Author Topic: The Astonishing vs 2112 (Read 7821 times)

jjfumbly · « **on:** January 29, 2016, 12:39:31 PM »

Both have similar concepts but Dream Theater's version is more developed (obviously). I don't see the Astonishing as derivative at all, it stands out on its own and I actually think it's better.

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:42:16 PM »

The only thing that's similar with these two is the setting it takes place in.

The music, on the other hand, is a whole different story. Couldn't compare them.

BFRedrocks · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:11:16 PM »

First time I heard about The Astonishing storyline, all I could think was how similar it was to 2112. Obviously the DT story is more developed (from what we know), but I still see tremendous similarity in the overall concept.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:12:35 PM »

Astonishing.

because 2112 is by Rush.

thosava · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:19:44 PM »

The main plot point of a "chosen one" delivering music to the world is a big similarity, but that's only the premise (and a very typical hero kind of story). The Astonishing focuses alot more on character and character development.

noxon · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:33:38 PM »

And if anything, the story of a "chosen one" in a "future dystopia" is like one of the BIGGEST tropes in scifi stories. Rush stole their 2112 from Ayn Rand ffs.

ariich · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:53:59 PM »

Quote from: thosava on January 29, 2016, 01:19:44 PM

The main plot point of a "chosen one" delivering music to the world is a big similarity, but that's only the premise (and a very typical hero kind of story). The Astonishing focuses alot more on character and character development.

Yeah exactly. And while it might be a total cheesefest, the underlying theme of forgiveness resonates pretty well with me. So 1. it's a hell of a lot of fun, and 2. there's something quite nice about it too.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2016, 01:58:58 PM »

I'm so glad this album isn't super serious. That would have been a really bad move.

SeRoX · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:02:34 PM »

I saw this thread coming.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:03:20 PM »

haceeb · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2016, 02:25:21 PM »

I know what I'd pick.
The Astonishing

Pragmaticcircus · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:31:27 PM »

Well the comparison is obvious but the only real similarities are the chosen one, music as a plot-point and totalitarian society...
Astonishing has a far more complex story going for it, far more character and musical development too.

splent · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2016, 03:51:57 PM »

I think it's apples and oranges. 2112 was just an epic, basically a we're going to do what we want to do and if you don't like it so what mentality behind it, not saying that the astonishing has that, but they didn't do it for that reason...

Not to mention completely different story line, completely different style of music, etc. I love them both

King Postwhore · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:07:35 PM »

I can live with cranking both for a long, long time.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:21:55 PM »

I vote for the DT one because it's not Rush.

DT_12_Octavarium · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:40:36 PM »

i could never get into 2112, it just sounds so unoriginal and bland. It doesn't come close to The Astonishing IMHO

Bertie_Wooster · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:41:27 PM »

The songs "2112" and "a passage to bankok" are great. The rest is crap.
Every song on TA is good.

DragonGuitar · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2016, 02:20:53 AM »

Why all the Rush hate "I pick TA because 2112 is by Rush". C'mon, guys! I LOVE Rush! And I LOVE DT!

Truth be told, we would not have The Astonishing if it wasn't for 2112.

Polarbear · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2016, 02:36:59 AM »

Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on January 29, 2016, 12:42:16 PM

The only thing that's similar with these two is the setting it takes place in.

The music, on the other hand, is a whole different story. Couldn't compare them.

This! I don't know why this is even a comparison.

IMHO The Astonishing is good, great even. But it doesn't come close to 2112.

RoeDent · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2016, 03:53:58 AM »

There's as much of 2112 in The Astonishing as there is Romeo and Juliet, when you think about it.

2112/TA - Music used to overthrow tyranny.

R&J/TA - Death brings about unity of two warring sides.

KevShmev · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2016, 06:28:38 AM »

2112 is especially unique in that the story is two-fold: yes, it is about a man in a futuristic society, but it is also about Rush's fight for artistic freedom, a fight they won when 2112 was a smash. "We have assumed control" - yes, they certainly did.

erwinrafael · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:00:39 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on January 30, 2016, 06:28:38 AM

2112 is especially unique in that the story is two-fold: yes, it is about a man in a futuristic society, but it is also about Rush's fight for artistic freedom, a fight they won when 2112 was a smash. "We have assumed control" - yes, they certainly did.

But isn't TA also DT telling RR "we're tired of churning out the metal that you want!"

King Postwhore · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:35:35 AM »

Um, it's DT saying we want to do something different. RR has no power over that. This was already proven with SFAM.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:39:50 AM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 31, 2016, 08:35:35 AM

Um, it's DT saying we want to do something different. RR has no power over that. This was already proven with SFAM.

I'd be alarmed if RR had any say over SFAM, since they weren't with them until SC.

Otherwise I agree with you. I've never gotten the impression that RR ever had influence on what DT does. DT wouldn't have signed with them otherwise. And you know, they just let DT release a double album rock opera, so there's that.

KevShmev · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:41:59 AM »

Yep, I think Roadrunner is just there for two purposes:

1) Promotion
2) Making sure albums are squashed in the mastering phase

Kotowboy · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:43:43 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2016, 09:21:55 PM

I vote for the DT one because it's not Rush.

My sentiments exactly !

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:45:26 AM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on January 31, 2016, 08:43:43 AM

Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 29, 2016, 09:21:55 PM
I vote for the DT one because it's not Rush.

My sentiments exactly !

If we both stayed out of the Star Trek thread, I think we'd be the absolute best of friends.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:48:56 AM »

Into Darkness is better than Wrath of Khan

Nope. Obviously not.

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2016, 08:50:25 AM »

Is Comic Sans a way of making sarcasm green a tad greener?

erwinrafael · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:02:24 AM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 31, 2016, 08:35:35 AM

Um, it's DT saying we want to do something different. RR has no power over that. This was already proven with SFAM.

i was joking.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:09:39 AM »

We don't joke on DTF. We are always serious.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:12:27 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on January 31, 2016, 09:02:24 AM

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 31, 2016, 08:35:35 AM
Um, it's DT saying we want to do something different. RR has no power over that. This was already proven with SFAM.

i was joking.

I can't tell. You're sticking out your tongue again.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2016, 09:13:31 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on January 31, 2016, 08:39:50 AM

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 31, 2016, 08:35:35 AM
Um, it's DT saying we want to do something different. RR has no power over that. This was already proven with SFAM.

I'd be alarmed if RR had any say over SFAM, since they weren't with them until SC.

Otherwise I agree with you. I've never gotten the impression that RR ever had influence on what DT does. DT wouldn't have signed with them otherwise. And you know, they just let DT release a double album rock opera, so there's that.

Listen you jive turkey!

I was just pointing out DT already won that battle a log time ago.

millahh · « **Reply #33 on:** February 02, 2016, 07:09:44 PM »

Haven't been able to keep up on the main discussion thread, and it nearly fits here:

Am I the only one who hears almost the entire "I have memory and awareness" melody fro Hemispheres in the Brother Can You Hear Me melody?

Architeuthis · « **Reply #34 on:** February 03, 2016, 01:00:21 AM »

Quote from: millahh on February 02, 2016, 07:09:44 PM

Haven't been able to keep up on the main discussion thread, and it nearly fits here:

Am I the only one who hears almost the entire "I have memory and awareness" melody fro Hemispheres in the Brother Can You Hear Me melody?

Yes, I actually sing along to that using the Hemispheres lyrics.. It may have been an intentional tribute, or it could have been unintentional .. Either way it's freakin COOL!!

News: DreamTheaterForums is a place for people who just don't have the time for music anymore.

Author Topic: The Astonishing vs 2112 (Read 7821 times)