DT14 speculation thread

[bosk1]

Oh, man!  JP's gonna be pissed when he finds out I accidentally leaked the title! 

[rumborak]

I hope TA was the beginning of a "fuck it, we do as we please" phase for DT. I might not have liked the result, but TA was daring, and that's good.

[Mosh]

They are at the best point in their career for that.

At this point they have enough albums and different periods that there's always going to be fans who think they lost it, no matter what they put out. They have also been around long enough that their hardcore fans probably aren't going anywhere. Might as well use that to their advantage and continue defying expectations.

[BlobVanDam]

I hope TA was the beginning of a "fuck it, we do as we please" phase for DT. I might not have liked the result, but TA was daring, and that's good.

Judging by the discussion about ticket sales, I'm not sure they can afford to say "fuck it, we do as we please" for too long.

[MirrorMask]

I hope TA was the beginning of a "fuck it, we do as we please" phase for DT. I might not have liked the result, but TA was daring, and that's good.

Sign me in!

[Kotowboy]

I hope TA was the beginning of a "fuck it, we do as we please" phase for DT. I might not have liked the result, but TA was daring, and that's good.

Judging by the discussion about ticket sales, I'm not sure they can afford to say "fuck it, we do as we please" for too long.

Ehh at least they tried.

[mikeyd23]

I hope TA was the beginning of a "fuck it, we do as we please" phase for DT. I might not have liked the result, but TA was daring, and that's good.

Judging by the discussion about ticket sales, I'm not sure they can afford to say "fuck it, we do as we please" for too long.

Yeah but the first US leg sold well, it's just the random second leg that isn't. So I think the low ticket sales we are seeing now have more to do with other factors like small markets, exact same show, etc... than it does with the band doing something different.

If they would have only done one US leg, we wouldn't even be having the conversation.

[Prog Snob]

I'm hoping DT14 is like Train of Thought and Awake...dark, heavy, intense. Though, they haven't gone that way since that drummer left, so I don't know.

[mikeyd23]

I'm hoping DT14 is like Train of Thought and Awake...dark, heavy, intense. Though, they haven't gone that way since that drummer left, so I don't know.

I agree. And DT have been kinda reactionary throughout their history in that way. ToT was followed by Oct. Oct. was followed by SC. They do have a history of putting out one specific type of album and then following it up with a very different type of album.

[Pragmaticcircus]

When does it become that time of year where everyone makes the new-fic album covers?

 

[rumborak]

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

8/10 would buy

[Dream Team]

As much as I like Portnoy and have the upmost respect for him it would be interesting and maybe refreshing hearing a heavy DT album without his vocal lines and input, since he left they haven't gone too heavy but I think it would definitely be the right move for them at this point, as someone said before the cinematic tracks are becoming a little overdone. Creating something a bit more raw would help, and I believe less overdubs and layering would create far more opportunity to hear individual instruments more pronounced and clear (Especially the bass)

Yes, this for sure. Rawer, less overdubs, less of the orchestral sounds (I love them but they were very prominent on the last 3 albums). Time for some pure rock without the over-production.

[Pragmaticcircus]

Looks like fantasy has really grew on DT 

[As I Am]

They are at the best point in their career for that.

Not really

How can you say that with at most 25% capacity at US shows?

[As I Am]

I'm hoping DT14 is like Train of Thought and Awake...dark, heavy, intense.

THIS 1000%! DT14 needs to bring people back, not continuing to turn fans away.

[Prog Snob]

This might be a silly question but the thought crossed my mind. Do you think they're "too old" to be making extremely heavy albums like Train of Thought? Do you think that they're more likely to make something a bit lighter like ADTOE?

[Bertielee]

This might be a silly question but the thought crossed my mind. Do you think they're "too old" to be making extremely heavy albums like Train of Thought? Do you think that they're more likely to make something a bit lighter like ADTOE?

Honestly, since it seems that JP will be using an 8 string, I'm guessing he will use it for heavy as well as lighter stuff, which doesn't exclude a ToT-like album. But maybe I'm wrong.

B.Lee

[TAC]

This might be a silly question but the thought crossed my mind. Do you think they're "too old" to be making extremely heavy albums like Train of Thought? 

Not at all. The Enemy Inside is easily one of their heaviest songs, and that's pretty recent.

[bosk1]

They had a number of pretty heavy songs on the two albums before TA.

[jakepriest]

ADTOE was really heavy in places actually. It's just the crips and keyboard-heavy production aswell as the softer drum sound that makes it seem less in-your-face.
I actually love this style of mixing for DT. Works really well on both ADTOE and Octavarium imho.

[Prog Snob]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

[Dream Team]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

Why? There's no need to re-hash those albums. The current balanced style is much better.

[nikatapi]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

Awake was not that heavy as a whole i think, it's just a production thing. It was heavy, but it's not less heavy to ADTOE let's say, it's just the production (especially the guitars) that makes it heavier in sound.

[Ravenfoul]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

Awake was not that heavy as a whole i think, it's just a production thing. It was heavy, but it's not less heavy to ADTOE let's say, it's just the production (especially the guitars) that makes it heavier in sound.

I think it goes beyond production, I would definitely call ADOTE more proggier and lighter than Awake. I agree that ADOTE has heavy moments, however. But lie/the mirror are heavier than anything on ADOTE... right? Dark, heavy and moody.

[Prog Snob]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

Awake was not that heavy as a whole i think, it's just a production thing. It was heavy, but it's not less heavy to ADTOE let's say, it's just the production (especially the guitars) that makes it heavier in sound.

Heavy and dark. There was an overall mood to the album. I felt the same mood with Train of Thought, though ToT was a bit more relentless, especially with some of the lyrical content.

[mikeyd23]

Heavy and dark. There was an overall mood to the album. I felt the same mood with Train of Thought, though ToT was a bit more relentless, especially with some of the lyrical content.

I know what you're saying and yeah I think they could make something similar in mood and style if they wanted to.

[erwinrafael]

Heavy and dark. There was an overall mood to the album. I felt the same mood with Train of Thought, though ToT was a bit more relentless, especially with some of the lyrical content.

I know what you're saying and yeah I think they could make something similar in mood and style if they wanted to.

It would be hard to replicate the darkness of Awake because, from my appreciation, it comes from genuine angst. It's a product of both the early 1990s era of angsty music and the point of life the band members were in at the time.  The members seem to be genuinely at a peaceful moment in their life right now, so it's hard to imagine them doing something like Awake now.

[Blind Faythe]

I'm not really talking about some random heavy songs. Train of Thought was, from its onset, an album that they deliberately wanted to be heavy and dark all around. The same thing could be said for Awake. I'm just wondering if it's still in them to go that direction with the music as a whole again.

Awake was not that heavy as a whole i think, it's just a production thing. It was heavy, but it's not less heavy to ADTOE let's say, it's just the production (especially the guitars) that makes it heavier in sound.

Heavy and dark. There was an overall mood to the album. I felt the same mood with Train of Thought, though ToT was a bit more relentless, especially with some of the lyrical content.

I agree with Prog Snob. The atmosphere to Awake was extremely moody. Heck, even Space Dye Vest to me, has a really dark atmosphere and even Lifting Shadows Off a Dream to me was a beautiful song, yet had this angsty feeling to me. Train of Thought to me didn't match the moodiness to me as Awake has, but it was still really heavy.

[red barchetta]

ADTOE was a pretty good album. Certainly not heavy enough for some but a lot of prog mood so I really enjoyed it. DT12 may be heavy enough but less prog mood so for me it was not as good. Recently I have been listening more to it and I like it better.

I don't think they have to come up necessaraly with a super heavy album. But a good mix of heavy and prog is what would please me. They are getting older (not old) and it will show for sure but not as much as we would think. Anyway, I'm not afraid of their capacity of making very good and great music for many years to come.

[Adami]

Heavy and dark. There was an overall mood to the album. I felt the same mood with Train of Thought, though ToT was a bit more relentless, especially with some of the lyrical content.

I know what you're saying and yeah I think they could make something similar in mood and style if they wanted to.

It would be hard to replicate the darkness of Awake because, from my appreciation, it comes from genuine angst. It's a product of both the early 1990s era of angsty music and the point of life the band members were in at the time.  The members seem to be genuinely at a peaceful moment in their life right now, so it's hard to imagine them doing something like Awake now.

A very good point. If DT tried to force a certain state of mind that they didn't naturally feel, It'd probably just come off as flat and uninspired.

If they're in a peaceful happy place, then their album should reflect that. I might not dig the music (or I might) but I'd definitely respect it.

[MacClaus]

They should fire James and Jordan... that would be a new begin for a new chapter. And DT should hire a good producer.

[Podaar]

 

 

 

[lucasembarbosa]

[goo-goo]

LOL.

At this point, maybe after The Astonishing, DT would try and bring producer. They have nothing else to prove. Then again, not sure if JP will be willing to let someone else take the producer's seat. He seems like he would.