Author Topic: Jon Anderson & Roine Stolt - Invention of Knowledge (Read 18881 times)

Kwyjibo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 07, 2016, 12:04:15 AM »

Shouldn't we move this discussion into the Yes-thread?

As far as the eras go I have little to add, only that I really like the Rabin albums and rate them as high as some of the classics. Maybe because my first exposure to Yes was Owner Of A Lonely Heart and 90125. I think for people who come from the classic era and then hear 90125, it is different.

This is probably true for all bands that have changed their style dramatically over time (like Genesis and others). The point of time when you come to know and love a band plays a big role I think for what material you favour.

And concerning the founding members, I think Steve Howe, Alan White and Rick Wakeman will always be considered core members of the band, even if they weren't founding members. So a hypothetical band with all three together will probably considered Yes, regardless of who is singing and playing bass.

Stadler · « **Reply #71 on:** April 07, 2016, 07:43:28 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on April 06, 2016, 08:34:00 PM

1983-1994: the pop rock era: mostly really good to great.
1996-2001: the return to prog era; some good stuff, some meh stuff, some really good stuff.

I'm not saying Kev is wrong, or is being unfair, but it's not really the whole story either. It's a tough putt to convince me that somehow "Open Your Eyes" is more "proggy" than either Big Penetrator (whose second side is four songs that originally started as an album side suite) or Talk (with one 15 minute epic in 15/8 time, and only six other songs on the 60 minute record).

I think to label the Rabin years as "pop rock" is only concentrating on one facet of that band, and does some of the rest of the time an injustice.

Orbert · « **Reply #72 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:29:18 AM »

Yeah, it's almost like Trevor Rabin finally realized "Hey, this is Yes. I can get proggy and experimental and all that." And he has the chops for it. Each of the three RabinYes albums gets more proggy.

Also, Yes had radio-friendly hits back in the 70's, and they started just as the band was really embracing the prog, so it's also fair to say that Yes has always been about mixing prog and pop, in (widely) varying amounts.

Architeuthis · « **Reply #73 on:** April 07, 2016, 10:36:59 AM »

Agreed, there are some fantastic compositions in the Rabin Era. Endless Dream being the masterpiece of those three albums. Shoot High Aim Low, and Hearts are other good examples. I also like his influence on the Union album, Miracle of Life, Lift Me Up, Saving My Heart etc..

KevShmev · « **Reply #74 on:** April 07, 2016, 02:03:52 PM »

Eh, I was speaking in general terms with those labels; no need to quibble over them.

Orbert · « **Reply #75 on:** April 07, 2016, 03:48:40 PM »

But quibble we must, lest we be mistaken for that which is other than DTF.

SebastianPratesi · « **Reply #76 on:** April 07, 2016, 07:31:14 PM »

Quote from: Orbert on April 06, 2016, 09:25:38 PM

For any other band, that would indeed be a curiosity. For Yes, maybe not.

Oh, yeah! I know of their long history of in-out-in-out members. In fact, something I've read recently (which is related to your 2nd paragraph) is that Chris wanted the band to carry on indefinitely into the future, even if 'classic' members also leave/die/are replaced by their children (like Wakeman did).

I sometimes wonder if that will eventually hold true, and in 100 years there will still be a Yes band. Maybe, the Yes we've known until now will be just a fraction of their history.

KevShmev · « **Reply #77 on:** April 07, 2016, 09:16:19 PM »

I think that would be neat, but they have to be thinking forward, and having someone like Billy Sherwood replace Chris Squire would be going backwards. Get some young talent in there who can write songs and move the band into the future.

Quote from: Orbert on April 07, 2016, 03:48:40 PM

But quibble we must, lest we be mistaken for that which is other than DTF.

LOL, so true!

The Letter M · « **Reply #78 on:** May 03, 2016, 10:47:15 PM »

BurningShed has put up their pre-order page : https://www.burningshed.com/store/progressive/product/494/7555/

The tracklist is further expanded upon, featuring that 3 of the album's 4 pieces actually have subsections/movements, and may possibly be even tracked that way on the album.

I - Invention of Knowledge:

1. Invention (9:41)
2. We Are Truth (6:41)
3. Knowledge (6:30)

II - Knowing:

4. Knowing (10:31)
5. Chase and Harmony (7:17)

III - Everybody Heals:

6. Everybody Heals (7:36)
7. Better by Far (2:03)
8. Golden Light (3:30)

9. Know... (11:13)

And their blurb about it:

Quote

Two Progressive masters at their uncompromising best.

The Invention Of Knowledge is a collaboration between ex-Yes singer Jon Anderson and Flower Kings supremo Roine Stolt, and also features Jonas Reingold, Felix Lehrmann, Tom Brislin, Nad Sylvan and Daniel Gildenlow.

Featuring four epic tracks over its 65 minute duration.

Comes with A5 art print.

Pre-order for 24th June release.

-Marc.

RoeDent · « **Reply #79 on:** May 04, 2016, 03:45:05 AM »

Aww! How annoying! I hate it when bands split multi-movement tracks like that! For one thing, it will provoke endless debate about whether it's one single song or a suite of three separate songs (see the eternal 6DOIT debate). If they intend it as a single piece of music, put it on one track. That way there's no debating the issue; it's one song, end of.

Mladen · « **Reply #80 on:** May 04, 2016, 06:04:19 AM »

I'm with you 100%. This is "is ITPOE one or two songs?" all over again.

The Letter M · « **Reply #81 on:** May 04, 2016, 07:47:52 AM »

I get why there is some contention here with regards to that "debate", but I never understood why people couldn't grasp the difference between tracks and songs. A song could be multiple tracks, but still be one song.

Personally speaking, I'll probably rip the CD and merge the individual tracks into their four total pieces and use those for personal listening purposes.

-Marc.

darkshade · « **Reply #82 on:** May 04, 2016, 07:48:28 AM »

Would you want The Whirlwind to be one track? (It is, on the live Whirld Tour CD)

Enigmachine · « **Reply #83 on:** May 04, 2016, 08:18:16 AM »

tbh if I get this, I'd probably just use a program to combine the tracks. Not a big deal for me.

Orbert · « **Reply #84 on:** May 04, 2016, 11:26:02 AM »

Quote from: The Letter M on May 04, 2016, 07:47:52 AM

I'll probably rip the CD and merge the individual tracks into their four total pieces and use those for personal listening purposes.

Yep. Not a big deal. A little more work, I guess, but not a dealbreaker by any means.

And sometimes, maybe once in a great while, it might be handy to skip to a particular section. Like to check something out, confirm that it sounds like something someone said, whatever. For general listening, though, I always just listen to the whole song, usually the whole album.

devieira73 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 16, 2016, 07:23:30 AM »

Official teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuzdnlqWMqI

countoftuscany42 · « **Reply #86 on:** June 21, 2016, 11:14:13 AM »

edit of Invention released

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/jon-anderson-roine-stolts-invention/

Ben_Jamin · « **Reply #87 on:** June 21, 2016, 07:42:54 PM »

Sounds exactly as I thought it would.

KevShmev · « **Reply #88 on:** June 21, 2016, 07:48:58 PM »

Sounded nice. Hoping for good things from this!!

senecadawg2 · « **Reply #89 on:** June 21, 2016, 08:57:15 PM »

Doesn't immediately blow me away, but it's very nice. Looking forward to this

KevShmev · « **Reply #90 on:** June 23, 2016, 06:25:08 AM »

I thought this was coming out tomorrow (June 24th). Amazon and iTunes are both saying July 8th. What the hell??

Orbert · « **Reply #91 on:** June 23, 2016, 07:12:49 AM »

I didn't remember the exact date, but I thought it was towards the end of this month, too. Apparently it's been delayed.

KevShmev · « **Reply #92 on:** June 23, 2016, 08:01:46 AM »

Bummer. I was looking forward to getting it this weekend.

McNugg · « **Reply #93 on:** June 23, 2016, 09:27:09 AM »

Still says it is released tomorrow over here on Amazon UK. How peculiar

gazinwales · « **Reply #94 on:** June 23, 2016, 02:10:50 PM »

My local store in Sydney has it in stock and on sale already.

Orbert · « **Reply #95 on:** June 23, 2016, 02:14:12 PM »

Folks on the Yesfans boards are posting pictures of theirs which came in the mail today. Maybe it's only delayed in the U.S.

Evermind · « **Reply #96 on:** June 23, 2016, 02:14:41 PM »

For what it's worth, promo press PDF file mentioned the release date was 24th June.

Orbert · « **Reply #97 on:** June 23, 2016, 02:22:06 PM »

Is it the 24th in Sydney? Time zones and datelines confuse me.

gazinwales · « **Reply #98 on:** June 23, 2016, 10:55:45 PM »

Yup it is, +10 hr GMT

Kwyjibo · « **Reply #99 on:** June 23, 2016, 11:56:28 PM »

Seems to be an U.S. thing. Amazon Germany has it in stock.

The Letter M · « **Reply #100 on:** June 24, 2016, 01:22:47 AM »

That's really weird, you guys. Thankfully I pre-ordered mine from Reingold Records, so hopefully I get it early next week!

-Marc.

KevShmev · « **Reply #101 on:** June 24, 2016, 06:39:33 PM »

So yeah, looks like it's out today in Europe, but we have to wait two more weeks here in the States. This sucks.

seasonsinthesky · « **Reply #102 on:** June 25, 2016, 07:47:22 AM »

Listened through this yesterday for the first time. Enjoyed it for sure - especially the parts that sound like a cousin to some stuff from Topographic! - but the music side of the equation didn't really live up to what I associate with 'prog made by Roine Stolt' because it seems primarily based in piano and light guitar. The whole record is basically a ballad! So it's tough to sit through with so few texture changes and so little bombast, something that never happens with The Flower Kings (though they do still turn bland a little too often these days too, I realize).

The Letter M · « **Reply #103 on:** June 25, 2016, 10:58:39 AM »

Quote from: seasonsinthesky on June 25, 2016, 07:47:22 AM

something that never happens with The Flower Kings (though they do still turn bland a little too often these days too, I realize).

Really? I felt that most of BoE and DR were pretty varied, with some great heavy/hard moments, and a lot of nice soothing, ballad moments, all throughout. Heck, BoE starts out with a fairly heavy epic, even right at the beginning it's pretty hard-sounding. Even before those two albums, TSoNE was pretty bombastic, though I think having Zoltan back kind of helped with that.

-Marc.

KevShmev · « **Reply #104 on:** June 25, 2016, 08:39:59 PM »

I don't think bland means not varied, and in that regard, I kind of see what he means in regards to Desolation Rose, which was a mix of great stuff and, well, some bland moments. Even the best songs on that record seem to have some bland moments. I like the record, but it's not one I revisit a lot.

Now...Banks of Eden is another story. The more time passes, the more I realize that is one of their best albums. Phenomenal from start to finish (and even moreso if you count the bonus tracks).

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Author Topic: Jon Anderson & Roine Stolt - Invention of Knowledge (Read 18881 times)

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