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2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« on: June 22, 2015, 07:00:49 PM »
The 2015 playoffs were as big a departure from the norm as I can recall at any point in my life. No Lakers, Knicks, Heat, Pistons, or Thunder plus the Spurs and Celtics were gone by round 2. The Celtics weren't expected to go far this early in their rebuilding, anyway, and the Knicks/Lakers have almost been condemned to failure for a few years running. However, I meant this as more of a big picture thing from a historical perspective in that it was shocking to see the absence of such a large group of teams whose collective all time success has basically blanketed the NBA from its very inception to present:

1949-54: Minneapolis Lakers dynasty where they won every NBA championship except for 1951

1957-69: Red Auerbach, Bill Russell, and Bob Cousy's unprecedented and unmatched 8-peat which extended to 11 titles in 13 years. Cousy retired following the '63 championship series but was widely considered the Jordan of his day due to his versatility and superb ball handling skills so he needs to be included despite missing the final five titles.

1970-79: A free-for-all during the NBA's closest brush with actual parity. The Knicks and Celtics were the closest any team came to legitimate dominance but each only won two titles during this period (Knicks in '70 and '73, Celtics in '74 and '76.) Despite the lack of a clear cut alpha, there was definitely a theme of business as usual since the '70, '72, and '73 NBA championship series were all Lakers/Knicks pairings and the Supersonics and Bullets faced off in consecutive seasons from 1978-79. There was a virtual army of repeat NBA finalists during this stretch with the Bullets appearing 4 times, the Lakers and Knicks 3 times each, and the Bucks, Supersonics, and Celtics twice each.

1980-88: Magic and Bird tell the rest of the NBA to fuck off. Dr. J and Moses Malone's 1983 "Fo, fo, fo!" team is the only thing interrupting a potential 2-team 9-peat.

1989-2002: Age of the repeat offender. This actually extends back to the last 2 years of the previous era with the '87-'88 Laker title teams. Aside from the '99 Spurs, we had a 16-year stretch where no team could win without repeating or even 3-peating. Interestingly enough, every champion from '89-99 had never won before this era.

2003-2015: VIP Party. Aside from the Mavs and Warriors, every team to have won during this time frame had either won in a previous era or would go on to win multiple titles during this era and the Warriors may join the rest in the near future so it's really too early to judge on their status.


With that back story established, it seems like the NBA has its most legitimate shot at not being a good ol' boys club in league history. The east is a crap shoot and will likely remain as such for at least 2-3 years. The Spurs can't realistically be counted out in any season until they finally fuck things up for themselves and that hasn't happened yet. In fact, the last two times they've had a losing season, they've literally improved by 35 and 36 games the following seasons respectively (1988-89 they went 21-61 followed by 56-26 in 1989-90; 1996-97 they went 20-62 followed by another 56-26 comeback year in 1997-98; these two comeback years were also the rookie seasons of David Robinson and Tim Duncan.)

The Thunder have a lot of unknowns between the arrival of a new coach, the uncertainty of whether or not Kevin Durant will re-sign, and also if Russell Westbrook's emergence as a powerhouse will work for them or create confusion as to how their offense is gonna run with a healthy Durant back in the lineup. After narrowly missing the playoffs, they'll be hungry as fuck this year for sure though, that's beyond obvious.

The Lakers are already rumored to be after Dwyane Wade and Demarcus Cousins. Not sure if they have the cap flexibility to land both or if they even intend on landing both if either of the two is landed. Kobe and Peyton Manning seem to have a lot in common right now with both being all time greats in their twilight, fighting through major health issues, and being far too determined to let anyone other than themselves make the call for them as to when it's all over for good.

The Mavs almost seem to be a long swan song for Dirk as a sign of gratitude from Mark Cuban. He's not quite washed up yet but has definitely lost a step and they don't seem poised to do anything better than maintain the status quo given the fact that Rondo is their biggest free agent acquisition in years and he's not even a true top tier player as of the last couple seasons.


This analysis all really hints at teams like the Warriors, Grizzlies, Rockets, Blazers, and Clippers forming the western conference's playoff nucleus for the next 5-7 years with teams like the Spurs, Thunder, and Pelicans filling out the remaining spots more times than not.
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 07:43:14 PM »
I don't pay a lot of attention to the East, but the Cavs seem the most likely to be perennial playoff contenders.  Even if the rumors of Love packing up and leaving prove true, they seem serious about rebuilding, and LeBron alone should carry them past a lot of the other teams in the East.
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 08:17:50 AM »
I don't pay a lot of attention to the East, but the Cavs seem the most likely to be perennial playoff contenders.  Even if the rumors of Love packing up and leaving prove true, they seem serious about rebuilding, and LeBron alone should carry them past a lot of the other teams in the East.

I agree with this but I'd like to wait and see what the free agents do. Lots of good players and several teams in the east that would benefit a lot from getting them.
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 08:22:01 PM »
It's always fun to see different teams advance instead of the same old, same old.  Golden St., Houston, Cleveland and Atlanta were this year's last four teams standing. :tup :tup

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 09:20:11 PM »
It's always fun to see different teams advance instead of the same old, same old.  Golden St., Houston, Cleveland and Atlanta were this year's last four teams standing. :tup :tup

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 08:20:38 AM »
I'm interested to see if the Bucks and Wizards can raise their game a level next year. Washington has been a conference semifinalist the last two years and Wall is entering is prime, while Milwaukee was a huge surprise this season and have a ton of young talent.

Also interested to see what Anthony Davis does next year. Dude's a beast.
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 09:48:46 AM »
I'm interested to see if the Bucks and Wizards can raise their game a level next year. Washington has been a conference semifinalist the last two years and Wall is entering is prime, while Milwaukee was a huge surprise this season and have a ton of young talent.

Also interested to see what Anthony Davis does next year. Dude's a beast.

rumor is Jabari Parker will be ready for the opener after tearing his ACL last December.  He is also reported to be in much better shape.  Bucks fans are giddy with excitement.
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2015, 06:18:30 AM »
My prediction for tonight's draft... the Minnesota T-Wolves are going to draft D'Angelo Russell! Yes, they need more PGs!  :lol

Oh, and why are we having a new thread every year? Why not keep the existing one going?
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2015, 07:30:57 PM »
Based on previous reasons stated as to why high-post-volume threads are restarted with newer additions, the forum's software begins to have trouble dealing with threads that exceed 100-125 pages. This isn't the case with the 2014-15 NBA thread but it would easily occur every two years so the fact that it'd inevitably have to be restarted every two years coupled with the benefit of having each season's discussion organized within their own respective threads makes it pretty beneficial to separate the threads by season :hat
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2015, 06:38:44 AM »
So what do you guys think about last night's draft? I thought the T-Wolves, Lakers and even the Knicks all got the right guy for their teams. Oh, and what is up with those Knicks' fans and Stephen A. Smith? I mean, don't be stupid and just STFU! Let Porzingis play first before you guys boo him already! He cannot be any worse than those clowns in Knicks uniforms last season!  :hat
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2015, 10:33:32 AM »
He cannot be any worse than those clowns in Knicks uniforms last season!  :hat

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 04:21:05 PM »
I only watched the first few picks last night, but that was utterly classless of Knicks fans to boo the guy like that. :tdwn :tdwn

And LOL at Carmelo Anthony being unhappy about the pick considering he was never won shit in the NBA and took more money to stay on that clown team rather than go somewhere else to be a contributor to a winning team.

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2015, 08:54:45 AM »
So which big name FA will have the hardest time in finding a team? I'd say he is Rondo! After what he had done in Dallas, it is HARD to imagine anyone would sign him to a big contract. Ok, as strange as it may sound, I think he fits in with the Cavs quite well; yet will he be willing to play as Irving's backup?
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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2015, 09:06:47 AM »
I only watched the first few picks last night, but that was utterly classless of Knicks fans to boo the guy like that. :tdwn :tdwn

They were going to boo whoever got picked because that's the way the fanbase is. Listening to NY sports radio all the time the New York fans thrive on negativity despite claiming that their respective teams are miserable. They're obsessed with being able to complain and tend to fabricate things to complain about if everything is going OK.

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 09:08:40 AM »
And yet we are supposed to believe that New York is the best city with the best sports fans in the world. :lol :lol

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 10:27:49 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 07:34:52 PM »
And yet we are supposed to believe that New York is the best city with the best sports fans in the world. :lol :lol

I don't know who's the better "fan" between that and those bandwagon fans in Miami... I mean Cleveland...  :lol  :lol  :lol
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2015, 08:41:13 PM »
And yet we are supposed to believe that New York is the best city with the best sports fans in the world. :lol :lol

I'm not sure how it is in other cities but New York fans are incredibly reactionary, "what have you done for me lately", and Chicken Little even after one loss. Everyone is an armchair GM (not exclusive to NY) and confidently expresses their opinions as the guaranteed state of the team based on terrible knowledge and foresight of situations which come from doom and gloom articles in the NY media. There is a forum I go to for the Mets which is full of generally intelligent people and goes more in depth with the farm system and whatnot but even after a loss (a common occurrence) I refuse to go into certain threads because it depresses the shit out of me. I'm not even looking for a rose-colored glasses kind of thing but just rational discussion whereas most sports fan can't help but react in an emotional knee jerky way.

After Porzingis was drafted I heard maybe 1 positive outlook caller on the radio for every 10. Also when I heard about Carmelo most likely being unhappy with the pick I couldn't help but laugh because I get the feeling he thinks he runs the team while completely ignoring the fact that Jackson was brought in not to appease him but to build a decade long championship contender and needs to build from the ground up.

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2015, 09:39:54 PM »
I'm not sure how it is in other cities but New York fans are incredibly reactionary, "what have you done for me lately", and Chicken Little even after one loss. Everyone is an armchair GM (not exclusive to NY) and confidently expresses their opinions as the guaranteed state of the team based on terrible knowledge and foresight of situations which come from doom and gloom articles in the NY media. There is a forum I go to for the Mets which is full of generally intelligent people and goes more in depth with the farm system and whatnot but even after a loss (a common occurrence) I refuse to go into certain threads because it depresses the shit out of me. I'm not even looking for a rose-colored glasses kind of thing but just rational discussion whereas most sports fan can't help but react in an emotional knee jerky way.

After Porzingis was drafted I heard maybe 1 positive outlook caller on the radio for every 10. Also when I heard about Carmelo most likely being unhappy with the pick I couldn't help but laugh because I get the feeling he thinks he runs the team while completely ignoring the fact that Jackson was brought in not to appease him but to build a decade long championship contender and needs to build from the ground up.

Using the same logic on Melo... what have you done for the Knicks, like ever? So before you act like a crybaby, maybe start winning more games first?  :lol
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2015, 10:32:05 PM »
Are you kidding me? He takes more shots than any other Knick.
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2015, 10:44:49 PM »
Yeah to be fair he is kind of a one man team at this point but the issue is that Jackson was brought in to build from the ground up and unfortunately has to deal with a me-first player who hasn't won with his clock ticking. If some team was willing to take him off the Knicks hands I wouldn't doubt there would be a very quick mutual agreement to part ways but the challenge is to even find that other team.

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2015, 10:51:50 PM »
How about Melo waiving his no-trade clause first, and the Knicks send him back to the Nuggets for Ty Lawson + Wilson Chandler? Assuming the Nuggets wouldn't let go of Gallinari.
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2015, 08:31:05 PM »
Love re-signs in the Cleve.

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13181983/kevin-love-agrees-five-year-110-million-contract-cleveland-cavaliers

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Re: 2015-16 NBA thread v. Changing of the guard
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2015, 09:30:03 AM »
The Clippers got rid of Matt Barnes earlier, and now signing Pierce addresses their needs for a backup SF. Hell, with CP3, Redick, Stephenson and Crawford, they only need him for 10-15 mins a game anyway. He can still be very dangerous for just 10 mins of PT a game! Don't believe me? Try to leave him open on the weak side and you will see.

On top of all that, he is cheap! Just barely over $3M per season. As much as I hate the Clippers, this is one great signing.
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2015, 05:47:55 PM »
Bucks get Greg Monroe....Fear the deer.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2015, 07:54:50 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2015, 06:50:51 PM »
Mavs sign DeAndre Jordan and Wesley Matthews.  Cool, but not nearly enough to return them to relevance.

I'm hoping Aldridge signs with the Spurs, that would be a great fit.

Bucks get Greg Monroe....Fear the deer.

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« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2015, 12:05:24 AM »
Sacramento is a mess.
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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2015, 10:56:34 AM »
Sac-town getting Rondo couldn't be a better case of poetic justice for both parties.
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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2015, 11:24:17 AM »
Subbing to the new thread.

Happy the Mavs finally landed a name free agent, though, as has been pointed out, don't know that it makes them that much better. I hope they sign Lin as their point guard; I think he would do well in Carlisle's offense.

Sad to see DC leave the Hawks but glad we retained Milsap. Splitter is an interesting addition.

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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2015, 11:46:06 AM »
Which they did...holy shit.

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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2015, 11:59:51 AM »
Always a Hawks fan at heart because they are the local team and I love supporting them but my favorite players these past few years have been Lillard and Aldridge. So I really became a big Portland fan these past few years but seeing that their whole starting lineup aside from Lillard is gone, I'm going to start following these other players. I've always liked the Spurs but I think they might be my favorite team next year seeing as L.A. signed with them. It's weird because in NBA I like a lot of teams but I really just follow players more than anything, unlike college sports of course. It makes me feel like a bandwagon fan but Aldridge is one of my favorites and I think him being with the Spurs is an awesome fit.

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2015, 04:50:37 PM »
It makes me feel like a bandwagon fan but Aldridge is one of my favorites and I think him being with the Spurs is an awesome fit.

Don't let other people dictate how to be a fan.  Some people take this stuff way too seriously.   Come on board with the Spurs, man.  It's gonna be a fun year  :corn

Outside of the Spurs, I'm also mostly a player fan and root for a number of teams because of the players on them.  I definitely won't feel as attached to the Spurs once Timmy, Manu, and Parker are gone.   The young bloods are quite likable as well, though. 

Already feeling bad for the defenders that are gonna have to make quick decisions on those TP/Kawhi and LMA pick and rolls/pops  :tup
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