still making money.

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« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2016, 07:44:31 PM »
If they do have a Texas date, and I'm not holding my breath, I hope it's still TA in it's entirety setlist, I wanna experience this.
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« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2016, 07:46:36 PM »
Or maybe they love playing the whole album.  Crazy to consider, I know, but even if shows aren't selling out, I am sure they are still making money.
If that's true, it blows the argument that DT has to consider the business end of things as to why that haven't played certain regions. I will say, however, that most concerts these days don't sell out. Sell outs are a rarity.
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« Reply #132 on: August 17, 2016, 07:25:05 AM »
Or maybe they love playing the whole album.  Crazy to consider, I know, but even if shows aren't selling out, I am sure they are still making money.
If that's true, it blows the argument that DT has to consider the business end of things as to why that haven't played certain regions. I will say, however, that most concerts these days don't sell out. Sell outs are a rarity.

Not really.  If the show doesn't sell, I'm sure DT makes a guarantee payout and the promoter suffers the loss.  This is actually the likely reason why a promoter has not gotten DT to play the south... it may be a loss to the promoter.  I could be wrong here.  Although I am with you in that I think DT could put on a show in the south and not have it be a flop, but maybe statistics say something different, I don't know.

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« Reply #133 on: August 17, 2016, 08:44:05 AM »
If I'm a promoter, I'm looking at sales for the first leg of the tour and offering club gigs, which of course they won't accept. Realistically, there are some perfectly nice 1000 seat venues down here which they'd sell well, but they would never do that. And BlueHaze is right. Part of their problem is with the format this tour. Particularly up in the NE. The show, while quite good, was a cookie-cutter gig. Once you've seen it you've seen it. It has very little replay value, even for their fans.

Another consideration when discussing their touring is that they have a pretty fixed audience. They're not exactly attracting legions of new fans. If they sold 1200 seats playing a mixed set one tour, you can bet they're going to sell something pretty close to that on the next tour. It's not like a promoter is going to roll the dice thinking "this time they'll surely sell 2k!" What you can expect is that this tour will sell slightly under the last, since many who don't like the new album will sit this one out. Hell, just adding a proper encore would help their sales.
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« Reply #134 on: August 17, 2016, 08:55:52 AM »
If I'm a promoter, I'm looking at sales for the first leg of the tour and offering club gigs, which of course they won't accept. Realistically, there are some perfectly nice 1000 seat venues down here which they'd sell well, but they would never do that. And BlueHaze is right. Part of their problem is with the format this tour. Particularly up in the NE. The show, while quite good, was a cookie-cutter gig. Once you've seen it you've seen it. It has very little replay value, even for their fans.

I think I'm a minority with this album. I'm still listening to it almost daily on my drive home from work, and I would gladly see it live a half dozen more times. I think it's secured the #1 spot on my top DT albums list.

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« Reply #135 on: August 17, 2016, 09:01:51 AM »
If I'm a promoter, I'm looking at sales for the first leg of the tour and offering club gigs, which of course they won't accept. Realistically, there are some perfectly nice 1000 seat venues down here which they'd sell well, but they would never do that. And BlueHaze is right. Part of their problem is with the format this tour. Particularly up in the NE. The show, while quite good, was a cookie-cutter gig. Once you've seen it you've seen it. It has very little replay value, even for their fans.

I think I'm a minority with this album. I'm still listening to it almost daily on my drive home from work, and I would gladly see it live a half dozen more times. I think it's secured the #1 spot on my top DT albums list.
It's not a bad album, albeit a bit hokey for my tastes. I'd consider buying a cheap seat for a Dallas gig. But a whole lot of people, even those who like the album, aren't going to want to see it multiple times. This is a real departure from previous tours. Even once they adopted static setlists there was still some appeal to seeing multiple gigs because there's generally something for everybody. Now it's all or nothing. Either you like the album enough to see it multiple times your you don't.

I just looked at some ticket maps and it's indeed selling poorly. Some venues are pretty close to what I'd expect, albeit still short, but the problem is that DT is mostly going to sell all of their tickets in the first couple of days (hours, technically). The number of seats they sell between now and October is going to be pretty close to the number of seats they're sitting on and will release in the coming weeks. Frankly, I'd be surprised if the Bethlehem show even happens. It has the makings of a gig where they're giving away tickets just to get faces in there.

And a word of advice for the people attending the NJ gig: buy the cheapest nosebleed seats you can get. The day of the show they'll re-ticket the balcony seats and you'll probably wind up on the floor anyway, with the people who payed twice as much.
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« Reply #136 on: August 17, 2016, 09:08:49 AM »
And a word of advice for the people attending the NJ gig: buy the cheapest nosebleed seats you can get. The day of the show they'll re-ticket the balcony seats and you'll probably wind up on the floor anyway, with the people who payed twice as much.

I was thinking the exact same thing.  Had this happen once before for DT in NJ (granted they played a 17,000 capacity venue) so it was easier to know that I'd be getting a free upgrade.  I got a lawn seat and ended up in the ~20th row, right next to fellow DTFers who also got free upgrades.

It's also funny you mention the replay value.  I love TA, but what's really making me question going to the gig is not DT themselves or the performance of TA, but the way these shows are presented.  I don't really want to go to a broadway show to see DT, I want to go to a rock concert and the RCMH felt nothing like a rock concert, but a broadway show.  I want to stand, jump, sing, scream, and even use my camera at times.  I don't want ushers up my ass.  It's this reason and solely this reason that for someone like myself who just saw 311 6 times, is even questioning seeing a band I like a lot more than 311 a second time.

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« Reply #137 on: August 17, 2016, 09:16:50 AM »
Now that I think about it, I wouldn't even buy the $39 balcony seat looking for the inevitable upgrade. You'll probably be able to buy a floor seat for less than that the day of the show on Stubhub.
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« Reply #138 on: August 17, 2016, 01:24:55 PM »
If DT performed an evening with tour, with the first half being a scaled down version of The Astonishing and the second half being a mixed set list I would travel 4 hours to see them.  I do understand the folks that want to see The Astonishing in its entirety, but I would bet that tickets sales would significantly increase for an evening with mixed set.
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Re: New DT Tour dates
« Reply #139 on: August 17, 2016, 05:30:47 PM »
I actually saw TA on consecutive show dates (11/3-Denver and 11/5-Mesa), and while the shows each had an appeal to them, I don't think it's worth it for me to drive the 2 hrs (roughly) to see the same show again in Tucson, especially during the week.  While I can understand playing the full TA show to areas they missed on the first leg, it's surprising to me that they're repeating it in areas they already visited (or close to those areas).

On the other hand, it's probably pretty easy to just continue a show they've been doing for a bit now rather than have to change up all the visuals and lighting to play a mix of TA songs and other ones.  I hope they do sell a lot of tix for these new shows, but I think I'll be sitting this one out.