The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls

[PowerSlave]

That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.

[TAC]

That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Not really catching the Alice comparison, although some of the instrumentation sounds a little similar, but not the song. I actually think of the verses to Peruvian Skies.

[nobloodyname]

That song (musically) sounds like a rip-off of Welcome to My Nightmare from Alice Cooper. I'm not sure what year it came out, so it might have come out before the AC song.

Apparently it was released in 1974.

https://www.discogs.com/Beckett-Beckett/release/1323464

WtMN came out in '75, so it pre-dates that, then. That's the only thing that it sounds similar to to me. Other than the song key, I'm not hearing anything that reminds me of Hallowed.

Some of the words appear to have been directly lifted.

[BelichickFan]

I can see Maiden having "stolen" the concept.  And there's the run of about 5 lines of lyrics which are distinctly similar.  Overall, though, it's not the same song at all.  There's a long discussion here :

https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

including a former Beckett member saying "I love what they have done with all our material" 

[Logain Ablar]

https://forum.maidenfans.com/threads/the-beckett-connection.19282/

I read a bit of that thread earlier this morning - interesting stuff..

Another article about it here: https://www.metaltalk.net/news_seventeen/iron_maiden_advised_to_settle_out_of_court.php

There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

[Grappler]

There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.

[Stadler]

There's no denying the similarities in the lyrics, but why wait all this time to come forward?

The link from maidenfans.com had someone summarize the new lawsuit as follows:   

Maiden settled with one of the Beckett dudes a number of years ago.  That guy lied to another person from Beckett about the settlement.  Now that guy found out that he was lied to and he's going after Maiden for his piece of the pie in the new lawsuit.

Settling with the second guy would be the quickest way out, but I'd hope/wish that they could say "hey, we already settled this once, and it's not our problem if these two guys can't be honest and sort it out with each other."  Sadly, the world doesn't work that way and Maiden will probably have to pony up again.

Froem what I read, it's slightly different than that.   Two guys from Beckett wrote the song.  One guy - the lyricist - settled with Harris.  The guy suing Maiden allegedly (he hasn't proved it yet) bought the interest of the other guy, who, prior to the sale, renegotiated his share from the first guy.  The guy suing Maiden is saying that the interest he bought rights to is now covered - in part - by the so-called "settlement", but he's claiming it wasn't settled.  That's how I understand it.

By the way, Maiden covered another Beckett song - Rainbow's Gold - as a b-side to... I think it was Two Minutes To Midnight. In case anyone cares, the singer for Beckett (what a dumb name for a band) was the guy that took over for Brian Johnson in Georgie when Brian made the disasterous decision to jump from Geordie down to AC/DC. 

[MirrorMask]

Stumbled upon this orchestral medley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS6a0NWI0do

It has Fear of the Dark, 666 and Run to the Hills.

It's all nice and cool, but Fear of the Dark is far more effective than the other two songs. Should ever Maiden do an orchestral concert, they should focus on songs from the reunion era which can be translated better into an orchestral setting, rather than just playing 23:58 and The Trooper the same way they are, but with violins doubling the guitar tracks.

Or they could rearrange the faster songs and translate them into more orchestra-ish pieces, like DT did with Gangland when they completely rearranged the song. Well, I don't particulary like Gangland nor the jazz version of DT, but it was just an example of how a song can be taken and rearranged into something else.

[TAC]

Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.

[wolfking]

Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.

One of the most underrated Maiden songs of all time.  Would make my top 20, maybe 15.

[Phoenix87x]

I see them for the first time tonight 

[wolfking]

I see them for the first time tonight 

You're in for a hell of an experience mate, enjoy it. 

[TAC]

Just want to say that the No Prayer For The Dying title track is fantastic, and it's a shame that it's never been featured on any subsequent tours.

One of the most underrated Maiden songs of all time.  Would make my top 20, maybe 15.

Right where I'd put it too.

[cramx3]

I see them for the first time tonight 

You're in for a hell of an experience mate, enjoy it. 

Nice!  WEDnesday for me!  First of three times this summer.

[TAC]

You suck! 



Got 6 weeks to wait for Mansfield.

[TAC]

Saw this on Maidenfans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL5wD2Q0Z1A&t

It Bruce and Nicko telling the story of Empire Of The Clouds.




Nicko.."But you can't play the piano!" 

[MirrorMask]

Interesting insight!

This song is really full of Bruce's passion for flight and all of his compositional and singing skills.

I thank Ronnie James (Dio, which means god in italian), the gods of heavy metal, his doctors and his cleverness in doing frequent check-ups that his health is back to normal, but if anything had gone wrong, what a swan song to leave behind.

[Phoenix87x]

Just got back from the show

Bruce is god. For someone who is almost 60, I am shocked beyond words how amazing of a frontman he is. He is the epitome of frontman as far as I am concerned.

They all were incredible. That will go down as one of my favorite shows ever.

[cramx3]

 

Posted this in the concerts thread but I am so frickin pumped, I logged into my IM fan club account and found an email...

Congratulations - you are going to be 'First To The Barrier' in Newark!

I am so excited!  I wont Heaven Can Wait before and now this... the only fan club I've ever joined and it's totally been worth it every time I renew.

[TAC]

So cool Cram!

[axeman90210]

Epic

[MirrorMask]

Seeing Iron Maiden from the front row must be something that trascend human comprehension until you live it 

[TAC]

It IS!!!

[cramx3]

Yea, I've been up front a few times, but never been able to get in front of the people who won the FTTB contest.  I ended up just taking tomorrow off (already had Thursday off and I go on vacation next week) which will make it easier to get there on time.

[TAC]

Cram, you are THE MAN!

[Nick]

Seeing Iron Maiden from the front row must be something that trascend human comprehension until you live it 

I was able to do it once, on the Somewhere Back in Time tour, and we got right in front of Adrian and it was amazing. Caught a Harris wristband that day as well.

[TAC]

The Book Of Souls from Philadelphia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbBopUzw1c

 

[cramx3]

Im so excited.  Just watched this https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s the moment I got on stage with them (Im one of the first people who run on immediately to the left of Steve) but then the guy slaps Bruce's ass and it pans the the left and we see their wives dancing with them.  Such an awesome memory.

[jjrock88]

That will be very cool Cram!!

[Logain Ablar]

The Book Of Souls from Philadelphia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MbBopUzw1c

 

Great quality video. Then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. Predictably, some "old school" fan complaining about too much new material. Sigh..

I personally thought there was a great balance on this set list.

[Mladen]

Im so excited.  Just watched this https://youtu.be/-Hk76D_ExuA?t=1h18m9s the moment I got on stage with them (Im one of the first people who run on immediately to the left of Steve) but then the guy slaps Bruce's ass and it pans the the left and we see their wives dancing with them.  Such an awesome memory.

That was amazing. 

[Zydar]

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/nicko_mcbrain_i_dont_see_myself_playing_in_iron_maiden_that_much_longer_i_plan_to_bow_out_gracefully.html

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

I'm pretty sure that when Nicko decides to leave it's the end for Maiden, what I mean is that they probably already decided that they all end it together.

[MirrorMask]

I'm pretty sure that when Nicko decides to leave it's the end for Maiden, what I mean is that they probably already decided that they all end it together.

I'd like to see it go down that way. But I'm not so sure if the "cynical" side of them would prevail in a scenario where Nicko, freely and of his own will, says "guys, I can't do it anymore, I'm out, you do what you feel is right to do" and they continue, with the other 5 guys and someone you can't see anyway behind the kit.

They've been the best at many things, I hope they'll be the best also at retiring. All of them six together, this is the final album, this is the final tour, this is the final show, thank you and bye bye. No prolonged tours, no Bruce / Steve / H and some session players, no greatest hits tour after the goodbye tour etc.... I want them to go on until they can, and when they say it's over, that it's all really over.

[jingle.boy]