Author Topic: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead  (Read 4937 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #140 on: July 29, 2016, 03:18:43 AM »
No cast announced yet, or a confirmed era (aside from being prime timeline), although it was mentioned somewhere by Fuller that there were some well known actors from other liked shows, and a good amount of diversity. Looking forward to when they announce that.

Yeah Trek needs to return to the small screen.  Can't wait.

What's your (and anyone else) preference of the shows so far?

1. DS9
2. TOS
3. TNG.
4. Enterprise.
5. Voyager.

1 & 2 are so close.  Heart says TOS.  Head says DS9. 

Edit : Fucking hell just seen there is a massive Trek thread on this site.   Feel free to reply to this in there as this is more for Beyond discussion.

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24190
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #141 on: July 29, 2016, 10:52:09 PM »
Okay, just got back from Beyond.

Not bad actually. I'll do the pros and cons as bullet points because I'm terribly lazy.

Pros.
- Really digging Kirk and Bones.
- That new alien chick was awesome
- Alien starfleet girl with the face hugger for hair was fun
- Lots of nice character interactions, specifically between Scotty and alien lady, and Spock and Bones
- Nice to see Chekov get some screen time
- That damn space station. Good god that thing was glorious. I'd watch a 5 hour documentary just about that thing.
- Chekov's line at the end about whiskey (or scotch) being a Russian invention was the only time Chekov hearkened back to the original Chekov.
- Very cool new Enterprise at the end.
- Finally a universal translator that makes some damn sense (this will also appear on the cons list)

Cons
- Despite being a fine character in his own right, there's no similarity in personality between the two Spocks. They are completely different entities.
- The bad guy was just dumb, such a waste of Idris Elba. Boring revenge dude with a lot of convoluted nonsense as a backstory.
- The entire 3rd act was horrible (sorry Kotow). A god damn space cloud?!?! Haven't we had enough space clouds? Destroyed by Beastie Boys? Eh. And the fight with Kirk and Kral has a few cool moments but the futility of Krawl's character just rendered it meaningless to me. There were no stakes at all. We knew Kirk would win, and we (at least I) didn't care at all about Krawl, so it was just a fight to have a fight.
- They have to fall off a cliff? Ugh, what a useless scene. We didn't need the scene. Just take off, you're about to have a crazy (dumb) action scene, no need for artificial tension.
- The original cast picture at the end. Just seemed like pandering for no reason so the audience will go "LOOK THE ORIGINAL CAST THIS MOVIE IS AMAZING FOR DOING THIS".
- So they have a new universal translator, but the dog people at the beginning were speaking English? Everyone from the last two movies that we heard as English were just speaking English? Not wrll thought out.


That's all I got off the top of my head, but i'm there's a lot more I'll think of as time goes on.

So, for my movie ranking, now with this....

1. First Contact
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Voyage Home
4. Undiscovered Country
5. Search for Spock
6. Generations
7. Motion Picture
8. Insurrection
9. What does god need with a star ship?
10. Beyond (this and 9 could switch)
11. Nemesis
12. ST '09
13. Into Darkness
« Last Edit: July 29, 2016, 11:03:36 PM by Adami »
fanticide.bandcamp.com

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #142 on: July 29, 2016, 11:04:36 PM »
Mostly agree with you there. Even though the original cast photo was blatant pandering, I still enjoyed it, especially given the nature of it being a tribute to the real death of Leonard Nimoy, and not just the character of Spock.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #143 on: August 01, 2016, 02:06:58 AM »


1. First Contact
2. Wrath of Khan
3. Voyage Home
4. Undiscovered Country
5. Search for Spock
6. Generations
7. Motion Picture
8. Insurrection
9. What does god need with a star ship?
10. Beyond (this and 9 could switch)
11. Nemesis
12. ST '09
13. Into Darkness

Interesting list. 

1. Wrath.
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Star Trek 09  (Yup Really).
4. First Contact
(Big Gap)
5. Search for Spock.
6. In To Darkness.
7. Generations.
(Another Gap)
8. Motion Picture.
9. Beyond.
10. Final Frontier.
11. Voyage Home.
12. Nemesis.
(Another Gap)
13. Insurrection

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #144 on: August 01, 2016, 02:20:30 AM »
Don't make me choose
First Contact / The Wrath of Khan / The Voyage Home

Very good
Galaxy Quest
Undiscovered Country
Generations / Beyond / ST '09

Average but still quite enjoyable
The Search for Spock
Insurrection
The Final Frontier

Insomnia cure
The Motion Picture

Worthless Shit
Nemesis
Into Darkness
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #145 on: August 01, 2016, 02:50:26 AM »
I'll never get the love for The Voyage Home.  It's like one of those bad 80's comedies where only the premise of the film is the comedy and there are no actual jokes (3 Men and a Baby!).  Screw it's Double Dumb-ass, Nuclear Wessels & Hello Computer stick.  A quite literal Fish out of water comedy.   

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #146 on: August 01, 2016, 10:56:01 AM »
Star Trek 4 is great.

:angry:


I wonder what The Final Frontier would have been like if Nimoy or Meyer had directed.

Offline kingshmegland

  • defender of the brew!
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 34218
  • Gender: Male
  • Take that Beethoven, you deaf bastard!!
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #147 on: August 01, 2016, 11:14:12 AM »
1. Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. Undiscovered Country
4. Voyage Home
5. Search for Spock
6. ST '09
7. Beyond
8. Insurrection
9. Into Darkness
10. Generations
11. Nemesis
12. Motion Picture
13. The Final Frontier
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. - Bob Newhart

So wait, we're spelling it wrong and king is spelling it right? What is going on here? :lol -- BlobVanDam

Offline El Barto

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 18112
  • Bad Craziness
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #148 on: August 01, 2016, 11:27:20 AM »
Star Trek 4 is great.

:angry:


I wonder what The Final Frontier would have been like if Nimoy or Meyer had directed.
Shatner's directing was part of the problem, but relatively minor compared to Shatner's writing. A: Do away with Sybok being Spock's brother. B: Come up with a more plausible explanation for his mind control abilities. If he'd just been some guy running amok and zapping people with some psycho-ray-bun it would have been a much better movie.

And I always enjoyed ST4. Good story, and a good respite from the previous two which were somewhat dark.
Argument, the presentation of reasonable views, never makes headway against conviction, and conviction takes no part in argument because it knows.
E.F. Benson

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #149 on: August 01, 2016, 11:31:34 AM »
A psycho Ray Bun sounds delicious :tup

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #150 on: August 01, 2016, 11:34:12 AM »
I don't know my exact ranking but The Wrath of Khan is obviously #1 and Insurrection is #13

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #151 on: August 01, 2016, 01:45:21 PM »
I'll rank them thusly :

TOS

The Wrath of Khan
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Motion Picture
The Search For Spock
The Final Frontier

TNG

Generations
First Contact
Nemesis
Insurrection

Reboots

Star Trek Beyond ( provisional - I need to see it a few more times to be sure )
Star Trek
Star Trek Into Darkness

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #152 on: August 15, 2016, 03:57:40 PM »
:tup Just got back from seeing Star Trek Beyond again.

Better picture this time. Enjoyed it a lot more.

The sabotage / swarm scene is still entertaining as hell.  :biggrin: :corn :corn

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24190
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #153 on: August 15, 2016, 03:59:29 PM »
:tup Just got back from seeing Star Trek Beyond again.

Better picture this time. Enjoyed it a lot more.

The sabotage / swarm scene is still entertaining as hell.  :biggrin: :corn :corn


That might be my least favorite scene lol.
fanticide.bandcamp.com

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #154 on: August 15, 2016, 04:16:30 PM »
It just made me grin so much both times. :)

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24190
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #155 on: August 15, 2016, 05:32:33 PM »
I want, just once in these movies, to have an action scene like that with some super cheesy power metal playing.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2016, 05:38:26 PM by Adami »
fanticide.bandcamp.com

Offline kingshmegland

  • defender of the brew!
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 34218
  • Gender: Male
  • Take that Beethoven, you deaf bastard!!
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #156 on: August 15, 2016, 05:38:52 PM »
I want, just did once in these movies, to have an action scene like that with some super cheesy power metal playing.

Watch Bill and Ted for that need. :lol
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. - Bob Newhart

So wait, we're spelling it wrong and king is spelling it right? What is going on here? :lol -- BlobVanDam

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24190
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #157 on: August 15, 2016, 05:42:10 PM »
I want, just did once in these movies, to have an action scene like that with some super cheesy power metal playing.

Watch Bill and Ted for that need. :lol

I mean like full on Rhapsody Of Fire playing during a space fight.
fanticide.bandcamp.com

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #158 on: August 15, 2016, 11:10:00 PM »
:tup Just got back from seeing Star Trek Beyond again.

Better picture this time. Enjoyed it a lot more.

The sabotage / swarm scene is still entertaining as hell.  :biggrin: :corn :corn


That might be my least favorite scene lol.


Ditto. So stupid and trying way too hard to be cool. It's almost like you can pick the moments during writing the script where Justin Lin came into the room and scribbled something on the page, and Simon Pegg had to write around it best he could.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline Adami

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24190
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #159 on: August 15, 2016, 11:12:23 PM »
It just feels like lots of visual noise. I mean, they suddenly had billions of little hive ships? Meh.

And how can I feel invested in what is essentially, ANOTHER fight between the unbeatable good guys and faceless bad guys that mean absolutely nothing at all where you can take them all out in one swift move. Honestly, it was the worst part about Avengers, so much so that Joss even publicly admitted it was dumb. No idea why it's the one element everyone is so keen to copy.

At least with the Kirk/Elba fight (which was also silly) there was a way of connecting to it.
fanticide.bandcamp.com

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #160 on: August 15, 2016, 11:26:44 PM »
The scene was literally a line of techno babble to try to justify the concept of "loud licensed rock music causes things to explode" in-universe. It seems that many ships had a pretty good chance against the station even without the super weapon.

If they'd come up with a better villian and finale, I think the movie could have been really great.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2016, 03:37:30 AM »
:tup Just got back from seeing Star Trek Beyond again.

Better picture this time. Enjoyed it a lot more.

The sabotage / swarm scene is still entertaining as hell.  :biggrin: :corn :corn


That might be my least favorite scene lol.

I hated the motorbike distraction scene.  Firstly we get a feeble 'transporters won't work because techobabble'.  Then they come up with this facepalm plan which is complete arse - the fake hologram bikes seem to be able to steer themselves sensibly without any worries about clipping into the ground, or floating above it.   Then they jump start an ancient Starship by dropping it down a cliff and then destroy the enemies by playing the Beastly Boys at them........For a plot that is so paper thin it's amazing how bad the script is in the film.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 03:45:19 AM by soupytwist »

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #162 on: August 16, 2016, 03:40:08 AM »
You've seen the original series yeah ?

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2016, 03:43:50 AM »
The transporters not working was very much in line with what the shows did (not TOS, but the TNG era). The rest was unfortunately contrived action, which wasn't a sign of a bad script, but a sign of having to shoehorn action into a script that didn't focus on that element as much as previous movies.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2016, 03:47:56 AM »
:lol On the shows - everything on the ship stopped working the exact moment they needed them most.

Someone is stealing a shuttle!

Tractor beam!

Not working

Beam them out!

Not working!

Full Impulse!

Not Working!

Hail Them!

Not Working!



Regular training exercise! Transporters, tractor beam, engines, comms working perfectly!

Ferengi ship is nearby!

Nothing works!


It's almost like the Enterprise had a panic attack and wanted to hide in the corner - put it's hands over it's ears and go "lalalalalalalal" until the problem went away :rollin

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2016, 03:52:19 AM »
:tup Just got back from seeing Star Trek Beyond again.

Better picture this time. Enjoyed it a lot more.

The sabotage / swarm scene is still entertaining as hell.  :biggrin: :corn :corn


That might be my least favorite scene lol.

I'd put it way above Kirk getting promoted to First Officer in 09 and Kirk's death from Into Darkness / Garbage Barge Chase with Spock beating the shit out of Khan. . .

Offline BlackInk

  • Grammatically Confusing
  • Posts: 6488
  • Gender: Male
  • I Don't Care
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2016, 04:44:52 AM »
I don't have a problem with either of those scenes. I do have a problem with Kirk coming back to life, but not the death itself. And there are some things I didn't like about the new one, but destroying the swarm with rock music isn't really one of them. I saw it more as funny rather than "cool", so I thought it was fine.
My band (Oktober): https://soundcloud.com/oktoberband

Solo Project (Black Ink) Music: https://soundcloud.com/daniellarnhem

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #167 on: August 16, 2016, 05:20:17 AM »
I don't have a problem with either of those scenes. I do have a problem with Kirk coming back to life, but not the death itself. And there are some things I didn't like about the new one, but destroying the swarm with rock music isn't really one of them. I saw it more as funny rather than "cool", so I thought it was fine.

The resurrection blood never bothered me as much as it does some.  I do understand it's completely stupid, but ultimately it doesn't effect the plot to much, it's just an added misjudged bit of drama, trying to replicate a scene from the previous Khan movie.   But if you take out Kirk dying, the magic blood - it doesn't really change anything.   The swarm being destroyed was arguable the most important plot point in Beyond, and they chose to do it with the Beasty Boys...

Offline BlackInk

  • Grammatically Confusing
  • Posts: 6488
  • Gender: Male
  • I Don't Care
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #168 on: August 16, 2016, 05:42:34 AM »
I don't know who the Beasty Boys are, so I don't have any pre-existing automatic dislike towards them. To me it was just some random song. So that specific aspect didn't bother me at all.
My band (Oktober): https://soundcloud.com/oktoberband

Solo Project (Black Ink) Music: https://soundcloud.com/daniellarnhem

Offline soupytwist

  • Posts: 376
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #169 on: August 16, 2016, 06:44:41 AM »
I don't know who the Beasty Boys are, so I don't have any pre-existing automatic dislike towards them. To me it was just some random song. So that specific aspect didn't bother me at all.

For clarification I have no problem with the Beasty Boys or the song (It's a cool song) it's the core mechanic of the use of radio waves to disrupt the hive that I dislike.  The fact they chose to use Sabotage was probably the best thing about the whole solution.

Offline kingshmegland

  • defender of the brew!
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 34218
  • Gender: Male
  • Take that Beethoven, you deaf bastard!!
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #170 on: August 16, 2016, 06:54:21 AM »
It's un Trek like to hear music used in the movies so it's a little off putting for most.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. - Bob Newhart

So wait, we're spelling it wrong and king is spelling it right? What is going on here? :lol -- BlobVanDam

Offline BlobVanDam

  • Future Boy
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 37149
  • Gender: Male
  • Transform and rock out!
    • BlobVanDam's 3D Portfolio
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #171 on: August 16, 2016, 07:02:42 AM »
I have no problem with the Beastie Boys either, it just seemed like too jarring an anachromism to me, and too contrived and blatant to do an action scene with loud 20th century music.
From memory, the closest I can think of Trek doing that pre-JJ is First Contact using Magic Carpet Ride for the first warp test of the Phoenix, but it was used more for comedic effect in a quick joke than trying to be cool and modern, and that era wasn't anywhere near as distant as TOS is (or even the ENT era the Franklin is from).
« Last Edit: August 16, 2016, 07:23:17 AM by BlobVanDam »
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

Offline Progmetty

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 6365
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #172 on: September 15, 2016, 04:32:00 PM »
Finally saw it last night with the misses, unfortunately not in IMAX. Enjoyed it a lot, so many great moments, bit confused about the villian motives and overall goals though, I'll watch out again when the bluray is released.
I wouldn't want somebody with 18 kids to mow my damn lawn, based on a longstanding bias I have against crazy fucks.

Offline Kotowboy

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 24821
  • Gender: Male
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #173 on: September 17, 2016, 06:21:39 AM »
It's a great fun film.

But the fully CG saucer crash just isn't as good as the practical saucer crash from Generations.

Practical crash looks so believable whilst the one in Beyond is so obviously fully CG that I can't turn off my brain and just accept it.


Offline kingshmegland

  • defender of the brew!
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 34218
  • Gender: Male
  • Take that Beethoven, you deaf bastard!!
Re: Star Trek Beyond V. Spoilers Ahead
« Reply #174 on: September 17, 2016, 06:27:43 AM »
The crash in From Beyond was epic though.  That was so well done.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. - Bob Newhart

So wait, we're spelling it wrong and king is spelling it right? What is going on here? :lol -- BlobVanDam