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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2016, 08:50:45 PM »
I haven't been medically diagnosed with anything yet, but I definitely have depression and anxiety. I'm pretty sure I've had it for years, but it's been especially bad the past few months. It took ages to convince my family to let me see a doctor (I am in my mid teens). Can't even get counselling/therapy for another few weeks, the waiting list is ridiculous. An older sibling eventually took me to see a doctor, and only after it got really bad. The doctor didn't even help, I was just referred to get cognitive behavioural therapy which, as I've mentioned, has a long waiting list.

My friends have had to talk me out of committing suicide, on multiple occasions.

I can't enjoy anything, not even music, including Dream Theater. Including Train of thought, which is my favourite album. I can never fully relax, I'm constantly on edge. I often spend half the night stressing and crying instead of sleeping, which has made me very sleep deprived.

It's hell and I have no way of coping.

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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2016, 10:12:47 PM »
Hey Ruby....just read your post and felt compelled to let you know that life is worth it. There's a quote from Winston Churchill where he says, "If you're going through hell, keep going."  I think you'd find the majority of the 'older' members here at DTF...including myself....have had some rough patches in our lives where it didn't feel like it was worth going on.

But, i can promise you that if you just "keep going" and trudge through....that the tough experiences will strengthen you so that the next time you face adversity or whatever it is you are that much more prepared and able to navigate those times with less stress and anxiety.

Not trying to downplay what you're going through now....just hoping to encourage you a bit. Is there something specific that you think could be fueling the depression you feel right now?
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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2016, 04:35:51 PM »
Thanks. There are a few things which are likely fuelling it, but I seem to feel anxious/depressed about everything.

I am home educated and never really go out and meet friends. The only friends I have are ones I met online. Talking to someone online is not the same as in person.

And I keep getting ill and throwing up. Probably because of sleep deprivation. I hate it.

And, well, the fact I can't enjoy anything doesn't help either...

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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2016, 05:43:16 AM »
My anxiety has been crippling lately. Very often it's an overarching nameless sourceless fear, though sometimes it's directly related to a stress.

It's exhausting.
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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2016, 06:18:34 PM »
Hi, just wanted to comment on this thread to share my story at the moment.

I don't suffer with any kind of depression or anxiety myself but my girlfriend and older brother both do and I struggle to try to help them.

My girlfriend's previous relationship was an abusive one and he wore her down mentally and physically. He has a lot to answer for. They have been separated for nearly two years and we've been together properly for about a year (but we met about 18 months ago). She is very down on herself, has this belief that she is fat and ugly (when the truth is she's beautiful and a perfectly 'normal' size), believes that no one actually likes here and that she will never amount to anything. Partly this comes from her ex, who made her believe a lot of this stuff. She has mentioned feeling suicidal and that she struggles to find joy in anything. It's really difficult because she's a naturally bubbly person, everyone likes her, she's life and soul of any gathering but on the inside she's very insecure. She has been attending counselling which helped but she wanted to get over the issues caused by her ex and be 'cured'. When this didn't happen she piled more pressure on herself, 'what's wrong with me, I should be over this by now' and that sort of thing. In fact it's gotten worse and she's struggling more than ever. She was on anti anxiety medication but stopped taking it earlier this year, I supported her through this as she wanted to be 'better' and not rely on medication. There's a lot going on with her and it's difficult to explain it all but I guess I'm asking what you guys generally feel is the best thing a loved one can do to help you? I'm very patient with her, explain that I love her for who she is regardless of her issues. I make it clear that I don't want to see her going through this all her life but at the same time I would love her if she did feel this way for the rest of her life. I don't think she believes me and this also feeds into the pressure she puts on herself as she thinks it will destroy our relationship, which in her head will be all her fault.

As one last thing I just want to say how I feel that modern life and technology exacerbates things like depression and anxiety. I've seen it loads and even feel it myself. In the modern world of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc, we are constantly living a life without less and less human contact and we are bombarded with images of people living life and doing all these amazing things we want to be doing. We all end up comparing ourselves to others and it ultimately can make us feel quite inadequate. My girlfriend has a love/hate relationship with things like Instagram, she gets inspired by certain things but also compares herself to a multitude of beautiful women which makes her feel fat and ugly.

One other thing about my girlfriend, she works as a senior support worker (as do I) supporting adults with learning disabilities. This can be a rewarding but VERY tiring job. She feels constantly exhausted because she works long hours and on top of that her mind is always working overtime overthinking everything about her life. We are in the process of saving to go travelling (another area she puts insane pressure on herself if she's not saving as much as she wants each month), we've both travelled before about 5 years ago. When we can both finally quit our jobs and experience life for a year or so I expect to see a massive change in her as we will escaped (for a while) the pressures of modern life and gotten away (somewhat) from technology.

Sorry for the wall of text. Opinions anyone?

I also never even got around to my older brothers issues. I'll save that for another time. Anyone who read all that, thank you.

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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2016, 08:04:58 PM »
Thanks. There are a few things which are likely fuelling it, but I seem to feel anxious/depressed about everything.

I am home educated and never really go out and meet friends. The only friends I have are ones I met online. Talking to someone online is not the same as in person.

And I keep getting ill and throwing up. Probably because of sleep deprivation. I hate it.

And, well, the fact I can't enjoy anything doesn't help either...

Certainly, risk factors here make it worse. Couple that with this time of your life being a transitory one, it can suck bad at times I am guessing. Another day gone is another day you made it through.   :)




My girlfriend's previous relationship was an abusive one and he wore her down mentally and physically. He has a lot to answer for. They have been separated for nearly two years and we've been together properly for about a year (but we met about 18 months ago). She is very down on herself, has this belief that she is fat and ugly (when the truth is she's beautiful and a perfectly 'normal' size), believes that no one actually likes here and that she will never amount to anything. Partly this comes from her ex, who made her believe a lot of this stuff. She has mentioned feeling suicidal and that she struggles to find joy in anything. It's really difficult because she's a naturally bubbly person, everyone likes her, she's life and soul of any gathering but on the inside she's very insecure. She has been attending counselling which helped but she wanted to get over the issues caused by her ex and be 'cured'. When this didn't happen she piled more pressure on herself, 'what's wrong with me, I should be over this by now' and that sort of thing. In fact it's gotten worse and she's struggling more than ever.


Depression and anxiety, and often I feel they are intertwined for people, can be bears. Depression feeds itself, the whole misery loves company concept. Until I started selling coping mechanisms daily in my present setting, I never fully bought into the "think positive" thing. But it is very true. At the same time, it's making it through distress for your girlfriend. Bad days, meh days, good days- they all come, and it's knowing that the storm will pass sometimes. Acknowledging the positive factors in one's life is the start, and re-build on those.

The hardest part about MH is that there is no cure, in that one takes 30 pills and the disorder goes away. That then leads to it being a daily struggle to get through symptoms at times for many disorders. My personal stuff is just that too. Somedays is autopilot, some days it's stay in bed all day if I could. I parallel addictions here, because the behaviors are not too far apart. Clearly someone addicted knows not to take stuff, much like someone who is depressed knows being lethargic won't work. But both still do it. So with your girlfriend, having stuff reinforced again is what it is about. I use this with resistant people, who say "that stuff (coping) doesn't work." Of course it doesn't with half measures. I frame it with AA/NA too, in that many people go daily for long stretches of time. They know the better way for them, but hearing it reinforces the resolve. And I'm not trying to imply your girlfriend is using half measures, just that at times we get led astray.


She was on anti anxiety medication but stopped taking it earlier this year, I supported her through this as she wanted to be 'better' and not rely on medication.



Psychiatric medication IMO is only required for two and half specific spectrum of disorders, which are generally the most debilitating ones. They are a useful tool, but just take the edge off when used as prescribed. They do bring physical long term damage, as over a long period of time; Elavil causes the heart to break down, some mood stabilizers take out kidneys, and anti-psychotic medications slowly dull the brain. In your girlfriend's case, I would say down the road active therapy and usage of thecniques should be enough. But, I am not a medical doctor or advance practice nurse, so take that as you see fit.  ;D



There's a lot going on with her and it's difficult to explain it all but I guess I'm asking what you guys generally feel is the best thing a loved one can do to help you? I'm very patient with her, explain that I love her for who she is regardless of her issues. I make it clear that I don't want to see her going through this all her life but at the same time I would love her if she did feel this way for the rest of her life.


Keep doing what your doing. Stay away from any judgements in front of her, and of course don't say cheer up or something.  ;) Encourage her to keep at it, and do things that she enjoys. Gently try to egg her on to go back to therapy.




As one last thing I just want to say how I feel that modern life and technology exacerbates things like depression and anxiety. I've seen it loads and even feel it myself. In the modern world of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc, we are constantly living a life without less and less human contact and we are bombarded with images of people living life and doing all these amazing things we want to be doing. We all end up comparing ourselves to others and it ultimately can make us feel quite inadequate. My girlfriend has a love/hate relationship with things like Instagram, she gets inspired by certain things but also compares herself to a multitude of beautiful women which makes her feel fat and ugly.

One other thing about my girlfriend, she works as a senior support worker (as do I) supporting adults with learning disabilities. This can be a rewarding but VERY tiring job. She feels constantly exhausted because she works long hours and on top of that her mind is always working overtime overthinking everything about her life. We are in the process of saving to go travelling (another area she puts insane pressure on herself if she's not saving as much as she wants each month), we've both travelled before about 5 years ago. When we can both finally quit our jobs and experience life for a year or so I expect to see a massive change in her as we will escaped (for a while) the pressures of modern life and gotten away (somewhat) from technology.



Yup, technology will eventually be classified as an addiction. Virtual Reality, if it gets adopted fully by consumers, will add a whole new layer.

It seems like you guys have high burn-out type jobs. Working in the care field is basically like this across the board, so just saying this could certainly enhance her negative emotions. She has to be on top of it for her job, so then her personal life can easily crumble.
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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2016, 08:16:13 PM »
Well, I think you are mostly doing the right things with your girlfriend and it seems like you are supportive in whatever decisions she makes. What has she told you is the extent of her suicidal thoughts?
Aside from that (which would require more intervention if she were seriously considering it), there isn't a whole lot you can "do" aside from love and support her. And honestly, it's often not about saying the right thing (because there rarely IS a right thing) but just being a presence for somebody. This is something I've learned a lot about in my years of being a social worker with people at a very difficult time in their lIves (dealing with getting old/dying or losing a loved one). Really, when somebody is depressed and feeling all kinds of negative things, words probably aren't going to mean a whole lot. At least they didn't for me in my darker times. But knowing somebody is there is comforting.
I will say that although something like traveling can be temporarily great for the mood, it's not going to change her overall state of mind, especially if she's dealing with depression and trauma from past abuse. That shit does not just go away. I get the whole having a rough, exhausting job thing, very well, and sure eliminating that stressor may help for a while, but it really just makes room for other types of stressors, or helps mask things for a while.

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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2016, 04:54:02 PM »
So, tonight I'll be taking a deep breath and a sip of scotch, as I hit "send" on an email to my dad, for the first time talking about the emotional abuse I suffered at the hands of my mother while growing up (she's a narcissist).  They're still together.  This will be...interesting.
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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2016, 05:01:11 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2016, 06:08:36 PM »
So, tonight I'll be taking a deep breath and a sip of scotch, as I hit "send" on an email to my dad, for the first time talking about the emotional abuse I suffered at the hands of my mother while growing up (she's a narcissist).  They're still together.  This will be...interesting.

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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2016, 07:18:18 PM »
I've come within inches of cutting my dad out of my life, and can never do it. I am not that kind of person and the man helped raise me. He didn't do a very good job of it, and unfortunately a lot of the memories I have with him aren't good ones, bit he still provided for my family and was there when I needed at times.

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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2016, 09:04:22 PM »
The last couple of years of my life have been nothing short of an intense roller coaster ride, and I fucking hate roller coasters with a passion. My anxiety flew off the charts, my depression was in full swing as a toxic relationship reminded me why masturbation doesn't break hearts just wrists, and I fully came in touch with being an empath. I tried medication for my anxiety but the side effects crippled me literally and sexually, so now I'm on to natural remedies which have actually helped to subside the anxiety. The depression still reveals itself and being an empath is extremely exhausting mentally. I cry at least once a day, over...nothing at all sometimes. Some days I'm so horny as fuck that I can't wait for morning to fuck the crack of dawn. Other days I feel like becoming an asexual creature. There's something about not being sexually tied to someone that gets me off harder than a Belladonna porno. Tonight is not one of those nights, though. I'm wrestling with a literary deadline so I'm neck deep in bourbon and trying to get out the last words to finish up this story. I was told not to make it too graphic so I had to hold back a bit. It's definitely dark, though.

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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2016, 09:11:54 PM »
Did it.  Hitting "send" felt like hitting a detonator, blowing up 40 years of a family lie.  Whatever happens, I can handle it.

I'm now sipping on some scotch, working on the design for the tattoo that is in part a commemoration of having finally spoken the truth, and has some other messages/meanings to it as well...
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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2016, 06:41:19 AM »
I've been better the past week or so, but I'm still having bizarre dreams that leave me rather restbroken and waking with a lot of anxiety that takes a while to go away.I can never really tell if I'm on the mend or just levelling out before plunging again.
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2016, 12:16:42 PM »
And that better week has evaporated and my anxiety is back in force. This is utterly exhausting.
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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2016, 12:24:41 PM »
And that better week has evaporated and my anxiety is back in force. This is utterly exhausting.

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2016, 12:38:02 PM »
Heh thanks. Nothing in particular has happened that is triggering, I'm just enduring this wave of it.
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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2016, 01:28:43 PM »
At work, so can't really take the time to type out my issues, but subscribing and hope to later!

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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2016, 06:58:02 AM »
Had a rough day on Friday at the office and it's weighing on me all weekend. My anxiety has been through the roof and I'm having an incredibly hard time functioning. I hate that I do this to myself but I honestly feel totally out of control.
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2016, 09:25:32 PM »
Then there's the guilt that comes along with it. I get paid a stupid amount for what I actually do on a daily basis. There are people that would kill for my job and they'd do it for a third of my salary without blinking an eye. Then there are people in shitholes around this planet that make mud bricks for 18 hours a day in 100 degree heat for about $3.00 a week. I should have literally zero reason to be unhappy with my current life situation, but at the end of the day, the darkness is still there.



This drives me nuts and it's something I think about all the time about how people have it more rough than me and I don't know why I feel so guilty.

I have a few issues, one of which is being able to focus. I really can't focus or even sit still. I have to be doing something all the time and I fill my day up with hobbies until I sleep. I don't even feel like I enjoy my hobbies some of the time but I feel this crushing guilt for just sitting there and not doing anything.

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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2016, 03:13:40 PM »
I know the feeling, Hyperplex. =/

I'm always scared of losing control. I regularly feel like I'm going to.

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« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2016, 11:51:02 AM »
I'm sorry I never saw this reply, I've been away from the boards for a while due to things, and just saw it.

I still haven't called a therapist, and while I survived and got through the work stress that pushed me so dangerously close to the edge, I can feel that my mind is not at ease, and even in the absence of the anxiety, the usual lowness is still always there.

To put it simply, I am deeply tired; to the bone, to my core, just completely drained and exhausted and it isn't something sleep can fix.
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« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2016, 12:44:25 PM »
Did it.  Hitting "send" felt like hitting a detonator, blowing up 40 years of a family lie.  Whatever happens, I can handle it.

I'm now sipping on some scotch, working on the design for the tattoo that is in part a commemoration of having finally spoken the truth, and has some other messages/meanings to it as well...

I'm curious to know what kind of reaction the letter had. Anger or acceptance are the two ways I see it going.



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« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2016, 09:09:58 PM »
Did it.  Hitting "send" felt like hitting a detonator, blowing up 40 years of a family lie.  Whatever happens, I can handle it.

I'm now sipping on some scotch, working on the design for the tattoo that is in part a commemoration of having finally spoken the truth, and has some other messages/meanings to it as well...

I'm curious to know what kind of reaction the letter had. Anger or acceptance are the two ways I see it going.

I got quite a reaction, and not the one I was expecting...a four page letter (clearly one aided by bourbon) about his own experiences with my mom and with his own upbringing.  All completely confirming what a raging narcissist my mother is, and how she preyed on his weaknesses from his own parents having treated him poorly.  That was followed up by a long phone call (again aided by bourbon on both sides), that at one point had him summarize things as "so yeah, she's a real fuckin' bitch".  He didn't completely understand how my experiences had shaped me and the battles I still have to fight as a result, but he heard me out.  Overall, it turned out better than what i would have thought the best-case scenario would have been.  And it definitely felt freeing, and perhaps more importantly, validating.  This wasn't all in my head, despite her gaslighting.

And I did get that tattoo.
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« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2016, 04:06:56 AM »
Did it.  Hitting "send" felt like hitting a detonator, blowing up 40 years of a family lie.  Whatever happens, I can handle it.

I'm now sipping on some scotch, working on the design for the tattoo that is in part a commemoration of having finally spoken the truth, and has some other messages/meanings to it as well...

I'm curious to know what kind of reaction the letter had. Anger or acceptance are the two ways I see it going.

I got quite a reaction, and not the one I was expecting...a four page letter (clearly one aided by bourbon) about his own experiences with my mom and with his own upbringing.  All completely confirming what a raging narcissist my mother is, and how she preyed on his weaknesses from his own parents having treated him poorly.  That was followed up by a long phone call (again aided by bourbon on both sides), that at one point had him summarize things as "so yeah, she's a real fuckin' bitch".  He didn't completely understand how my experiences had shaped me and the battles I still have to fight as a result, but he heard me out.  Overall, it turned out better than what i would have thought the best-case scenario would have been.  And it definitely felt freeing, and perhaps more importantly, validating.  This wasn't all in my head, despite her gaslighting.

And I did get that tattoo.

That is some heavy duty stuff. I am glad to hear you are getting some catharsis on it though.


My mother was also a narcissist. A delusional, manipulative, lazy, childish, controlling, pathetic, lying, stupid animal, so I most certainly feel your pain. I was very lucky to have been able to walk out of my house they day after high school graduation and never looked back. That was 10 years ago and I haven't said a word to her since. It was the best decision of my life.





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« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2016, 06:50:12 AM »
My mother-in-law treated her daughters, mostly targeting my wife but also her younger sister, like such shit growing up, and she continues to be a manipulative, neurotic, bordering pyschopathic (I mean clinically) bitch. I really won't go into all of it here, but she's been abusive to them, and to the rest of her family, including her parents, her entire life.

Sometimes I wonder if the products of these types of parents, our generation, will rise above and create a generation of more caring, supportive parents, or if the patterns are more likely to continue. I know personally, I do my damnedest to NOT repeat the way my father raised, and want my kids to have a much better relationship with me, and hopefully better upbringings as a result. All I really want is to give my kids and my family and good life, that they will value and use to their advantage as all of us grow.
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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2016, 08:32:07 AM »
My mother-in-law treated her daughters, mostly targeting my wife but also her younger sister, like such shit growing up, and she continues to be a manipulative, neurotic, bordering pyschopathic (I mean clinically) bitch. I really won't go into all of it here, but she's been abusive to them, and to the rest of her family, including her parents, her entire life.

Sometimes I wonder if the products of these types of parents, our generation, will rise above and create a generation of more caring, supportive parents, or if the patterns are more likely to continue. I know personally, I do my damnedest to NOT repeat the way my father raised, and want my kids to have a much better relationship with me, and hopefully better upbringings as a result. All I really want is to give my kids and my family and good life, that they will value and use to their advantage as all of us grow.

The key here is self-awareness...if we understand what happened, why, and it's impacts, we can stop the cycle because we are monitoring our own emotions, actions and impacts.  And you very clearly have self-awareness.
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Re: The Mental Health Thread - Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2016, 02:09:52 PM »
My mother was also a narcissist. A delusional, manipulative, lazy, childish, controlling, pathetic, lying, stupid animal, so I most certainly feel your pain. I was very lucky to have been able to walk out of my house they day after high school graduation and never looked back. That was 10 years ago and I haven't said a word to her since. It was the best decision of my life.

My womb donor is a Grade-A narcissist as well. Her abuse wasn't physical, because that would leave visible evidence--she chose the verbal/mental/emotional route. I should have done what you did but when I was 16 and moved to my dad's after my sophomore year in high school I wasn't strong enough to cut her out completely at that time. I finally did at 39. Such a liberating feeling. I still have moments because of it, but I'm overall much happier without her and my brother (who contributed to the abuse) in my life.

Sometimes I wonder if the products of these types of parents, our generation, will rise above and create a generation of more caring, supportive parents, or if the patterns are more likely to continue.

The abuse I suffered caused me to make the decision to not have children. I was that emotionally damaged. I will say this, however - I was always of the mindset that "the buck stops here". I've made huge strides to NOT continue or perpetuate that cycle. So much so that I treated both of Weymo's daughters (and still do) with the dignity, respect, and decency that I never got from the womb donor growing up. It showed me that while I could have been a great parent, I made the right choice.

The key here is self-awareness...if we understand what happened, why, and it's impacts, we can stop the cycle because we are monitoring our own emotions, actions and impacts.  And you very clearly have self-awareness.

YES. So much YES.

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« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2016, 02:31:37 PM »
The very essence of who I am has become my family. I've always loved my wife, who I am now very happy to say has been a part of my life for longer than she ever wasn't (that is to say, I'm 34, we've been together for more than 17 years now, so she's been with me for more than half my life). Our kids are the absolute blood in our veins, our heartbeats. I know it's cheesy and mushy and will probably make 90% of the board vomit into their throats, but their existence, their well-being, is why I exist now. And if I were to make them feel the types of things I had been made to feel over the years, it would kill me inside. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. All I want is to be good to them, for them.

When Eric was first born, maybe he was 4 weeks old, it was the first time I had to work late after he came around. And my wife had kept him up so I could see him before he went to sleep. When I walked into his room, he saw me and his whole body relaxed. He just stared at me and I could tell he was content. And in that very instant, I was struck by a very real and deep realization: I had never in my life felt that way about my own dad. When he came home, I tensed up. I didn't relax, I didn't find comfort in his presence. I was afraid, nervous, and on edge. That single visceral moment kicked off a rather vivid bit of soulsearching as for the first time in my life I suddenly realized the "fatherly" feelings my father never seemed to feel for me, or my sister for that matter. To me, even today, when Eric or Emily want to sit next to me in front of the TV, I will change whatever I'm watching to something for them, because I'd rather watch their show with them than my show alone. Flash back to my youth, if I wanted to do ANYTHING with my dad, it had to be what he wanted to do, never what I wanted. That's just a minor, not particularly traumatic example, but it's the kind of little thing I noticed when I became a dad. I realized my dad made me and my sister feel like we didn't matter. Even before coming to these realizations, I never wanted to do that to my kids. I want them to feel like they are as special as they really are to me, and to never feel like they just happen to be around me because they have to be.

Okay word vomit there, sorry. tl:dr I love my kids and don't want to treat them the way my father treated me, as I've said before.

Those of you who know me personally know I am very self-critical. From the moment my wife was pregnant with Eric, my number one fear was being a bad father. I like to think I'm pretty good at it, but I always see faults in myself that I want to iron out. But I will say, when the kids see me and come running because they are happy I'm home, it feels like I'm doing alright.
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« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2016, 02:34:46 PM »
Debra - I feel you should be commended on making the right choice for yourself. So many people are quick to pass judgment on others' life choices, because they don't fit into that person's narrow mold of what "life should be." The fact that you feel you've made the right choice based on how things have ended up for you is even better. It shows that you not only know yourself, but you had the foresight and self-awareness to act on it in the right way.


I probably should see someone to talk through my issues, because they do go a lot deeper than even I realized. And they aren't all from my dad, either. I would venture to say a good 85% of the shit that storms around in my head and masquerades as my psyche is of my own creation, or at least my own manifestation. I just haven't grown the pair I need to pick up the fucking phone and call someone.
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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2016, 06:49:48 AM »

Those of you who know me personally know I am very self-critical. From the moment my wife was pregnant with Eric, my number one fear was being a bad father. I like to think I'm pretty good at it, but I always see faults in myself that I want to iron out. But I will say, when the kids see me and come running because they are happy I'm home, it feels like I'm doing alright.

The people who fear whether they will be bad parents or question if they are doing the right thing are usually very good parents.  It's those who never ask the question or never have that fear that turn pout to be bad ones.  So I think Eric and Emily are in good hands.

And yes, it would really help you to talk to a therapist.  You're going through life dragging a 100 pound emotional weight behind you...you deserve to be unchained form that, and a therapist can help with hat tremendously.
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Re: The Mental Health Thread - Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2016, 09:59:47 PM »
Things are a balance. While being self-critical is vital, and feeling one can usually do better is important. At the same time, recognizing you are doing well and are good at things is just as important.
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