DT14 speculation thread

[Kotowboy]

inb4 8 string Majesty

[mikeyd23]

Between Jordan's left hand and JP's 8-string, I think JM might as well not show up anymore.

A bit exaggerated, but I think the point stands. With how dense DT has been arranging and producing, I hope space will still be allotted for JM.

[rumborak]

There's a bit of a "war" going on in DT. JP went from 6 to 7, and now to 8 strings. JM added his bass pedal board. MM scaled up his kit to insane size (in comparison to MP). Backing tracks were added.

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

[LudwigVan]

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

[TheCountOfNYC]

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

That pretty much what they did with Octavarium. They wrote the whole album on an acoustic guitar, piano, and vocals. JP used only six string guitars with two of the eight songs (These Walls and Panic Attack) using a baritone guitar and therefore inhabiting the bass guitar's range. The album's production left plenty of room to breathe especially for JM.

[Adami]

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

That pretty much what they did with Octavarium. They wrote the whole album on an acoustic guitar, piano, and vocals.

What?

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I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

Yeah, I'd love to hear a more organic and stripped-down DT album, but unfortunately I doubt it'll happen.

[TheCountOfNYC]

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

That pretty much what they did with Octavarium. They wrote the whole album on an acoustic guitar, piano, and vocals.

What?

From Wikipedia:

Guitarist John Petrucci noted that they wanted to focus on writing strong songs. To achieve this, the band stripped the sound down to piano, guitar and vocals when writing, focusing on the melodies and song structures.

[Chino]

It's hard to imagine writing Panic Attack on an acoustic guitar.

[CoT67]

How about some 8 string guitars?

The thing is, IMHO the 8 string's gonna sound like their own take on djent, kinda like what they did with nu-metal in These Walls/TDEN with the bouncy groovy riffs. Not that I didn't like that approach, but I hardly think they could employ the lower range together with the bass effectively, and the "competition" (Meshuggah, Tesseract, Animals As Leaders) is on a league of its own, though now they also do have a badass master of polyrhythms/polymeters as drummer...

Maybe they want to go full Meshuggah on us, that would definitely freak me out (not necessarily for the best).

[Art]

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Maybe they want to go full Meshuggah on us, that would definitely freak me out (not necessarily for the best).

hopefully not...

[AboutToCrash]

I definitely expect a heavier album in the vein of Train of Thought and I expect it to come out within the usual 2 year cycle.. I liken the Astonishing to SDOIT disc 2, Both albums were double discs and released January 29th of their year of release.. Six Degrees was followed by a far more "focused" and raw sound and I think the band may want to repeat history by doing the same here. The 8 string idea is interesting because 8 strings is commonly related to heavier forms of music, I believe there wouldn't be much of a point using it for cleans anyway, so that has me believe they'll take a heavier route this time around, I think it's needed after the massive cinematic approach on TA. As much as I loved the album, it'd be nice to see them mix things up again

[Prog Snob]

I know it's a somewhat lame thing to say, but I wonder what DT would come up with if they had one guitar with a store amp, one simple keyboard, a classic drumkit, and a bass.

Now this is a direction I'd like to see.  Working with the tools that early Black Sabbath and Deep Purple had to deal with.

[bosk1]

Heavier is certainly logical.  And I would welcome it, as many others would.  But this band hasn't really shown a patter of doing what is "expected." 

[CoT67]

What if they go Th1rt3en on us and finally release Another Won, To Live Forever, March Of The Tyrant, Your Majesty, A Vision etc...  in a studio album? That would be pretty freaky

[hefdaddy42]

That would be terrible.

[TheCountOfNYC]

I definitely expect a heavier album in the vein of Train of Thought and I expect it to come out within the usual 2 year cycle.. I liken the Astonishing to SDOIT disc 2, Both albums were double discs and released January 29th of their year of release.. Six Degrees was followed by a far more "focused" and raw sound and I think the band may want to repeat history by doing the same here. The 8 string idea is interesting because 8 strings is commonly related to heavier forms of music, I believe there wouldn't be much of a point using it for cleans anyway, so that has me believe they'll take a heavier route this time around, I think it's needed after the massive cinematic approach on TA. As much as I loved the album, it'd be nice to see them mix things up again

I find 8 strings are actually better for clean playing than for heavy playing. You can play lower bass lines and high melodies at the same time. It's perfect for finger picking.

[Mosh]

That's a great idea, but I can't see Petrucci using it for that purpose. Chances are it's going to be for heavy riffing.

[bosk1]

Why do you say that?  He does TONS of clean guitar work.  I see no reason to rule it out on an 8 string if he were to try one out.  Dude loves to experiment with different things.  So while I think it will natural to see it used for heavy riffing, I would be really surprised if we didn't see him using it for clean playing as well.

[mikeyd23]

Why do you say that?  He does TONS of clean guitar work.  I see no reason to rule it out on an 8 string if he were to try one out.  Dude loves to experiment with different things.  So while I think it will natural to see it used for heavy riffing, I would be really surprised if we didn't see him using it for clean playing as well.

Yeah I agree. Stylistically, I can imagine JP doing clean picking through interesting chord voicings with the 8 string.

[Mosh]

Why do you say that?  He does TONS of clean guitar work.  I see no reason to rule it out on an 8 string if he were to try one out.  Dude loves to experiment with different things.  So while I think it will natural to see it used for heavy riffing, I would be really surprised if we didn't see him using it for clean playing as well.

But playing high melodies and a bass line at the same time? You can do that on a 7 string too and JP has never done that, when he uses a 7 string these days it's usually for the heavier riff driven songs (The Enemy Inside, Bridges In the Sky, etc). I don't see that changing with him adding another string.

[Prog Snob]

Why do you say that?  He does TONS of clean guitar work.  I see no reason to rule it out on an 8 string if he were to try one out.  Dude loves to experiment with different things.  So while I think it will natural to see it used for heavy riffing, I would be really surprised if we didn't see him using it for clean playing as well.

Agreed. Look at all of the clean parts in A Change of Seasons. The use of extra strings doesn't always have to equate to a heavier song. To me, the mood it brings is darker more than anything else.

[CoT67]

That would be terrible.

And that's exactly how Megadeth's Th1rt3en ended up being, in a way.

[AboutToCrash]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

[Bertielee]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

But he already plays on a 6 strings...

B.Lee

[Kotowboy]

What is the 8th string on an 8 string ? an F# ? a C# ?

[AngelBack]

What is the 8th string on an 8 string ? an F# ? a C# ?

Well, it's one louder, isn't it.

[Kotowboy]

F##

[rumborak]

What is the 8th string on an 8 string ? an F# ? a C# ?

Actually, I saw a video of a guy tuning it to E, so he could just bar chord it.

[Prog Snob]

What is the 8th string on an 8 string ? an F# ? a C# ?

Well, if it follows the pattern, it would be a G, no? Does the warp refraction threshold continue on the lower strings? I'm not sure.

[Adami]

What is the 8th string on an 8 string ? an F# ? a C# ?

Well, if it follows the pattern, it would be a G, no? Does the warp refraction threshold continue on the lower strings? I'm not sure.

It's an F#. Aside from G to B, the strings all follow the same intervals.

[Prog Snob]

So then that phenomenon doesn't exist except between the third and second string?

[Adami]

So then that phenomenon doesn't exist except between the third and second string?

In standard tuning, yea.

[AboutToCrash]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

But he already plays on a 6 strings...

B.Lee

Does he play with a low F# string though or is his sixth string a higher B on the other end?

EDIT:

Done a bit of quick research and apparently his standard tuning for most of the songs is BEADGC, so he's added a string either end, would definitely need a low F# if there's a lot of 8 string riffing on the album. I don't think he'd want to get rid of his C string either so he may end up using a 7 string bass hahaha

[CDrice]

Myung would need a 6 string bass to play the petrucci riffs an octave lower *If he plans on octaving some of his low end riffs*

But he already plays on a 6 strings...

B.Lee

Does he play with a low F# string though or is his sixth string a higher B on the other end?

I think the tuning from low to high would be BEADGC