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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #315 on: March 24, 2017, 08:12:50 PM »
Devin Booker just poured in 70 on the Celtics in a 130-120 loss in a game that was NEVER close. WOW!
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« Reply #316 on: March 24, 2017, 11:38:36 PM »
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« Reply #317 on: March 26, 2017, 09:39:05 PM »
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« Reply #318 on: March 27, 2017, 08:20:33 AM »
Devin Booker just poured in 70 on the Celtics in a 130-120 loss in a game that was NEVER close. WOW!

I actually watched that Suns @ Celtics game twice (I have the NBA League Pass)... sort of... I watched the entire Q4 twice! Honestly, that game really wasn't THAT exciting until about 5 minutes left, when Booker suddenly made a few crazy shots in a row; and pushed his points total past 50. Still, scoring 70 pts is special. I only scored 70 or more ONCE in NBA 2K, lol!  :lol And as I was watching that game, I was surprised to know that not even Barkley scored 50 as a Sun. I thought he did... yet Tony Delk once scored 50+ points... I've completely forgotten that name, lol!  :lol
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #319 on: March 27, 2017, 08:42:17 AM »
I have no idea who I want to win the Cleveland/San Antonio game.  I mean, logic says Cleveland, to help the Warriors sew up the #1 seed.  But rooting for the Cavs?  Just...no.
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« Reply #320 on: March 27, 2017, 08:47:34 AM »
I have no idea who I want to win the Cleveland/San Antonio game.  I mean, logic says Cleveland, to help the Warriors sew up the #1 seed.  But rooting for the Cavs?  Just...no.

It has been a long enough season as it is, I would so take a night off and rest @ Spurs if I were LBJ, lol!  :lol
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #321 on: March 27, 2017, 08:56:55 AM »
Hard to see that happening though with them now trailing the Celtics for the #1 seed.
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« Reply #322 on: March 27, 2017, 09:01:53 AM »
Hard to see that happening though with them now trailing the Celtics for the #1 seed.

True, the C's do have a good chance in stealing the #1 seed from the LeBrons, but then aside from tonight's game @ Spurs, the rest of the LeBrons' schedule isn't that tough at all. In fact, they even face the C's once more in Boston. With a 2-1 season series lead, the LeBrons still have an upper hand in getting the #1 seed... unless they somehow fall to the Hawks (twice) or the Raptors in the regular season finale.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #323 on: March 27, 2017, 09:16:26 AM »
I just think that the Cavs will turn it on in the playoffs and the C's haven't got out of the first round 2 years in a row.  As a C's fan I need to see them with a round or 2 before I buy in.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #324 on: March 27, 2017, 10:59:41 AM »
I have no idea who I want to win the Cleveland/San Antonio game.  I mean, logic says Cleveland, to help the Warriors sew up the #1 seed.  But rooting for the Cavs?  Just...no.

The Spurs then play the Warriors on Wednesday and OKC on Friday. Tough week for them so you shouldn't worry even if they beat Cleveland
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #325 on: March 27, 2017, 11:10:20 AM »
Yeah, but at least the Spurs get a day in between.  The Warriors play Houston tomorrow night, so they will the Spurs as the end of a back-to-back.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #326 on: March 27, 2017, 12:35:58 PM »
That sucks for them....



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« Reply #327 on: March 27, 2017, 07:33:54 PM »
Judging by the half time scores, I thought LBJ actually took my advice and went get a night off, lol!  :biggrin:
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #328 on: March 27, 2017, 07:34:38 PM »
We are watching that game too. Spurs look good!
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« Reply #329 on: March 27, 2017, 10:02:01 PM »
Still 7.  Hoping for 4 by Wednesday night.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #330 on: March 28, 2017, 06:49:23 AM »
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #331 on: March 28, 2017, 01:39:07 PM »
The Wolves' season just tanked the last six games. Tough schedule, but they should have won more than a few of those. Sucks. I am happy, however, that Boston jumped in front of Cleveland. I'm a big fan of Isaiah Thomas (loved it when he played for the Kings, my friend's son interviewed him, really nice guy), and glad to see he is getting MVP mentions and finding success.

MVP voting for me if done today:

Westbrook - can't deny the man has put that team on his shoulders and willed an injured and not overly talented or deep team to the playoffs. And man, in what a way, the triple-double machine.

Thomas - dude is listed at 5'9", but that is with his sneakers on. He's barely 5'7" and talk about shouldering the load. Not quite at the Westbrook level, but close enough. Any other year, and he'd probably win MVP. Just a gamer. Not quite the same handle as old school A.I., but he has a better jump shot. Dude is a stud. Hopefully he can excel in they playoffs and get that max extension he deserves. Rooting for him.

James - not gonna lie. I dislike how smug and fake Lebron is. But there is absolutely no denying how game-changing a player he is. Is he MJ? No. Is he Magic? Not quite. But he's a hell of a hybrid who gets a ton of shit because he bailed on Cleveland to go play for Miami. And I admit, I am one of those who continue to be jaded by his actions off the court (and his whiny behavior on it). But in a season where he lost Kevin Love, and J.R. Smith (who sucks, but story for another day), he's obviously right at the forefront of the MVP race.

Harden - I hate putting Beard man this low. But I have to. Arguably, he should be just under Westbrook. But here's the thing. Houston is a pretty deep team, and they run an offensive system catered to padding the statistics of the point guard. And Westbrook, already being a perennial all star, has completely reaped the benefits of that system. And I am happy for him. But it's a double-edged sword, because he wouldn't have nearly the same numbers not having the ball in his hands constantly. He'd be more like 25/5/5, which is a great year, but not MVP caliber in the league. So with apologies to Harden and Rockets fans, he has taken a hit in my book.

Leonard - with the exception of my Timberwolves trio, my favorite player in the league. Just a defensive beast, and has taken his offensive game to such killer heights (and I think he'll only get better). But playing for the Spurs, in that system, with a deep team, again, I think that hurts his chances. The Spurs would be successful without him. No, they wouldn't be as high as they are in the standings, but they'd still win 50 without him. I can't say that about any other team on this list. So for that reason, I feel Leonard is just a step below.

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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #332 on: March 28, 2017, 07:09:16 PM »
To me, Harden has pulled about even with James in the MVP race.

Westbrook is fun to watch, but his manufactured triple doubles are overrated once you read and see how he dogs it on defense to get rebounds and how his teammates frequently box out to make sure no one gets the rebound but him. 

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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #333 on: March 28, 2017, 08:15:22 PM »
Bosk right now


Heck no, I'm enjoying the ride!  Now if you wanted to apply that gif to this particular game right now, that's a different story. 

But I AM raging at the NBA for the fact that a marquee game like Warriors/Rockets at this stage in the season is not televised for people who choose to not be ripped off and subscribe to NBATV.  >:(

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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #334 on: March 28, 2017, 09:20:35 PM »
If I have a vote, I am so voting for Kawhi Leonard of the Spurs. Kawhi has been a monster on both ends. He has been known for his defense for years, but it is his offensive skills that turn me into a fan of his these days! He reminds me of Kobe at times, and even he admits he stole a few moves from Kobe... watching him play both ends is really cool.

RW is my first runner up for MVP... Harden is good, but he only plays one end of the floor... lol!  :lol
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #335 on: March 28, 2017, 10:21:43 PM »
Maybe I'm being a homer here, but DeRozan should be in the MVP discussion.  He's 5th in the league in scoring, and carried the Raptors after Lowry went down with surgery.  If not for the overall team funk after the All-Star break where they went 5-11, they'd be in the thick of it for #1 in the East.
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« Reply #336 on: March 28, 2017, 10:28:01 PM »
HUGE win for the Blazers over the Nuggets!! They are now the new owner of the #8 spot out west with a full game in front of these same Nuggets.

...and Lakers... please don't beat them Wiz... LOL!  :lol  :facepalm:
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #337 on: March 29, 2017, 05:37:53 AM »
To me, Harden has pulled about even with James in the MVP race.


James - not gonna lie. I dislike how smug and fake Lebron is. But there is absolutely no denying how game-changing a player he is. Is he MJ? No. Is he Magic? Not quite. But he's a hell of a hybrid who gets a ton of shit because he bailed on Cleveland to go play for Miami. And I admit, I am one of those who continue to be jaded by his actions off the court (and his whiny behavior on it). But in a season where he lost Kevin Love, and J.R. Smith (who sucks, but story for another day), he's obviously right at the forefront of the MVP race.


There's no way I can consider James as MVP. Sure, he's the best player in the league, but I don't feel like the Cavs are having a great season. I mean, aren't they expected to win the 1st seed? And they may, but they have certainly not done it in overwhelming fashion. In fact, for much of the season, the Cavs have been underwhelming. No way I can consider James for MVP. Not this year.


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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #338 on: March 29, 2017, 05:59:12 AM »
Maybe I'm being a homer here, but DeRozan should be in the MVP discussion.  He's 5th in the league in scoring, and carried the Raptors after Lowry went down with surgery.  If not for the overall team funk after the All-Star break where they went 5-11, they'd be in the thick of it for #1 in the East.

The guy is amazing.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #339 on: March 29, 2017, 06:08:49 AM »
Maybe I'm being a homer here, but DeRozan should be in the MVP discussion.  He's 5th in the league in scoring, and carried the Raptors after Lowry went down with surgery.  If not for the overall team funk after the All-Star break where they went 5-11, they'd be in the thick of it for #1 in the East.

The guy is amazing.

Demar gets a lot of unwarranted crap from people. At the end of the day, he's a really good player, even if his style of play is like something out of a time machine. I did not expect my Raptors to play this well without Lowry, but they've been awesome, and Demar is a huge reason why.
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« Reply #340 on: March 29, 2017, 06:11:41 AM »
To me, Harden has pulled about even with James in the MVP race.


James - not gonna lie. I dislike how smug and fake Lebron is. But there is absolutely no denying how game-changing a player he is. Is he MJ? No. Is he Magic? Not quite. But he's a hell of a hybrid who gets a ton of shit because he bailed on Cleveland to go play for Miami. And I admit, I am one of those who continue to be jaded by his actions off the court (and his whiny behavior on it). But in a season where he lost Kevin Love, and J.R. Smith (who sucks, but story for another day), he's obviously right at the forefront of the MVP race.


There's no way I can consider James as MVP. Sure, he's the best player in the league, but I don't feel like the Cavs are having a great season. I mean, aren't they expected to win the 1st seed? And they may, but they have certainly not done it in overwhelming fashion. In fact, for much of the season, the Cavs have been underwhelming. No way I can consider James for MVP. Not this year.

See, that goes back to whole Michael Jordan thing.  He is expected to be great, so he is taken for granted.  Think of it this way: LeBron James, one of the best players ever, is having one of his best seasons ever.  Career highs in assists and rebounds per game, his 3rd best 3 pt-shooting season to date, his 3rd best field goal percentage to date, etc.  And, unlike James Harden and Russell Westbrook, he actually plays defense.

The thing that cracks me up about the Westbrook love is many continue to ignore the fact that he is not an efficient player.  He's a 42% shooter!!   He continues to be a terrible 3-point shooter, yet heaves up 7 per game.  Brilliant.

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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #341 on: March 29, 2017, 06:17:51 AM »
  No way I can consider James for MVP. Not this year.

See, that goes back to whole Michael Jordan thing.  He is expected to be great, so he is taken for granted.   

So we just give it to the best player?

I mean, why hasn't Bill Belichick won Coach Of The Year every year?
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« Reply #342 on: March 29, 2017, 06:45:53 AM »
I'm with Azyiu here, Leonard deserves the MVP because he is a beast on both ends of the court. He's able to shut down or at least slow down any player he's up against, he's become a scoring machine and he can win a game both on offense and on defense. I agree that the fact that he's on the Spurs hurts his chances because they're a well oiled machine but I don't think they would be close to the second spot in the west if he wasn't there.

The fact that Harden is in this discussion to me is a joke, he's putting up great numbers on offense but he doesn't play any defense at that hurts his team most times than not in games against good teams.
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« Reply #343 on: March 29, 2017, 07:44:49 AM »
While I agree that Leonard's 2-way player case is very strong, the fact is that, historically, being a quality 2-way player has not been a requirement for all MVP winners. Steph Curry, not a great defender. Steve Nash, Dirk -- also lackluster on D. I'm sure there are many more examples if you go through the list.

I also don't understand people criticizing Harden like he's putting up empty numbers or something... he's driving a system that's working really well. Did people begrudge Steve Nash his MVPs because he "always had the ball in his hand?" It's not like Harden is only looking for points; he's leading the league in assists, while also scoring almost 30 a game. That's ridiculous. And I'm not even a big Harden fan. Not to say he's the clear number 1 by any stretch, but he's right there at the top of the list for me.

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« Reply #344 on: March 29, 2017, 07:51:40 AM »
Best =/= Most Valuable

The criteria is so subjective, that it warrants these kinds of discussions, and the intangibles usually don't lead to a definitive favorite.  Though (imo), it's a 2-horse race between Westbrook and Thomas.  Where would either team be without them?  OKC... undoubtably out of the playoffs; Boston... certainly not 1st in the east.
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« Reply #345 on: March 29, 2017, 08:00:06 AM »
Yeah, the criteria is undefined, certainly. But where would Houston be without Harden? Just a bunch of spot-up 3 point shooters with no one to get them the ball, right? I think Houston would be just as bad as OKC or Boston would be without their respective franchise guys. Also, IT isn't a good defender, either, so why is (lack of) defense only hurting Harden's case? Westbrook, too, isn't a good defender. LeBron hasn't been particularly good on that end this season, either, though he's certainly capable come playoff time. Leonard is the only one making a 2-way case, so I don't know why Harden is being singled out as the non-defender (which he most certainly is guilty of, just not the only one).

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« Reply #346 on: March 29, 2017, 08:01:24 AM »
My take on the MVP race is something along the lines of:

1. Harden - The advanced metrics don't like him quite as much as the conventional stats, but he's the main driver of a historically great offense and his usage is off the charts. Hard for me to ignore what he's doing.

2. Leonard - I'm warming up to the possibility that he deserves the number one spot. The Spurs don't depend on him to the same degree as the Rockets, Thunder, and Cavs depend on their main guy, but he takes San Antonio from good to great, which should not be underestimated.

3. Westbrook - His numbers are off the charts and he's made the Thunder relevant by himself. I think that the team would be absolutely awful without him.

4. James - What he's doing at age 32 and year 14 is borderline unprecedented. I think the other candidates have been a little better, and I'm also docking him points for blatantly not giving a crap half the time.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #347 on: March 29, 2017, 08:49:37 AM »
Maybe I'm being a homer here, but DeRozan should be in the MVP discussion.  He's 5th in the league in scoring, and carried the Raptors after Lowry went down with surgery.  If not for the overall team funk after the All-Star break where they went 5-11, they'd be in the thick of it for #1 in the East.

In my rankings, Derozan finishes 6th for mvp. Outstanding year. Love his game.

P.s. regarding westbrook's 42 percent shooting...what was iverson's when he won mvp (and like westbrook, deserves it)?
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #348 on: March 29, 2017, 08:52:02 AM »
Maybe I'm being a homer here, but DeRozan should be in the MVP discussion.  He's 5th in the league in scoring, and carried the Raptors after Lowry went down with surgery.  If not for the overall team funk after the All-Star break where they went 5-11, they'd be in the thick of it for #1 in the East.

In my rankings, Derozan finishes 6th for mvp. Outstanding year. Love his game.

That's fair. I wouldn't put him top-3, but top 5/6 is completely fair.
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Re: NBA thread 2016-17 v. The Age of The Land?
« Reply #349 on: March 29, 2017, 08:54:28 AM »
After wiggins, towns, lavine, leonard, and thomas, derozan is my next favorite player. Hope the Raptors do well. When is lowry back?
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