So? Are you really trying to constructively debate with people on the extreme side of whatever?
I mean, I dunno, maybe you're a big fan of bashing your own head against a brick wall over and over, but it doesn't sound terribly fun to me.
I do, and here's why: I don't at all expect anyone to change their views because of me (or anyone else). I think that is futile, and even when effective, is a short term strategy (a bunch of people who all think the same thing don't bring any new ideas to the table, and are kind of like an example of "intellectual incest"). What I do strive for, though, is an accounting of all the facts on the table. You are entitled to your own opinions, no matter how radical or extreme, but you don't get to pick and choose your facts, or make your own. So some of this is to get people to account for things they either didn't know about, didn't care about, or purposefully tried to ignore because it didn't fit their personal world view.
Oh I get that, which is why I'm talking to a guy like you the way I am. I think, however, that some people just aren't ever going to get there. I live in LA and most of my friends literally cried when Bernie dropped out. Do you really think I'd have a snowball's chance of convincing them to being open minded about what Trump is doing? It's a nice idealistic thought, but it's futile. It's just not worth it. What happens is, you lose that middle ground. I mean, you personally have lost a lot of middle ground on here because you are arguing so hard against "TRUMP IS A NAZI AND WILL END THE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT" and you've become focused on pointing out why almost anything Trump does is okay. Is almost anything Trump has done been okay? Hell no, but I think you're so used to engaging the extreme mindset that you're unwittingly adopting the opposite, though I know you won't see it that way. There are people on this board (some still here, some no longer allowed to post here) who had such stiff views regarding Trump, or Bernie, or Hillary or Frederick Douglas, that any attempt to bring them to the middle was seen as a challenge and just pushed them further to their fringe.
Like I said, it's a nice thought, but it's not going to happen. And even though you really do (despite reminding us often that you're not) come off as a strong Trump supporter who will try to brush away any negativity associated with just about anything he does (not everything, but a ton of it). I know you don't actually feel that way, and that you likely have gotten to this point unknowingly out of frustration with "TRUMP IS A NAZI AND EVERY WORD HE SAYS IS PART OF A MEANS TO SUMMON CTHULU" that you've accidentally gone to the other side. I'm trying to pull you back to the middle.
Join me in the middle. We have really good lemonade.