Author Topic: DTF’s DT Song Ratings! 1st List released on Page 7! Rating Albums now. (Read 22438 times)

BlackInk · « **Reply #175 on:** March 23, 2016, 10:43:42 AM »

Quote from: RoeDent on March 23, 2016, 08:22:50 AM

I wonder why their recent output is so derided, as if nothing can touch the "classics" of the early age, which most of us were not even around to experience at the time they were initially released. Have we been force-fed the idea that "This album is a classic. You must like it", whereas albums that we were around to experience the release of fail to have that same impact?

While I understand that it's inviting to think that way, in most cases it's just not how it is.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #176 on:** March 24, 2016, 05:29:02 AM »

Lord Nafaryus: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46579.0
A Savior in the Square: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46580.0
When Your Time Has Come: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46581.0
Act of Faythe: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46582.0
Three Days: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46583.0

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #177 on:** March 24, 2016, 05:33:48 AM »

Lord Nafaryus - 8/10
A Savior in the Square - 8/10
When Your Time Has Come - 6.5/10
Act of Faythe - 8.5/10
Three Days - 8.5/10

Strong batch so far, but only 2 more songs on the album that will get >= 8 from me.

Outcrier · « **Reply #178 on:** March 24, 2016, 03:07:38 PM »

Dystopian Overture - 5
The Gift of Music - 6,5
The Answer - 5
A Better Life - 7
Lord Nafaryus -7
A Savior in the Square - 6
When Your Time Has Come - 6
Act of Faythe - 5
Three Days - 6

erwinrafael · « **Reply #179 on:** March 25, 2016, 04:31:41 AM »

So I scored all the albums today + ACOS, and did the liberty of keeping a spreadsheet and scored TA in advance. And these are the album means that came up:

WDADU 6.75
I&W 8.25
Awake 8.36
ACOS 8.0
FII 7.82
SFAM 8.0
SDOIT 8.42
TOT 8.0
OCT 8.06
SC 6.86
BC&SL 7.50
ADTOE 8.39
DT 8.44
TA 8.45

WOW. Looks like I am the official poster boy of the fan of the Mangini-era DT.

I thought Awake would be much higher because I treated it as my favorite album for the longest time until TA came in. BUT what could explain it is that it has the lowest standard deviation score among the albums, so it is high scoring and consistent, which makes it a very pleasurable album experience for me.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #180 on:** March 25, 2016, 06:12:21 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on March 25, 2016, 04:31:41 AM

So I scored all the albums today + ACOS, and did the liberty of keeping a spreadsheet and scored TA in advance. And these are the album means that came up:

WDADU 6.75
I&W 8.25
Awake 8.36
ACOS 8.0
FII 7.82
SFAM 8.0
SDOIT 8.42
TOT 8.0
OCT 8.06
SC 6.86
BC&SL 7.50
ADTOE 8.39
DT 8.44
TA 8.45

WOW. Looks like I am the official poster boy of the fan of the Mangini-era DT.

I thought Awake would be much higher because I treated it as my favorite album for the longest time until TA came in. BUT what could explain it is that it has the lowest standard deviation score among the albums, so it is high scoring and consistent, which makes it a very pleasurable album experience for me.

That's pretty neat!

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #181 on:** March 25, 2016, 06:12:29 AM »

Brother, Can You Hear Me?: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46594.0
A Life Left Behind: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46595.0
Ravenskill: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46596.0
Chosen: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46597.0

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #182 on:** March 25, 2016, 06:17:01 AM »

Brother Can You Hear Me - 1/10
A Life Left Behind - 4/10
Ravenskill - 1/10
Chosen - 6/10

This is where the album takes a sharp nosedive for me.

Another_Won · « **Reply #183 on:** March 25, 2016, 09:19:55 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 25, 2016, 06:17:01 AM

Brother Can You Hear Me - 1/10
A Life Left Behind - 4/10
Ravenskill - 1/10
Chosen - 6/10

This is where the album takes a sharp nosedive for me.

Wow, only a 1 for Ravenskill. It seems like such a diverse track that would have wider appeal. What don't you like about it?

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #184 on:** March 25, 2016, 09:37:09 AM »

Quote from: Another_Won on March 25, 2016, 09:19:55 AM

Wow, only a 1 for Ravenskill. It seems like such a diverse track that would have wider appeal. What don't you like about it?

Given that I only rate it a 1/10, basically everything.

There's just nothing in the song that appeals to me on any level.

Train of Naught · « **Reply #185 on:** March 25, 2016, 09:42:57 AM »

It's better than Scarred though!

good for you

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #186 on:** March 28, 2016, 06:52:46 AM »

A Tempting Offer: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46626.0
The X Aspect: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46627.0
A New Beginning: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46628.0
The Road to Revolution: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46629.0

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #187 on:** March 28, 2016, 06:57:13 AM »

A Tempting Offer / The X Aspect - I'd rather not say but it's not good / 10
ANB - 8/10
The Road to Revolution - 7/10

Outcrier · « **Reply #188 on:** March 28, 2016, 11:22:25 AM »

Dystopian Overture - 5
The Gift of Music - 6,5
The Answer - 5
A Better Life - 7
Lord Nafaryus - 7
A Savior in the Square - 6
When Your Time Has Come - 6
Act of Faythe - 5
Three Days - 6
Brother, Can You Hear Me? - 4
A Life Left Behind - 7
Ravenskill - 6
Chosen - 5
A Tempting Offer - 5
The X Aspect - 7,5
A New Beginning - 8
The Road to Revolution - 5

Outcrier · « **Reply #189 on:** March 28, 2016, 06:24:50 PM »

Now that i notice, there's a 0 for every TA song

. Someone hates this album with a passion.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #190 on:** March 28, 2016, 09:17:25 PM »

Despite what I said in my last comment, it wasn't me.

I haven't given anything on TA a zero.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #191 on:** March 29, 2016, 12:19:57 PM »

2285 Entr’acte: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46648.0
Moment of Betrayal: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46649.0
Heaven’s Cove: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46650.0
Begin Again: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46651.0

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #192 on:** March 29, 2016, 09:09:14 PM »

All 4-5 in that bunch. Oy. Only one song left on the album that I'll give any higher than that.

fischermasamune · « **Reply #193 on:** March 29, 2016, 10:00:44 PM »

2285 Entr'Acte - 6.5
Moment of Betrayal - 8.5
Heaven's Cove - 8
Begin Again - 6.0

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #194 on:** March 30, 2016, 11:56:40 AM »

The Path That Divides: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46663.0
The Walking Shadow: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46664.0
My Last Farewell: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46665.0
Losing Faythe: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46666.0

erwinrafael · « **Reply #195 on:** March 30, 2016, 05:29:40 PM »

Let's finish this.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #196 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:36:54 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on March 30, 2016, 05:29:40 PM

Let's finish this.

Okay.

Whispers on the Wind: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46672.0
Hymn of a Thousand Voices: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46673.0
Our New World: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46674.0
Astonishing: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46675.0

I'm going to give this some time to marinate before I assemble the first list. Should be interesting.

Train of Naught · « **Reply #197 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:43:34 AM »

Kay, full TA rankings after pretty much 2 months, about 4 full listens and a couple of separate songs.

02. “Dystopian Overture” - 7.5
03. “The Gift of Music” - 7
04. “The Answer” - 3.5
05. “A Better Life” - 8.5
06. “Lord Nafaryus” - 8
07. “A Savior in the Square” - 6
08. “When Your Time Has Come” - 6
09. “Act of Faythe” - 5.5
10. “Three Days” - 9.5
12. “Brother, Can You Hear Me?” - 4
13. “A Life Left Behind” - 7
14. “Ravenskill” - 9.5
15. “Chosen” - 7.5
16. “A Tempting Offer” - 6.5
18. “The X Aspect” - 9.5
19. “A New Beginning” - 8.5
20. “The Road to Revolution” - 8.5

01. “2285 Entr’acte” - 7.5
02. “Moment of Betrayal” - 8
03. “Heaven’s Cove” - 7.5
04. “Begin Again” - 3
05. “The Path That Divides” - 9
07. “The Walking Shadow” - 9
08. “My Last Farewell” - 6.5
09. “Losing Faythe” - 6
10. “Whispers on the Wind” - 1
11. “Hymn of a Thousand Voices” - 3.5
12. “Our New World” - 5
14. “Astonishing” - 5

Might change a few in the coming days, but this is where it's at right now. 5 absolute standouts, a solid middle ground, but quite some stuff I wouldn't be bothered to miss either.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #198 on:** March 31, 2016, 07:56:04 AM »

Our New World - 8.5/10
I probably gave the other songs in the last two batches about the same score. Cumulatively, that is.

BlackInk · « **Reply #199 on:** March 31, 2016, 09:31:05 AM »

Dystopian Overture - 6
The Gift of Music - 5
The Answer - 4
A Better Life - 6
Lord Nafaryus - 5.5
A Savior In the Square - 6.5
When Your Time Has Come - 5
Act of Faythe - 5
Three Days - 6
Brother, Can You Hear Me? - 5
A Life Left Behind - 6.5
Ravenskill - 7
Chosen - 5
A Tempting Offer - 7
The X Aspect - 7
A New Beginning - 6
The Road to Revolution - 5
2285 Entr'acte - 5.5
Moment of Betrayal - 6.5
Heaven's Cove - 6.5
Begin Again - 4
The Path That Divides - 6
The Walking Shadow - 6.5
My Last Fairwell - 6
Losing Faythe - 5
Whispers On the Wind - 5
Hymn of a Thousand Voices - 6
Our New World - 6.5
Astonishing - 5.5

Estiui · « **Reply #200 on:** March 31, 2016, 09:58:40 AM »

Dystopian Overture - 8
The Gift of Music - 8
The Answer - 8
A Better Life - 9
Lord Nafaryus - 8
A Savior In the Square - 7.5
When Your Time Has Come - 7.5
Act of Faythe - 7
Three Days - 9.5
Brother, Can You Hear Me? - 7
A Life Left Behind - 7.5
Ravenskill - 8
Chosen - 7.5
A Tempting Offer - 7.5
The X Aspect - 7.5
A New Beginning - 8
The Road to Revolution - 7
2285 Entr'acte - 7.5
Moment of Betrayal - 7
Heaven's Cove - 7.5
Begin Again - 7.5
The Path That Divides - 8
The Walking Shadow - 7.5
My Last Fairwell - 6.5
Losing Faythe - 6.5
Whispers On the Wind - 7
Hymn of a Thousand Voices - 6.5
Our New World - 7.5
Astonishing - 7

Outcrier · « **Reply #201 on:** March 31, 2016, 01:51:24 PM »

2285 Entr'acte - 5
Moment of Betrayal - 7
Heaven's Cove - 5
Begin Again - 5
The Path That Divides - 7
The Walking Shadow - 6
My Last Fairwell - 6
Losing Faythe - 4
Whispers On the Wind - 4
Hymn of a Thousand Voices - 4
Our New World - 6
Astonishing - 4

This disc right here...Worst thing i've heard from DT since WDADU. And here there isn't production or vocal problems.

erwinrafael · « **Reply #202 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:21:23 PM »

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on March 31, 2016, 07:36:54 AM

Quote from: erwinrafael on March 30, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
Let's finish this.

Okay.

Whispers on the Wind: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46672.0
Hymn of a Thousand Voices: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46673.0
Our New World: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46674.0
Astonishing: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46675.0

I'm going to give this some time to marinate before I assemble the first list. Should be interesting.

Thanks, DoC! I enjoyed seeing my rankings per album while doing this exercise.

BlackInk · « **Reply #203 on:** March 31, 2016, 10:57:35 PM »

Quote from: Outcrier on March 31, 2016, 01:51:24 PM

And here there isn't production or vocal problems.

Well, there is, but it's just a small issue compared to the rest.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #204 on:** April 01, 2016, 05:24:07 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on March 31, 2016, 10:21:23 PM

Quote from: Destiny Of Chaos on March 31, 2016, 07:36:54 AM
Quote from: erwinrafael on March 30, 2016, 05:29:40 PM
Let's finish this.

Okay.

Whispers on the Wind: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46672.0
Hymn of a Thousand Voices: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46673.0
Our New World: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46674.0
Astonishing: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=46675.0

I'm going to give this some time to marinate before I assemble the first list. Should be interesting.

Thanks, DoC! I enjoyed seeing my rankings per album while doing this exercise.

Glad you enjoyed it

TheCountOfNYC · « **Reply #205 on:** April 01, 2016, 05:16:31 PM »

Will you be doing the albums as well?

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #206 on:** April 04, 2016, 05:48:24 AM »

Quote from: TheCountOfNYC on April 01, 2016, 05:16:31 PM

Will you be doing the albums as well?

I suppose that I could... but instead of users just throwing a number up there, it would be more interesting to see them reply to this thread with their average song score for each album and rate them that way, that is, add up the ratings for all the songs on the album, then divide it by the number of songs to get an album rating. Some people may be surprised.

Train of Naught · « **Reply #207 on:** April 04, 2016, 06:46:09 AM »

Here are my average song scores, definitely not how I'd rank the albums, especially with The Astonishing and SFAM, where certain songs drag down the average by a lot even though they're only a couple of minutes. The rough sketch of it is not bad though.. I&W on top, WDADU FII and Awake as the bottom three (not counting TA as it should probably be higher), and the Portnoy RoadRunner albums around the middle. I think I prefer scoring the albums so we can take into account other factors than just individual song scores, but I'm fine with you using this too.

Images and Words: - 8.56
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: - 8.42
Train of Thought: - 8.36
Octavarium: - 8.13
A Dramatic Turn of Events: - 8.0
Black Clouds & Silver Linings: - 7.83
Systematic Chaos: - 7.57
Dream Theater: - 7.44
Scenes from a Memory: - 7.0
Awake: - 6.36
When Dream and Day Unite: - 5.63
The Astonishing: - 5.6
Falling Into Infinity: - 5.59

BlackInk · « **Reply #208 on:** April 04, 2016, 08:55:33 AM »

My average.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 7.92 - Good
Train of Thought - 7.71 - Good
Octavarium - 7.31 - Good
Systematic Chaos - 7.29 - Good
Images & Words - 7.06 - Good
Metropolis - Part 2: Scenes From a Memory - 6.96 - Okay
A Dramatic Turn of Events - 6.72 - Okay
Awake - 6.68 - Okay
Falling Into Infinity - 6.36 - Okay
Black Clouds & Silver Linings - 5.92 - Mediocre
The Astonishing - 5.74 - Mediocre
Cleaning Out the Closet [FAN CLUB CD] - 5.63 - Mediocre
Dream Theater - 5.50 - Mediocre
When Dream & Day Unite - 4.88 - Bad
The Majesty Demos [DEMO] - 2.50 - Painful

Unlike ToT, this actually reflects my actual rankings pretty accurately. I might move SFaM up a few spots, but that's about it.

Enigmachine · « **Reply #209 on:** April 04, 2016, 09:14:08 AM »

I wonder if these averages are being done while incorporating the song length. That would make sense to me more than simply treating all songs equally, where Through My Words can change an average as much as Home can.

Quote from: erwinrafael on March 30, 2016, 05:29:40 PM

Let's finish this.

Am I the only one who thought of Devin Townsend's 'Poltergeist' while reading that?

Quote from: BlackInk on April 04, 2016, 08:55:33 AM

My average.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 7.92 - Good
Train of Thought - 7.71 - Good
Octavarium - 7.31 - Good
Systematic Chaos - 7.29 - Good
Images & Words - 7.06 - Good
Metropolis - Part 2: Scenes From a Memory - 6.96 - Okay
A Dramatic Turn of Events - 6.72 - Okay
Awake - 6.68 - Okay
Falling Into Infinity - 6.36 - Okay
Black Clouds & Silver Linings - 5.92 - Mediocre
The Astonishing - 5.74 - Mediocre
Cleaning Out the Closet [FAN CLUB CD] - 5.63 - Mediocre
Dream Theater - 5.50 - Mediocre
When Dream & Day Unite - 4.88 - Bad
The Majesty Demos [DEMO] - 2.50 - Painful

Unlike ToT, this actually reflects my actual rankings pretty accurately. I might move SFaM up a few spots, but that's about it.

Just out of interest, what would the average score be for one of your favourite albums?

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