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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #175 on: January 20, 2016, 02:00:17 PM »
Maybe it's me projecting here but I though during that fight that this day was his first real fighting.  Who on his time on earth could he fight?  So He was in an all out, knock down battle for his life and getting to a safer spot to fight never occurred to him in that moment.
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« Reply #176 on: January 20, 2016, 02:06:06 PM »
Well then he's a big blue doofus.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #177 on: January 20, 2016, 02:08:33 PM »
Well then he's a big blue doofus.

Well, but that is nothing new.
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« Reply #178 on: January 20, 2016, 02:09:28 PM »
Indeed.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #179 on: January 20, 2016, 02:10:01 PM »
And to help your thought process, the other Superman movies did show him wanting to take the fight to a safer place.  It just crossed my mind at the time I saw it in the theaters he was fighting for his life.

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« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2016, 10:57:49 PM »
The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.

Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #181 on: January 21, 2016, 05:12:22 AM »
The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.

Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.

I don't think anyone is saying it's a flaw in the story, just that it's the reason Batman has a hate on for Superman.  It seems as though you're mixing real-life opinions of the movie vs speculation around the fiction of the storyline.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #182 on: January 21, 2016, 06:08:08 AM »
You can attribute them to Zod if you want.  But Zod was there because of Superman, and by taking part in the combat Superman is also culpable.  He was fighting and punching through buildings too.

Yes, he was fighting to save himself and the world. It's not like he initiated anything. It's fine if Batman or whoever else want to hold Superman responsible for the collateral damage, but if this was a court case, he'd get off on self defense.

Yes, but this isn't a court case.  You are talking about two different perspectives.  Yours is the perspective of the objective movie viewer.  That perspective is irrelevant to the fictional average citizen in the DC movie universe that was witness to it all.  From their perspective, you had two aliens duking it out, and innocent bystanders being caught in the middle, some of whom died.  In the mind of MANY, that would make Superman culpable, just as Hef said.

I think that the fictional average citizen will figure out in short order that Superman saved all of humanity.  Sure, some won't believe it. But considering that the good alien and his GF work at the Daily Planet, the word'll get out.  Sure there will be some who don't believe, or still see him as a threat, such as Batman. But I'll say it again. If it weren't for his actions, every single human, including Batman, would be dead.


Maybe it's me projecting here but I though during that fight that this day was his first real fighting.  Who on his time on earth could he fight?  So He was in an all out, knock down battle for his life and getting to a safer spot to fight never occurred to him in that moment.

Bingo! Zod even brought that up in his awesome "where did you train" line.


The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't. I don't see how people can blame Superman for not taking the fight somewhere else when EVERY OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIE DOES THE SAME THING. Besides, Zod was already destroying Metropolis before Superman got there.

Man of Steel has some glaring flaws. The destruction of Metropolis is not one of them.


Couldn't agree more.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #183 on: January 21, 2016, 08:38:56 AM »
The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't.
In the first film, the portal the aliens were coming through was in New York City.  They couldn't take the battle anywhere else; if they did, more aliens would keep coming through the portal without any heroes to stop them.  Even so, the film was clear that the less powerful members of the team spent a lot of time clearing bystanders to safety as best they could.

In the second film, the Avengers went to great pains to rescue the citizens of the city instead of letting them all die from Ultron's army and the fall of the city.  Oh, and there was that small plot element of the city being lifted off the face of the earth.

Superman didn't do anything to mitigate any loss of life as a result his battle with Zod.

Your comparison doesn't really work.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #184 on: January 21, 2016, 08:55:16 AM »
Pretty much agree.  The only thing Supe's did (granted, he's only one guy) was try to end the fight as fast as possible.  The army worked on taking out the rest of Zod's crew, so all Sup had to do was cut the head of the snake off.  He could've grabbed that mofo, and gone out to the suburbs, or an open stretch of an interstate rather than destroy a few dozen office towers, and grand central station.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #185 on: January 21, 2016, 08:56:04 AM »
The Avengers could have taken both of their big battles to different places too. But they didn't.
In the first film, the portal the aliens were coming through was in New York City.  They couldn't take the battle anywhere else; if they did, more aliens would keep coming through the portal without any heroes to stop them.  Even so, the film was clear that the less powerful members of the team spent a lot of time clearing bystanders to safety as best they could.

And despite that, in BOTH films, you still had people, including some very smart and some very powerful people, who blamed the Avengers--or at the very least, were highly suspicious of them.  That is what Civil War is about.  Really, it's not that hard to understand.  Taking that same concept to the DC universe, as Jingle said, "I don't think anyone is saying it's a flaw in the story, just that it's the reason Batman has a hate on for Superman."
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #186 on: January 21, 2016, 09:17:32 AM »
I really need to go back and watch Man of Steel. I've only seen it once and I remember liking it but not loving it.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2016, 09:21:55 AM »
I thought it was ok up until the last 40 minutes of destruction...

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #188 on: January 21, 2016, 09:26:03 AM »
I liked it.  was it a home run?  Nope, but I liked it.  I'm hoping that Lex in the new movie isn't so slapstick as we saw in the trailer.  I'm hoping that's a facade.
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« Reply #189 on: January 21, 2016, 09:53:53 AM »
Man of Steel was fun to watch, but full of plot holes.  So long as expectations are low, it's enjoyable enough.  Action eye-candy is how I viewed it, and an attempt to revive the Superman movie franchise.  The main story arc's are better than Superman Returns, but the details and execution leave much to be desired.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #190 on: January 21, 2016, 10:16:19 AM »
I really need to go back and watch Man of Steel. I've only seen it once and I remember liking it but not loving it.

To me, it gets better with each viewing.  The action sequences are what I've always wanted to see out of a Superman movie. And I love the darker/grittier movies that DC has been churning out.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #191 on: January 21, 2016, 11:16:36 AM »
I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others.  DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.
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« Reply #192 on: January 21, 2016, 11:21:00 AM »
I always liked dark and gritty. And I'm fine with Superman being just that, maybe not as dark as maybe Batman, but some is still fine.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #193 on: January 21, 2016, 11:21:48 AM »
In contrast to that, Marvel has taken an interesting approach, IMO.  The movies, at least initially, have taken a lighter approach to the universe as a whole, and especially the "heroes."  Some of the TV series have presented a darker, grittier side of the same universe that coexists with the lighter side.  And IMO the movies have set up, and Civil War will I believe bring to the forefront, a split between the lighter side and the darker side (although not as dark and gritty as, say, Daredevil), and again showcase both sides and both tones coexisting, to an extent.
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« Reply #194 on: January 21, 2016, 11:58:55 AM »
Plus Marvel had 5 films setting up the characters before Avengers.

BVS : Dawn Of Justice is pretty much putting all its eggs in one basket.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v Dawn of Justice League
« Reply #195 on: January 21, 2016, 01:22:46 PM »
I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others.  DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.

I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.

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« Reply #196 on: January 21, 2016, 01:25:48 PM »
I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others.  DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.

I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.

There is a version of Auqaman that is just that.  Upset with how the lands dwellers are abusing the sea.  We grew up in the very clean version of Auqaman.
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« Reply #197 on: January 21, 2016, 01:43:34 PM »
Plus Marvel had 5 films setting up the characters before Avengers.

BVS : Dawn Of Justice is pretty much putting all its eggs in one basket.

Well, sort of.  I mean, once we got to Hulk and IM2, we all knew that they were setting up for Avengers.  Dawn of Justice is NOT the Justice League movie.  That is coming in 2017.  Dawn of Justice is just a crossover with 2 major super heroes (I guess 3 if Wonder Woman plays a major role).  So, counting Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad, DC will have had 4 movies to set up the official Justice League films.  So DC is setting up their shared universe and super hero "team" with 4 movies of setup instead of 5.  Pretty comparable.
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« Reply #198 on: January 21, 2016, 01:48:13 PM »
Aquaman will also have a small part in B v S.  And Cyborg and Flash are also rumored to be making appearances.

I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.

So really, 2 films to set up the JL.  MoS and BvS.
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« Reply #199 on: January 21, 2016, 01:55:28 PM »
I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.

Fair enough, but it is establishing the shared universe, even if it is not going to do anything to set up the Justice League heroes.  Not sure if there is going to be an eventual tie-in or not.  But still, my point was just that DC is taking the time to set up their huge team-up epic with a few films rather than, as Kowtow suggested, just jumping right to it after one film (which would ultimately be fine too, as long as it worked).
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« Reply #200 on: January 21, 2016, 02:06:56 PM »
Aquaman will also have a small part in B v S.  And Cyborg and Flash are also rumored to be making appearances.

I don't count Suicide Squad as setup for the JL, although certainly in that universe.

So really, 2 films to set up the JL.  MoS and BvS.

^that.

Marvel had individual movies for the four main Avengers, all connected with Coulson, significant involvement from Nick Fury, and  tangible cameos for both Hawkeye and Black Widow.  Every character had there own mythos explained and explored.

Justice League will have none of that.  They're going the opposite direction - get the team together, then give them their own movie.  I'm not saying it's worse or better, just that they're not doing things the same way Marvel did - other than cramming WW and perhaps others into BvS.
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« Reply #201 on: January 21, 2016, 02:11:28 PM »
Several, for sure.

The bigger difference is that with Marvel, Iron Man had two films of his own, Thor had one, Captain America had one, Hulk had one, then they all teamed up.  The team-up only had to show how they worked together, it didn't have to serve as intro to the characters as well; their solo films had done that already.

DC had Man of Steel which introduced Superman, and now Batman v Superman to introduce everyone else, and then Justice League 1 & 2 with solo films to follow. 

It's a different approach, and I wish them luck.

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EDIT: ninja'd by a Canadian.

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« Reply #204 on: January 21, 2016, 03:39:31 PM »
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« Reply #206 on: January 21, 2016, 04:43:09 PM »
So you do have a super power. 

I wonder how the Flash will be.  The actor they got doesn't seem like Flash material.   That being said, I thought the same about Heather Ledger and other was I wrong.
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« Reply #207 on: January 21, 2016, 04:49:49 PM »
So you do have a super power. 

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...the Flash

If his "super power" is that Mrs. Jingle calls him "the Flash," that probably does not bode well.
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« Reply #208 on: January 21, 2016, 05:29:53 PM »
He's got to get some to say that.
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« Reply #209 on: January 21, 2016, 05:47:18 PM »
I think "darker and grittier" works better with some characters than others.  DC's apparent intent to cast their entire film universe in that light is a potential problem (I don't think that Superman or the Flash, for example, should ever be "darker and grittier"), but I remain hopeful that the final results are good.

I'm probably most disturbed with the idea of a "dark and gritty" Aquaman.

You dropped a beer can on the beach.

Now.

He's gotta rape your mum.

AQUAMAN.


THE.  TIDE. HAS. TURNED.

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