The DC Movies Thread v AQUAMAN

[hefdaddy42]

Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.

I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king.  Not sure what you were reading.

Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.

[King Postwhore]

Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.

I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king.  Not sure what you were reading.

Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.

So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.

BTW, where is this that Superman is willing to kill in the last 2 movies.  You tell me where he is willing without remorse or inner pain to kill someone.  We are not talking good guys. Zod wanted to lay wait to Earth.  What was so wrong with that?  I have no problem with that.

[BlackInk]

I never had a problem with him killing Zod either. And they clearly made a point by showing that he hated doing it, even to the point of manifesting how he felt about it as physical pain with that scream.

[King Postwhore]

Right.  It's obvious that he stresses over everything and that's why fans have tagged him "Emo Superman".

[Adami]

He also used populated buildings as playthings, throwing Zod through buildings and killing thousands of people in the process. He did all of this without remorse. Sure, you can say it was all Zod's fault, but Supes is 50% to blame for bringing it the way he did.

[King Postwhore]

I said before and this is my take but he's never been in a full on brawl for his life with a person of his strength and who was trained in battle.  He's fighting for his life.  Human nature (I know  lol) is to not think of your surroundings when your life is on the line.

[Adami]

I said before and this is my take but he's never been in a full on brawl for his life with a person of his strength and who was trained in battle.  He's fighting for his life.  Human nature (I know  lol) is to not think of your surroundings when your life is on the line.

That's cool. But he still caused the deaths of thousands of innocents without the slightest regard. People just have an issue with that. It's not really directed at Superman himself, but at the writers who were more interested in lots of boom boom and pow pow than they were making authentic characters.

[hefdaddy42]

Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.

I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king.  Not sure what you were reading.

Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.

So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.

Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone.  For the first time since the 1940s.  Which shows how out of character it was.

[King Postwhore]

I never get why it can't change Hef.  Why are people so stubborn about it.  It's not like he's going all killer on people.  Maybe it's just not articulated by a below average director on the pain Superman or Batman feels.  IDN, it doesn't bother me much.

[SchecterShredder]

Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.

I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king.  Not sure what you were reading.

Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.

So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.

Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone.  For the first time since the 1940s.  Which shows how out of character it was.

Not quite the first time Batman has killed....

https://www.dorkly.com/video/76737/9-times-batman-broke-his-one-rule

[ariich]

Not in the 90's comic book versions of them.

I read the comic in the 90's and don't remember any such deviation, king.  Not sure what you were reading.

Hell, even in Kingdom Come, the biggest difference amongst Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman was that WW was willing to kill, and the other two weren't.

So with Frank Miller's Batman in the late 80's he kills Joker. That's just one example.

Yes, Frank Miller's Batman, in a story set at the end of his career, FINALLY has Batman killing someone.  For the first time since the 1940s.  Which shows how out of character it was.

Isn't that sort of what they're going for with the current Batman? He's old and grizzled and fed up.

[hefdaddy42]

Is that the best way to introduce the character into this new film universe?  By him being OUT of character, and just a brutal killing machine?

I get that a character can be driven to that point, but he is starting out at that point here.

[King Postwhore]

Brutal killing machine?  That insinuates that he did the killing with malice.  It's obvious it wore on Superman and Batman is dark enough to kill villains.

[Kotowboy]

It's just like Avatar and Chino all over again.

[King Postwhore]

Not even close buddy. I never said this movie is the shiznit.

[Kotowboy]

[hefdaddy42]

Brutal killing machine?  That insinuates that he did the killing with malice. 

No it doesn't.  It SAYS that he kills a lot of people, brutally.  It doesn't INSINUATE anything.

Just because you personally don't have a problem with it doesn't mean it isn't a valid criticism.

[King Postwhore]

It's an argument I've had with my cousin for a long time.  You know the one that I bitched about helping move those boxes on Facebook.   He can't stand when anything is different then his version of a superhero.  He's loosened up over the years but it was so bad that he hated the darker blue for the Superman costume.

So I tend to like something a little more modern or even flawed as a superhero.  The real issue is some directors do it better so it doesn't upset the fan base as much.  Snyder has not done that well.

[Zantera]

Considering Batman broke his "no kill" rule in the comics after the Joker killed Robin, it would make sense if they mirrored that in the DCEU Batman. We've had plenty of different Batmans on screen and I'm happy they went a different route with him.

[hefdaddy42]

He can't stand when anything is different then his version of a superhero.  He's loosened up over the years but it was so bad that he hated the darker blue for the Superman costume.

I'm not concerned with "my" version of any superhero.  I am concerned with the general historical portrayal of the character, regardless of the character.

I hate the darker blue on the Superman costume as well.

[Zantera]

I guess this quote by Zack Snyder from 2008 should have told us everything about what to expect from his version of Batman:

Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. ”Batman’s dark.” I’m like, okay, ”No, Batman’s cool.” He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go.

[Accelerando]

Guys. The Batman V Superman "How It Should Have Ended Episode" is on point 

Behold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTuyfQ5CR4Q

[jingle.boy]

That was totally worth 8 minutes of my morning!

[Kotowboy]

I might actually enjoy this one. I'll cue it up

[Kotowboy]

Definitely goes on too long.

[Adami]

Definitely goes on too long.

I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!

[Kotowboy]

Definitely goes on too long.

I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!

Rated R.


R for Reealllyyy ?

[Adami]

Definitely goes on too long.

I totally agree, and now they're going to release a 3 hour version!

Rated R.


R for Reealllyyy ?

Based on that Snyder interview he did some years back about how he would treat Batman, I hope it's rated R for rape.

[Kotowboy]

The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.

There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.

  FFS.

Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?

[King Postwhore]

The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.

There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.

  FFS.

Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?

You are a DC drama quenn.

[Adami]

The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.

There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.

  FFS.

From what I've read (which might not be everything you've read) the Robin comments are based 100% on the weapon he had in his little display case which people assume was meant for brutal murder. Nothing else.

[Kotowboy]

The V in Batman V Superman clearly stands for Violence.

There was a report that Robin was originally in BVS and he too was a murdering psychopath.

  FFS.

Why not have a scene where Superman Pisses on the grave of Christopher Reeve ?

You are a DC drama quenn.

Marvel are doing it so much better right now.

[BlackInk]

While I agree with that, Marvel is making better movies at the moment, I don't want DC to go that route. I want my Marvel fun, and I want my DC dark. It fits. They just need to fix some writing problems.

[Kotowboy]

Yes ...

Man Of Steel wasn't as bad script wise but Snyder is not really a very good director. I'd put him on the same level as George Lucas. A lot of stuff on screen but incompetent in every other area.

[BlackInk]

I don't have as much of a problem with Snyder's direction. It's not perfect, and it can be a bit wonky at times, but Im overall fine with it. I just want a consistently good story in a DC movie. Not an "okay" one with better moments.