DT14 speculation thread

[Prog Snob]

So then that phenomenon doesn't exist except between the third and second string?

In standard tuning, yea.

See, I learned something new today.

[fischermasamune]

According to this thread, it has been confirmed that JP will use a 8-string guitar on the next album.

[Bertielee]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

But he already plays on a 6 strings...

B.Lee

Does he play with a low F# string though or is his sixth string a higher B on the other end?

EDIT:

Done a bit of quick research and apparently his standard tuning for most of the songs is BEADGC, so he's added a string either end, would definitely need a low F# if there's a lot of 8 string riffing on the album. I don't think he'd want to get rid of his C string either so he may end up using a 7 string bass hahaha

A 7 string bass? Me likey!

B.Lee

[CoT67]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

AFAIK, Meshuggah's Dick Lovgren plays on the same octave with a dirtier sound, so the bass tone meshes together with the guitars and the whole becomes a huge wall of sound.

I think maybe Periphery uses a bass tuned an octave lower, but their sound is processed in such a way that the low end must not be prominent, so you can hear everything.

I would prefer for DT to stay over the A/Ab range on a 7 just for the sake of their live sound, but who knows what they'll do this time.

[rumborak]

My guess for DT14 is that it will come packaged with the Astonishing game app.

[Architeuthis]

My prediction for DT14 is that we will have to wait and see..

[Kotowboy]

My prediction for DT14 is that we will have to wait and see..

hahahaha that'll never happen.

[WheyWaffles]

I predict a metric shit-ton of forced epicness.

[AboutToCrash]

If it's anything like ADTOE I'd be very happy, maybe a bit more consistent but in the same vein

[Super Dude]

I predict a metric shit-ton of forced epicness.

Are you from the future or something?

[Kotowboy]

The last time DT did a double album - half of which was loosely a concept - they followed it up with a short heavy album - Train Of Thought.

[Cable]

A increasingly bigger Periphery fan, and older output Meshuggah fan; I would prefer JP to stay away from an 8 string. I embrace 7 strings fully, and the basses that can accompany them. 8 string guitar range just pushes it too far, and really nullifies the bass. At the end of the day, a big role for bass in harder rock is to double guitar riffs. My one knock on Myung is he does this too much. Yes yes, bass can do so much more and so on. But a heavy riff is heavier doubled by a bass. And the point of the bass was to fill out that lower frequency, not have it taken over by guitar.

Meshuggah sounds mostly like garbage since Nothing IMO. Some of that is tone, but another is actually the limitations I feel they impose by using 8 strings all the time. Their riffs are mostly single note, octave based stuff, with some random notes to make it atonal. I mean, Dehumanization, Rational Gaze, and Demiurge all have pronounced octave riffs. In the case of the last two, they dominate their songs. They ride the low F so much, vs. using maybe low B or the either low E string from time to time. Their song "I" is actually a better usage of 8 strings, in that they mix in riffs on different strings. But songs like "I" are more of the exception to them IMO.

The strange thing is that Periphery is not really heavier vs. Meshuggah when they go 8 string, considering Nolly tunes an octave lower as mentioned. Certainly Nolly has some in depth mixing with his tone. https://youtu.be/lMxbP1V3WBo?t=4m40s. But to me, it shows that enough is enough- we cannot easily discern the difference between an F1 guitar and an F0 bass note with the Periphery approach compared to the Meshuggah same octave approach. Especially when distortion is thrown in. The other problem is chordal options are limited as well. Bass players have known this for a long time, low chords are used very sparingly. So what is the point?

Between Jordan's left hand and JP's 8-string, I think JM might as well not show up anymore.

  My fear exactly. His bass went out during the Astonishing show I saw, and I could not even hear a difference.

[Enigmachine]

His bass went out during the Astonishing show I saw, and I could not even hear a difference.

That's unfortunate. In the show I went to, JM was loud and clear.

[red barchetta]

A increasingly bigger Periphery fan, and older output Meshuggah fan; I would prefer JP to stay away from an 8 string. I embrace 7 strings fully, and the basses that can accompany them. 8 string guitar range just pushes it too far, and really nullifies the bass. At the end of the day, a big role for bass in harder rock is to double guitar riffs. My one knock on Myung is he does this too much. Yes yes, bass can do so much more and so on. But a heavy riff is heavier doubled by a bass. And the point of the bass was to fill out that lower frequency, not have it taken over by guitar.

Meshuggah sounds mostly like garbage since Nothing IMO. Some of that is tone, but another is actually the limitations I feel they impose by using 8 strings all the time. Their riffs are mostly single note, octave based stuff, with some random notes to make it atonal. I mean, Dehumanization, Rational Gaze, and Demiurge all have pronounced octave riffs. In the case of the last two, they dominate their songs. They ride the low F so much, vs. using maybe low B or the either low E string from time to time. Their song "I" is actually a better usage of 8 strings, in that they mix in riffs on different strings. But songs like "I" are more of the exception to them IMO.

The strange thing is that Periphery is not really heavier vs. Meshuggah when they go 8 string, considering Nolly tunes an octave lower as mentioned. Certainly Nolly has some in depth mixing with his tone. https://youtu.be/lMxbP1V3WBo?t=4m40s. But to me, it shows that enough is enough- we cannot easily discern the difference between an F1 guitar and an F0 bass note with the Periphery approach compared to the Meshuggah same octave approach. Especially when distortion is thrown in. The other problem is chordal options are limited as well. Bass players have known this for a long time, low chords are used very sparingly. So what is the point?

Between Jordan's left hand and JP's 8-string, I think JM might as well not show up anymore.

  My fear exactly. His bass went out during the Astonishing show I saw, and I could not even hear a difference.

Sad. His bass playing was barely audible on TA.

[bosk1]

His bass playing was barely audible on TA.

It depends on your sound system.  Unfortunately, I feel like his bass is pretty low in the mix on this album in general.  But if you are listening on a system where you can hear him, he is doing some REALLY cool stuff. 

[King Postwhore]

His bass playing was barely audible on TA.

It depends on your sound system.  Unfortunately, I feel like his bass is pretty low in the mix on this album in general.  But if you are listening on a system where you can hear him, he is doing some REALLY cool stuff.

I know this is the old fart in me but I miss the days of separation of instruments.  I want to soak it all in from every instrument.

[bosk1]

His bass playing was barely audible on TA.

It depends on your sound system.  Unfortunately, I feel like his bass is pretty low in the mix on this album in general.  But if you are listening on a system where you can hear him, he is doing some REALLY cool stuff.

I know this is the old fart in me but I miss the days of separation of instruments.  I want to soak it all in from every instrument.

Yes, but...in those same days you are pining for, the bass was often buried in the mix on a lot of albums simply because the bass player was low in the mix and just playing root notes most of the time. 

[King Postwhore]

Maybe I was drawn to bands like Yes, Rush where the bass was in the forefront and I'm projecting my preference.  The 80's I agree is when the lines were blurred and certain instruments were lost in the mix.

[TAC]

So true. I can't even hear any guitar on those 80's Rush albums. 

[Mosh]

Rush had a guitar player in the 80s? I thought they replaced him with a synthesizer.

[King Postwhore]

So true. I can't even hear any guitar on those 80's Rush albums. 

You silly ninny.  Those are the best examples of separation!

[TAC]

So true. I can't even hear any guitar on those 80's Rush albums. 

You silly ninny.  Those are the best examples of separation!

Yup, separating the guitar player from the rest of the band!

[King Postwhore]

IT's not my Rush.  Boo hoo.

[TAC]

[King Postwhore]

 

Exactly.

[red barchetta]

His bass playing was barely audible on TA.

It depends on your sound system.  Unfortunately, I feel like his bass is pretty low in the mix on this album in general.  But if you are listening on a system where you can hear him, he is doing some REALLY cool stuff.

I agree with the bass being very low in the mix and that's very unfortunate. I can hear it but it's unusual to have it that low. The bass and drums could be improved in the mix imo.

[Lax]

In fact JP will play a 8 string guitar and JM will play the guitar !

[Tony From Long Island]

The last time DT did a double album - half of which was loosely a concept - they followed it up with a short heavy album - Train Of Thought.

This would be great.    I didn't particularly care for the concept part of 6 Degrees and I completely dislike Astonishing.   However, I LOVE Train of Thought.   Probably my second fav DT album after Awake

[bosk1]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

[Kotowboy]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

I meant primarily in the number of tracks. The least number of tracks for a DT album at the time.

[Mosh]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

Isn't it still one of the shorter DT albums?

[Adami]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

Isn't it still one of the shorter DT albums?

3rd shortest. WDADU and I&W are both shorter.

[BlobVanDam]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

Isn't it still one of the shorter DT albums?

3rd shortest. WDADU and I&W are both shorter.

DT12 is 68 minutes, or are we ignoring that album exists?

Because I'd be ok with that.

[Adami]

I'm not so sure I would rely on TOT for the expectation of a "short" heavy album.  TOT was just shy of 70 minutes. 

Isn't it still one of the shorter DT albums?

3rd shortest. WDADU and I&W are both shorter.

DT12 is 68 minutes, or are we ignoring that album exists?

Because I'd be ok with that.

I tend to do that.

However, in this case it was the only album that didn't list a total run time on Wikipedia, so I just assumed DT did a normal 77 or so minute album.

[BlobVanDam]

The total runtime is listed at the top of the page, but not with the tracklist. I distinctly remember at the time DTF making a big deal out of the fact it was only around 70 minutes.