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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2018, 07:26:23 PM »
Wow, the Stars gave Seguin a shit ton of money.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2018, 10:30:55 PM »
If Melnyk thought attendance was low before, he hasnít seen the worst of it yet after todayís boneheaded move. How stupid is this guy? Erik basically said today that he didnít want to leave and that he didnít request a trade.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2018, 04:48:17 AM »
If Melnyk thought attendance was low before, he hasnít seen the worst of it yet after todayís boneheaded move. How stupid is this guy? Erik basically said today that he didnít want to leave and that he didnít request a trade.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't the 'right' move for the business.  Was it the right move, probably not.  But one needs to extract whatever value for an asset that is going to vanish.  Look, if you knew your car was going to explode next year, and you hardly drive it to begin with, would you try to sell it for something - to someone that could use it for that time a lot better than you could/would?  It sucks for the fans, but I can see how Genie and Dorian see this as short-term pain for a longer term gain.  If they start winning in a couple years as picks develop, all will be forgotten or forgiven.  Hell, if they do a decent job this year, maybe they can even sign Karlsson back as an RFA?  If he loves the city as much as he says, maybe they'll have a chance at him next summer.

That's a helluva 1-2 offensive combo that the Sharks have now.  Both Burns and Karlsson are going to have to adapt to sharing the #1 role.  Wonder how that's gonna work out.  It's like if Coffey and Bourque were playing together.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2018, 07:45:40 AM »
Definitely don't need Karlsson in the Pacific. That's going to be a nightmare for the Oil and their porous defense. I understand why the Sens wouldn't want to trade him to another Eastern Conference team, but I honestly thought he would end up in Tampa or Boston. What's kinda funny is that Dorian didn't want to give up last year's 1st round pick in the Duchene deal since Ottawa was projecting to be a bottom team, so he gave them the 2019 1st rounder. This season they'll  be lucky to finish within 20pts of the 30th place team, so that pick is going to be stellar for Colorado.

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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2018, 08:37:28 AM »
The Sharks just elevated themselves to favorites in the West for sure.  They should be able to have Brent Burns or Karlsson on the ice for almost an entire game. 
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2018, 09:16:31 AM »
Looks like Zetterberg and the Red Wings have made it official:
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over

Great player and one of my favorite Red Wings.  He wasn't as flashy as Datsyuk, but he was a hell of a player, and it was fun to watch him drive opposing players like Crosby and Toews absolutely batty in the postseason.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2018, 09:21:18 AM »
Looks like Zetterberg and the Red Wings have made it official:
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over

Great player and one of my favorite Red Wings.  He wasn't as flashy as Datsyuk, but he was a hell of a player, and it was fun to watch him drive opposing players like Crosby and Toews absolutely batty in the postseason.

Definitely one of the top players of the last decade or so, and an all around classy fellow.

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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2018, 09:34:37 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2018, 09:44:38 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2018, 09:48:45 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.

I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.
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« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2018, 09:50:32 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.

Well, at least they're in the same division as the Sens and Habs, so it's not that much of an incline.
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« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2018, 09:51:22 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.

I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.

The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2018, 10:01:26 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.

I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.

The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!

I appreciate the optimism,  but the Oilers would need a whole lot to go right for them to finish 20th.

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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2018, 10:08:26 AM »
Indeed.  Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.

Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.

I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.

The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!

I appreciate the optimism,  but the Oilers would need a whole lot to go right for them to finish 20th.

I really feel like if you have a $10M+ player on your roster, that you should be exempt from having a shot at the #1 pick in the next draft (not exempt from the first round draft altogether, just exempt from the lottery for #1).  I don't even know how Oilers keep scooping those #1 pick in the draft for four years out of six (and three in a row) before they got McDavid.
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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2018, 10:51:26 AM »


I really feel like if you have a $10M+ player on your roster, that you should be exempt from having a shot at the #1 pick in the next draft (not exempt from the first round draft altogether, just exempt from the lottery for #1).  I don't even know how Oilers keep scooping those #1 pick in the draft for four years out of six (and three in a row).
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Well, they haven't had a top pick since McDavid, and that was purely luck. The others were a direct result of being one of the worst teams in the league for a decade, both in on ice performance and front office competency.

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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2018, 11:16:09 AM »
Front office has to take a lot of the blame.  The league is very much a draft/development one.  Even without top-3 picks, good teams succeed.  Leafs won a massive bonus in Matthews, but even without him they'd be in pretty good shape - Marner/Nylander, Tavares and Marleau as nice FA signings; Anderson as a Top-10 horse of a goalie, and they'd likely be able to build out a stronger blueline if not for having to save money for Matthews' signing next year.

It's actually pretty impressive that the Oil can be so consistently futile with the number of high picks they've had.
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« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2018, 01:04:03 PM »
Front office has to take a lot of the blame.  The league is very much a draft/development one.  Even without top-3 picks, good teams succeed.  Leafs won a massive bonus in Matthews, but even without him they'd be in pretty good shape - Marner/Nylander, Tavares and Marleau as nice FA signings; Anderson as a Top-10 horse of a goalie, and they'd likely be able to build out a stronger blueline if not for having to save money for Matthews' signing next year.

It's actually pretty impressive that the Oil can be so consistently futile with the number of high picks they've had.
It's actually pretty easy when the owner himself steps in to override decisions made by a dozen minds in the scouting department *cough* Nail Yakupov *cough*

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Re: Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. A look at the Atlantic
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2018, 01:18:29 PM »
Holy shit did Seguin hit the jackpot. The Dallas Stars are playing Russian roulette with that contract.


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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2018, 01:19:34 PM »
That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?
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« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2018, 01:38:01 PM »
That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?

Gotta be bottom 2 or 3 of all time.

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« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2018, 01:55:03 PM »
That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?

Patrik Stefan has dibs on that one, I think.

Actually, save the Sedins, Henrik Zetterberg, and Ryan Miller, that whole 1999 draft can be labeled a bust.
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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2018, 01:59:33 PM »
Or DiPietro. I forgot he went 1st overall in 2000

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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2018, 02:16:09 PM »
Or DiPietro. I forgot he went 1st overall in 2000

Yeah, he's up there for sure.  Hard to put Yakupov in the 'all-time' category already, since it's only been 6 years.  That 2012 draft looks pretty weak overall.

As for the best, clearly Lemieux has that locked up, and Sid has to be considered the second best.  After that, who's the next best #1 overall pick.  Ovi?  Lindross?  Lafleur?  I'd go with Lindross personally.
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