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Re: Hardest Shows To Find Bootlegs For
« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2015, 01:38:15 PM »
All the audio bootlegs in existence amount to about ~600GB at best, the rest is video. Let's say there are 10 Blu Ray recordings out there, those are another 200GB circa. The rest is all video bootlegs.

Let's say the average size of a DVD bootleg is 5GB (accounting for the both the double DVDs and the lighter ones), it gives around 1.2TB/5GB=240 DVDs circa. It's a rough estimate, but it shouldn't be too far from the truth.

Wait, it was 3TB, not 2TB. This makes the overall number of DVDs around 400. It's way too many, maybe I underestimated the overall audio share of the collection.
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« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2015, 02:10:40 PM »
I'm thinking that audio guestimate should be higher.  I have over 500 audio boots and I know I don't have everything out there.  You gotta figure they average at least 1GB per show because those "Evening With" shows are close to (or over) 2GB each, right?  Plus, you have 16- and 24-bit versions of many shows.  It could be close to 1TB.

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« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2015, 02:15:25 PM »
Even then the total Video minus Blu Ray still amounts to 1.5 TB at least! That's huge!
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« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2015, 02:31:54 PM »
I'm thinking that audio guestimate should be higher.  I have over 500 audio boots and I know I don't have everything out there.  You gotta figure they average at least 1GB per show because those "Evening With" shows are close to (or over) 2GB each, right?  Plus, you have 16- and 24-bit versions of many shows.  It could be close to 1TB.
Besides the varying length of the shows and if they're 16 or 24 bit (nevermind if they're 44kHz, 48kHz or 96kHz), there's also compression - FLAC, SHN and no compression at all. So amount of space that an audio collection of boots can take can vary a lot, depending on those things.
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« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2015, 10:27:00 PM »
I would definitely think that audio total would be closer to 1TB.  I have around 600GB of DT shows now and still missing a handful.

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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2015, 10:33:54 AM »
They were not all DT.

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« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2015, 11:09:34 AM »
Of course we leave out the most obvious of answers.   :lol

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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2015, 05:28:00 PM »
It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.

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« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2015, 09:45:50 AM »
I'm starting to realize that.  I keep finding more shows that I don't have.  My 1TB drive is almost at its max and I've had to start taking shows off it and archiving them on disc to make room for more shows to download. 

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« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2015, 09:50:22 AM »
It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.

From youtube or uncompressed files?  :omg:
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« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2015, 04:53:19 PM »
It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.

From youtube or uncompressed files?  :omg:

Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)

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« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2015, 06:01:36 PM »
It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.

From youtube or uncompressed files?  :omg:

Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)

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« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2015, 06:46:46 PM »
It's a lot more than a TB. The shows I have on HD's is over 2TB and most are 48/24 flac. I also have another 2 to 300 shows on CD. I have another 10TB of video, but I don't save the type of video the normal collector saves. Most of my video is raw camera from multiple angles.

From youtube or uncompressed files?  :omg:

Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)

Come on, Bob.  I'll hold him down while you whip him with some pepperoni.   :lol

mmmmm. I like pepperoni   :rollin

But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.

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« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2015, 09:48:40 PM »
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428   :biggrin:
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« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2015, 10:26:52 PM »
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428   :biggrin:

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Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list? 


mmmmm. I like pepperoni   :rollin

But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.

I know all about your GDT and DT stuff obviously, but what do you have by NMB? 

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« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2015, 11:51:29 PM »
Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list? 
Are you referring to the Mansfield 1998 show? If so, actually it was OpenYourEyes311 who wanted that particular show - just checked my HD o'boots and I've already got that one. Sorry for the confusion.

Of course, if it's a different show you're speaking of, which one?
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« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2015, 12:16:38 AM »
Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list? 
Are you referring to the Mansfield 1998 show? If so, actually it was OpenYourEyes311 who wanted that particular show - just checked my HD o'boots and I've already got that one. Sorry for the confusion.

Of course, if it's a different show you're speaking of, which one?

No, that's the one in the original list. I shall cross it off because we both have it now.  :)  I already shared it with OpenYourEyes311.

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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2015, 12:43:23 AM »
It was a deliberate error, people, come on!  :rollin
I could never forget what kind of stuff I believe Bob has in his unique collection! I was just making sure, since 10TB is really a lot of stuff.
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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2015, 07:16:02 AM »
Come on Marco!! You know what kind of footage I have, and it's mostly uncompressed HD camera masters. How quickly they forget   ::)
I guess you didn't see that Marco is loosing it! http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43622.msg1950428#msg1950428   :biggrin:

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Hey Scotty, did you want a copy of that show I found that was in your list? 


mmmmm. I like pepperoni   :rollin

But seriously, between the shows I have taped, the GDT shows I master, the stuff I did for DT, LTE, MP, FC, TA, TWD and NMB at last count 15 HD's. Video editing takes up a lot of HD.

I know all about your GDT and DT stuff obviously, but what do you have by NMB?

I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.

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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2015, 07:29:02 AM »

I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.

That's impressive. I had no idea you were involved with that.  Nice job!   :tup

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« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2015, 05:05:03 PM »

I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.

That's impressive. I had no idea you were involved with that.  Nice job!   :tup

Thanks. That was a very difficult 4 months.

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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2015, 06:52:01 PM »
I'm sure the finished product was worth it though.  It really is one of my favorite live releases.  Neal Morse has become an idol to me for many reasons. 

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« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2015, 03:49:50 AM »
3TB is a mighty big collection! I reckon there must be something really interesting there, keep us posted with the details if and when you create a list out of that!

Ok i had to copy this collection over a couple of hard drives. This is a list of the videos on HD1. I haven't come across anything from the OP yet though

1987-08-18 Majesty In The Basement
1989-04-26 New York
1989-10-14 Bay Shore
1992-06-03 Deer Park
1992-09-27 New York
1992-10-04 Deer Park
1993-01-08 Brooklyn
1993-01-16 Buffalo
1993-01-24 Cincinatti
1993-04-02 Copenhagen
1993-04-10 Utrecht
1993-07-20 Toronto
1993-07-22 New York
1993-11-15 Milan
1994-06-03 Huntingdon
1994-09-09 Burbank
1994-10-28 New York
1994-11-08 Minneapolis
1995-01-24 Saitama
1995-02-14 Utrecht
1995-02-19 Oslo
1995-03-13 Paris
1998-03-04 Helsinki
1998-05-08 Irving PLaza
1998-06-23 London
1999-07-31 Korea
2000-05-12 Tokyo
2000-08-16 San Francisco
2002-01-19 New York
2002-03-13 Minneapolis
2002-03-27 New York
2002-03-28 New York
2002-09-06 Baltimore
2002-09-14 Wantagh
2003-07-05 Montreal
2003-07-11 Wanatgh
2004-02-10 Barcelona
2004-03-25 Toronto
2004-08-17 Quebec
2004-08-28 Wantagh
2004-09-03 Allentown
2005-08-23 Wantagh
2005-10-04 Poznan
2006-01-19 Seoul
2006-03-24 Quebec
2007-06-03 Milan
2007-06-12 Katowice
2007-06-20 Porto
2007-06-23 Zaragoza
2007-06-26 Clermont Ferrand
2007-07-27 Los Angeles
2007-10-08 Frankfurt
2008-01-17 Singapore
2009-06-10 Moscow
2009-07-24 Miami
2009-08-14 Toronto
2010-03-18 Curitiba
2010-07-02 Columbus
2011-08-04 Szekesfehervar
2014-02-14 London (also bluray)
2014-07-18 Gelsenkirchen (also bluray)

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« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2015, 04:36:24 AM »
Alright, those are all well known a d widely circulated!
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« Reply #94 on: April 30, 2015, 04:43:59 AM »
Ok. I don't think i will unearth anything special, as Axel (Rory Gallagher) shares his stuff on many a Hub. I won't bother listing the rest  :-\

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« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2015, 07:42:03 AM »
Still, it's a good collection, though not complete. Did you own many of those already?
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« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2015, 11:38:01 AM »
Ok. I don't think i will unearth anything special, as Axel (Rory Gallagher) shares his stuff on many a Hub. I won't bother listing the rest  :-\
Actually twanky, would you mind listing the rest? There's always a chance that there's something that isn't widely circulated. And for those of us who don't have complete collections, it's nice to know what is definitely out there in circulation (instead of having to look at a million different lists).
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« Reply #97 on: May 01, 2015, 12:33:15 PM »
Still, it's a good collection, though not complete. Did you own many of those already?

Probably around 10 or so before the trade


Actually twanky, would you mind listing the rest? There's always a chance that there's something that isn't widely circulated. And for those of us who don't have complete collections, it's nice to know what is definitely out there in circulation (instead of having to look at a million different lists).

Yeah no problem, i will get on with it this weekend

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« Reply #98 on: May 01, 2015, 12:55:10 PM »
I may have Roma 2000 on my oldest HD (not the one that was dropped), which may or may not still be fuctioning and may or may not be this side of the Thyrrenian sea. If you are talking audio, I don't think there ever was a video version of that.
If my somewhat small knowledge of bootlegs doesn't prove me wrong, I think you're correct. I don't think there ever was a video version. I too have the audio, however, I think the hard drive it was on was lost in the mists of time (the HDD failed) however, if I'm wrong, and I have that, I'll find a way to get it to you guys!
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« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2015, 07:40:11 PM »
I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
What sorts of compression you use for the raw video?
As someone with a stupid fascination with placebo fidelity, I eagerly await the day when having 19TB for that raw footage (assuming 1080p, 8 bit color, 29.97 fps) is feasible.
Right now I do archiving of my school plays, and since I'm an unemployed high school student, I'm struggling to have a place to store all that video. Before control of video production equipment was turned over to an old dick, I'd have at least two angles * three performances * 90 minutes of each play in 24Mb/s H.264 1080p video... I miss those days. Now I know a thing or two about audio recording (the cameras I used at the time only support stereo AC3@384kbps) and could make a really good quality Blu-Ray of my school plays. Oh well...
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« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2015, 06:04:54 AM »
I was executive producer for T2 live in LA. That show is almost 2TB. 3 hours, 10 raw cameras, edit masters, outputs in HD and SD, all the raw audio, and final audio. Artwork, menus and associated filework.
What sorts of compression you use for the raw video?
As someone with a stupid fascination with placebo fidelity, I eagerly await the day when having 19TB for that raw footage (assuming 1080p, 8 bit color, 29.97 fps) is feasible.
Right now I do archiving of my school plays, and since I'm an unemployed high school student, I'm struggling to have a place to store all that video. Before control of video production equipment was turned over to an old dick, I'd have at least two angles * three performances * 90 minutes of each play in 24Mb/s H.264 1080p video... I miss those days. Now I know a thing or two about audio recording (the cameras I used at the time only support stereo AC3@384kbps) and could make a really good quality Blu-Ray of my school plays. Oh well...

I mostly use prores and H.264. But you have to be careful as there are various levels of compression. For full archival I never go below 1k stream. For the hires stuff I usually will go prores 444 10 or 12 bit, it doesn't shrink the video by a whole lot, but at least if I need the footage later, I don't have to go through the decompression. Lately I have been using the ARRI Alexia or Black Magic cameras that shoot these formats natively.