Author Topic: A win for boxing tonight: Holm v. Rousey (Read 6364 times)

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #35 on:** December 31, 2016, 06:39:07 PM »

Yep. Holyfield was the only one 'near' his level at the time. I consider the late career fights they had against each other more like novelty circus bouts rather than actual fights.

KevShmev · « **Reply #36 on:** December 31, 2016, 07:32:50 PM »

That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped.

Cool Chris · « **Reply #37 on:** December 31, 2016, 07:33:07 PM »

I feel bad for Ronda, but in the end maybe it is best for her that she step away from the octagon now, if she wants to pursue other opportunities. They won't be lined up around the block like they were before her first lost, but she could still have an amazing career ahead of her outside of MMA.

I of course am still pulling for a Ronda/Steph McMahon match at WM33.

Anguyen92 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 31, 2016, 07:59:24 PM »

Quote from: Cool Chris on December 31, 2016, 07:33:07 PM

I of course am still pulling for a Ronda/Steph McMahon match at WM33.

I am against anything that has to do with feeding Stephanie McMahon's ego. Therefore, if Ronda Rousey does get signed to WWE and you know based on their interaction at WM 31, that would be her first big storyline there and I don't want that happening and taking a lot of tv time whilst they have a big ass roster (with WWE's intention of it growing bigger and potentially hurting the growth of other promotions in the process while signing talent) with some very solid talent getting either no TV time or lackluster stories.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #39 on:** December 31, 2016, 08:37:06 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on December 31, 2016, 07:32:50 PM

That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped.

Ehh. I'll have to agree to disagree about that. If you call holding and grappling 'whipping' him then sure he was 'winning'. Holyfield had. I intention of fighting Tyson. At all. He was collecting a paycheck and grapling him which flustered an already unstable Tyson.

But Holyfield was not whipping his ass. You'd have to throw a punch for that.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #40 on:** December 31, 2016, 08:54:13 PM »

Quote from: El Barto on December 31, 2016, 06:23:51 PM

He probably would have made the count even if it had started on time. My problem is that the ref was too quick to pronounce Douglas good to go. Even with the extra 2 seconds the dude did not have his marbles when he answered the count and a lot of refs might have waived him off for it. In the end I think it was fair, though.

YOur point about Hollyfield is dead on, but that's also one of the knocks against Tyson. There just wasn't anybody in his era that could compete with him. Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Spinks, etc all had to fight each other. Tyson was beating up Trevor Burbecks. Not Tyson's fault, and I think he would have been a great fighter back in the day against all of those guys. It's just a damn shame we never got to see him really test the greatness he possessed.

BTW, I should has said when he parted ways with Kevin Rooney. A disciple of Gus.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #41 on:** December 31, 2016, 09:11:30 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on December 31, 2016, 08:54:13 PM

Quote from: El Barto on December 31, 2016, 06:23:51 PM
He probably would have made the count even if it had started on time. My problem is that the ref was too quick to pronounce Douglas good to go. Even with the extra 2 seconds the dude did not have his marbles when he answered the count and a lot of refs might have waived him off for it. In the end I think it was fair, though.

YOur point about Hollyfield is dead on, but that's also one of the knocks against Tyson. There just wasn't anybody in his era that could compete with him. Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Norton, Spinks, etc all had to fight each other. Tyson was beating up Trevor Burbecks. Not Tyson's fault, and I think he would have been a great fighter back in the day against all of those guys. It's just a damn shame we never got to see him really test the greatness he possessed.

BTW, I should has said when he parted ways with Kevin Rooney. A disciple of Gus.

Said it for ya

Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 31, 2016, 04:41:18 PM

once Tyson dumped Rooney as his trainer and surrounded himself with 'yes' men his 'aura' as a fighter was compromised and ultimately finished

King Postwhore · « **Reply #42 on:** December 31, 2016, 09:17:01 PM »

Yeah it was when he was backed by Don King things went sideways for him.

KevShmev · « **Reply #43 on:** December 31, 2016, 09:32:15 PM »

Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 31, 2016, 08:37:06 PM

Quote from: KevShmev on December 31, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
That's cause Tyson turned them into a farce by trying to bite Holyfield's ear off because he was getting his ass whipped.

Ehh. I'll have to agree to disagree about that. If you call holding and grappling 'whipping' him then sure he was 'winning'. Holyfield had. I intention of fighting Tyson. At all. He was collecting a paycheck and grapling him which flustered an already unstable Tyson.

But Holyfield was not whipping his ass. You'd have to throw a punch for that.

Whipping someone's ass doesn't mean you have to do it Rocky IV-style.

I would submit that Holyfield's strategy, that did indeed fluster Tyson, did result in an ass whipping. He kicked his ass mentally. Tyson threw a hissy fit in the ring because Holyfield didn't fight the fight Tyson wanted him to.

Tick · « **Reply #44 on:** January 04, 2017, 10:49:38 AM »

Quote from: gmillerdrake on December 31, 2016, 06:39:07 PM

Yep. Holyfield was the only one 'near' his level at the time. I consider the late career fights they had against each other more like novelty circus bouts rather than actual fights.

He could have fought Lewis and Bowe but didn't at the time. Both those opponents were better than anyone he fought during his reign. Tyson was an intimidating bad ass but he should have fought both those guys over guys like Frank Bruno. Probably the most talented opponent Tyson ever beat was Razor Rudduck and that really doesn't say a lot.
Spinks was so over matched it was silly.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #45 on:** June 15, 2017, 11:14:10 AM »

Sorry for the bump, but I couldn't find a better thread (if there is one, my bad, mods can move)....

So this is happening:

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/19637155/floyd-mayweather-conor-mcgregor-megafight-finalized-aug-26

Thoughts? I admittedly know little about MMA and even less about boxing but my read is the obvious one. Since this is a boxing match, Floyd will probably win and Connor is just doing this for a massive payday. Am I missing anything?

kaos2900 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 15, 2017, 11:23:58 AM »

I have no interest in watching two insanely rich ego maniacs beating each other up to become even more rich

Chino · « **Reply #47 on:** June 15, 2017, 11:27:47 AM »

The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.

Cool Chris · « **Reply #48 on:** June 15, 2017, 08:50:45 PM »

Quote from: kaos2900 on June 15, 2017, 11:23:58 AM

I have no interest in watching two insanely rich ego maniacs beating each other up to become even more rich

They won't be beating each other up though. That isn't Floyd's style, and he'll dictate how this match plays out. I know some people have wanted this for years, and if they want to shell out the dough for it, more power to you.

ReaperKK · « **Reply #49 on:** June 15, 2017, 09:24:15 PM »

I'll probably go to a bar and watch. Floyd will probably win, is love to see him do a match with Conner in the octagon.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #50 on:** June 15, 2017, 09:37:31 PM »

It would be awesome if McGregor would knock Maywearher out. I know he can't out box Mayweather, but it'd be great to see him just cold knock him out.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 16, 2017, 07:07:07 AM »

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 15, 2017, 09:37:31 PM

It would be awesome if McGregor would knock Maywearher out. I know he can't out box Mayweather, but it'd be great to see him just cold knock him out.

Yup. I'd love it, but I honestly see no chance of it happening. We are talking about a guy who is the greatest boxer of his generation (like him or not) boxing a guy who has never fought in a professional boxing match.... Might not go well.

Quote from: Chino on June 15, 2017, 11:27:47 AM

The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.

Why? Pretty much all pro athletes make way more money than they ever should, that's kinda just an unfortunate reality. I agree that it's a cash grab, but in fairness most professional fights are, this one will just get hyped more.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #52 on:** June 16, 2017, 07:23:38 AM »

Quote from: mikeyd23 on June 16, 2017, 07:07:07 AM

Quote from: Chino on June 15, 2017, 11:27:47 AM
The fact that they are each making $100M off that fight is enough to make me not give a shit.

Why? Pretty much all pro athletes make way more money than they ever should, that's kinda just an unfortunate reality. I agree that it's a cash grab, but in fairness most professional fights are, this one will just get hyped more.

Yeah...I have no issues with the payday they'll both get. It is what it is. Like Mikey mentioned....ALL professional athlete salaries are entirely too much for what it is they're actually getting paid to do....but, they are getting paid that much for a reason so...good for them.

I'm just hoping for that lightning in a bottle shot to the jaw from McGregor that stuns Mayweather enough to where he then can unload on him and knock him out. I know they're both 'cocky' but Mayweather's level of cocky annoys me more than McGregor's for some reason.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 16, 2017, 08:22:50 AM »

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2017, 07:23:38 AM

Yeah...I have no issues with the payday they'll both get. It is what it is. Like Mikey mentioned....ALL professional athlete salaries are entirely too much for what it is they're actually getting paid to do....but, they are getting paid that much for a reason so...good for them.

I'm just hoping for that lightning in a bottle shot to the jaw from McGregor that stuns Mayweather enough to where he then can unload on him and knock him out. I know they're both 'cocky' but Mayweather's level of cocky annoys me more than McGregor's for some reason.

Yup, that's the only way I can see this fight going remotely McGregor's way. Problem is that Floyd is a defensive specialist and Conor is used to taking huge wideups to throw a punch, so I'm not sure he'll get a good one to land.

I do see people online talking about how Conor will get tired and Floyd will just outlast him... I'm not sure that will happen. Conor is in his 20's and fights MMA, the dude is in insane shape and I think he could have the endurance for the fight.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #54 on:** June 16, 2017, 08:41:49 AM »

Quote from: mikeyd23 on June 16, 2017, 08:22:50 AM

I do see people online talking about how Conor will get tired and Floyd will just outlast him... I'm not sure that will happen. Conor is in his 20's and fights MMA, the dude is in insane shape and I think he could have the endurance for the fight.

I think the physical advantage is totally McGregor's. I'm sure Mayweather is still in great shape...but you can't combat the aging process. You do begin to 'slip' a bit....there's just no getting around it.

Mayweather's speed and agility that has allowed him to outclass and outbox his previous opponents simply won't be as sharp as they used to be. Not saying they won't be effective....but they won't be what they used to be.

McGregor can take a punch....can Mayweather? McGregor just has to find a way to do something that no one else has been able to do and that is actually 'hit' Mayweather with a solid shot to the head.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #55 on:** June 16, 2017, 09:55:49 AM »

Quote from: gmillerdrake on June 16, 2017, 08:41:49 AM

McGregor can take a punch....can Mayweather? McGregor just has to find a way to do something that no one else has been able to do and that is actually 'hit' Mayweather with a solid shot to the head.

I don't want to oversimplify but Conor should be able to take a beating in this context and keep coming. Compared to the beating he takes in MMA, straight up boxing with gloves should be manageable for him from a pain perspective.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2017, 10:38:22 AM »

Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.

One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?

Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #57 on:** June 16, 2017, 10:42:29 AM »

Quote from: jingle.boy on June 16, 2017, 10:38:22 AM

Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.

One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?

Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".

I don't disagree with any of that.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #58 on:** June 16, 2017, 10:44:39 AM »

I heard that McGregor was a boxer very early on. I don't think he has the skills yet to match up with a #1 boxer like Mayweather. The money is too good to pass up though.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #59 on:** June 16, 2017, 12:02:14 PM »

Quote from: mikeyd23 on June 16, 2017, 10:42:29 AM

Quote from: jingle.boy on June 16, 2017, 10:38:22 AM
Here's the thing, and it's both a pro and a con for McGregor... he's used to fighting MMA (duh), where you have to be aware of so much more than just punches - kicks, elbows, takedowns etc... So, his opponents also had to concentrate on that when fighting him. Mayweather doesn't. All he has to watch out for is the fists, and he has a career's worth of experience doing it. The fact that McGregor has outclassed his MMA opponents is meaningless here.

One could argue that it's also a 'pro' that McGregor can now focus solely on defending punches, but at what point does instinct kick in, where he just naturally is watching for non-punch attacks. Wonder if Mayweather would feign some MMA like attacks, just to throw McGregor off?

Either way, I'd like to think it's a snowball's chance in hell that McGregor can win, but as Honey Roy Palmer once said "anybody can get lucky".

I don't disagree with any of that.

Nor should you - or anyone for that matter. It was a brilliantly worded post!