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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1015 on: November 27, 2017, 09:47:03 PM »
I finally saw it.


Very very very meh. It had good moments, not many, but a few. Superman carrying the building was nice.

The movie got good when Superman finally came to the rescue, so I wonder how much the immediacy effect had on people who are giving it great reviews, because it's not a good movie.

It's very poorly written. Poorly directed (by both of them). Horrible CGI for most of it. Henry's acting between his resurrection and saving the day was terrible.

I liked most of the characters. I loved Flash as I figured I would. I liked Batman and Wonder Woman. Cyborg was....present, I guess, and Aquaman has a ton of potential. The scene if him sitting on the lasso was very nice.

But yea, not a good movie by any stretch. I had low expectations and was surprisingly still disappointed.


Edit: Can I point out how beyond stupid the opening scene where the damn exploding bug somehow leaves a picture of the mother boxes on the wall was?
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1016 on: November 28, 2017, 03:43:47 AM »
I think WB should seriously reconsider continuing this extended universe!

Just let Matt Reeves direct a great Batman trilogy, and Patty Jenkins to finish a Wonder Woman trilogy!

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1017 on: November 28, 2017, 06:58:12 AM »
Edit: Can I point out how beyond stupid the opening scene where the damn exploding bug somehow leaves a picture of the mother boxes on the wall was?

Do you want to know what went through his mind just before Batman slammed him?  :lol

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1018 on: November 29, 2017, 03:05:28 PM »
I actually enjoyed Cyborg. How they approached him, with him being angry with his father and trying to accept what happened to him, is how i’d hope they went with his story. The only thing they dropped the ball on was how he was connected to the Mother Box. It would have been interesting to see his internal struggle in that aspect. I hear WB cut out a TON of his backstory out that Zack Snyder shot. It was either to fulfill the 2hr agenda or Snyder’s footage was just bad.

The DP came out and said the opening scene where Batman is hunting the Parademon was a Joss Whedon add on. But that shot where Batman is perched on the gargoyle might be the most Batman moment in the DCEU. That’s just a great iconic image of the dark knight, even if it was for a few seconds

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1019 on: November 29, 2017, 06:23:55 PM »
Cyborg had a lot of potential. A lot of seeds planted that could become great things if given the time, but he just wasn't given anything.

He got like 2 minutes of "what am I?!??!" and then just kind of got into the action.


If this movie did anything (which I'm hearing a lot), it made me excited for Flash Point. I liked Flash. I liked Billy Crudup. I like where they're taking his story.



Also, anyone else notice that (as of now) to members of the Justice League have Watchmen as parents? Might as well have cast Carla Gugini (or whatever) as Diane's mom.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v JUSTICE ( SPOILERS!!!)
« Reply #1020 on: November 30, 2017, 05:17:57 PM »
Oh boy.

https://www.thewrap.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-batman-v-superman-wonder-woman/

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“Justice League” had a lot of enemies: a looming corporate merger, a family tragedy, an internal clash between light and dark themes. But its greatest enemy was time.

Few people are happy with the finished project, which one insider called “a Frankenstein” made of the assembled parts favored by rotating executives and directors and which had the worst opening for a DC Comics-based movie in years. But several people who spoke to TheWrap said the decision to keep the film’s Nov. 17 release date was a mistake — one as plain as Superman’s face.

Specifically, the weird, computer-generated look of his face — just one byproduct of the film’s rushed schedule.  Here, according to insiders, is the story of how “Justice League” just ran out of time.

Worth the click and read, and gives a great detail on why Warner Bros hasn't had a great handle on their DC Films franchise.

Love how all the excutives rushed JL just so they could get their bonuses before they get kicked out of Warners.  :facepalm:

And Kevin Tsujihara needs to go.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1021 on: November 30, 2017, 10:28:58 PM »
Is it weird that we got a better Justice League movie with Crisis on Earth X?
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1022 on: December 03, 2017, 05:23:09 AM »
Holy shit, now I really want to see this Snyder Cut.

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During his new Fatman on Batman podcast, filmmaker and hardcore DC fan Kevin Smith offered fresh details about this darker cut, which had screened before the theatrical cut came. Here's what Kevin Smith had to say, when a fan asked if he thought Warner Bros. would release the Zack Snyder cut on home video.

"There's a petition online with something like 250,000 signatures saying put out the Snyder cut. I think it's ridiculous not to. Sell the version of the movie that people are familiar with theatrically, then wait six months and hit 'em with the Snyder vision. What's the worst that can happen? Everybody goes, 'You f---ed up' and Warner Bros. goes, 'Yeah, I guess' but it's in their rear-view, they're working on something else. It's just another stream of revenue for them. I think they'd be bat-shit crazy, pun intended, for them to not put out Zack's vision, which I read an article about, thank you for bringing it up. It was a breakdown of what's missing from the movie. 'These scenes were done before the reshoots and were shown to WB executives.' This piece comes from Superhero Talk Site and he says the opening was longer, it began with Bruce recruiting Aquaman. It was basically the same scene in the theatrical version, but some scenes were cut. Aquaman was originally much more shut off to Bruce here. Deleted, Barry Allen saving Iris West by breaking the glass. Apparently there's a whole f---ing scene of him saving Iris West. Longer, history lesson, what I was most surprised by is the WB cut out dialogue of scenes with Green Lantern, Zeus and Ares. On the battlefield, when they flash back and s--t, Lantern said something and so did Zeus and so did Ares."

Kevin Smith has recently praised Justice League on another one of his many podcasts, but it's clear the filmmaker would have liked to have seen these scenes in the final cut of the film. He also added that there was another deleted scene with Steppenwolf, where, after he took the Mother Box from Themyscira, he actually talks to the Box. His mother Hegra's essence is alive in the Mother Box and all three combined would give him more power and an edge over his uncle Darkseid. There are other scenes with Victor Stone's (Ray Fisher) early life before being turned into Cyborg. The report also revealed there was a whole scene with Vulko (Willem Dafoe). Another deleted scene is where the whole League visits the Batcave and Alfred (Jeremy Irons) has various reactions to the team. There is also another deleted scene that is reportedly in the middle of the movie, that seemed to anger Kevin Smith quite a bit.

"Deleted, this is in the middle of the f---ing movie, are you ready for this? Deathstroke breaks Lex out of prison. Why the f--k would you cut that out? Oh my God, I question everybody's sanity. They part ways because the cops are hot on their trail, deciding to meet up later at a location they discuss, which was the scene on the f---ing boat."
There is another scene he mentions where Superman brings Lois Lane to Kent Farm and he is still confused about coming back to life, and another where Kevin Costner's Pa Kent comes back in a fantasy sequence. There are also details about an original post-credit scene that was cut in post, where Batman is at his lake house and awakened by a green light, where he's visited by Kilowog and Tomar Ray.


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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1023 on: December 03, 2017, 06:13:55 AM »
Meh.

He doesn't get why the Lex breakout scene was removed? It has nothing to do with the rest of the movie for one thing, even if it's a setup for future films. That should have been a post credits scene if anything. It would be completely random in the middle of Justice League to cut to Lex Luthor getting freed from prison by Deathstroke when that's it. "Here's a commercial for the next one"

Snyder got it his way with Man of Steel and BvS (the ultimate cut) and neither are good. That's enough to tell me that a Snyder-cut of JL wouldn't be that great anyways.

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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1024 on: December 03, 2017, 06:17:30 AM »
Not sure what it's gonna take for WB to realize that Snyder's thumb-print for the JL/DCU just isn't a fit for movie-going audiences.  Three underwhelming movies in a row should do it, you'd think.  In my line of work, once is an event; twice is a coincidence; thrice is a trend.  Time to kill the trend.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1025 on: December 03, 2017, 10:34:31 AM »
Yea, not sure why people automatically think Snyder's cut will be some great movie. It's not like what we did get to see was terribly well written. The plot might make more sense, but this plot didn't not make sense. So at most it'll feel less rushed.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1026 on: December 03, 2017, 07:51:33 PM »
Do any of you think they would consider handing the reigns over to...........GASP.......... A WOMAN?????

I can't believe they are not at least considering giving the franchise over to Patty Jenkins.   I personally think it would be a wise move first and foremost because she has proven she's the only director who "gets it"...and from a PR POV, it would be raining roses at the WB.   
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1027 on: December 03, 2017, 09:16:39 PM »
So I just checked the numbers (best I could), and while I can't find the domestic numbers, apparently by the time it had run as long as JL currently has, Dr. Strange had actually made more money globally.

That feels weird.
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Re: The DC Movies Thread v CRISES ON WARNER BROS (SPOILERS)
« Reply #1028 on: December 05, 2017, 03:36:02 AM »
Box office numbers after the second weekend:

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:    $197,407,025      34.7%
+ Foreign:    $371,800,000      65.3%
= Worldwide:    $569,207,025   


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« Reply #1029 on: December 05, 2017, 05:36:47 AM »
Box office numbers after the second weekend:

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:    $197,407,025      34.7%
+ Foreign:    $371,800,000      65.3%
= Worldwide:    $569,207,025

Justice League totals are really bad news for the DC universe.  It's could end up the lowest grossing movie of the 5 films so far - it needs to make another 100M just to pass Man of Steel.   There are no new territories for it to open in either, it's basically got one more weekend to pull in as much as it can, then Star Wars opens.