Author Topic: The Iron Maiden Thread v. The Merge of Souls  (Read 91712 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Dream Team

  • Posts: 2896
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2015, 08:40:36 AM »
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

Offline cramx3

  • Chillest of the chill
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 16400
  • Gender: Male
    • The Home of cramx3
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2015, 09:43:03 AM »
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 

Offline Nick

  • Call Kenny Loggins
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 18387
  • Gender: Male
  • Cause you're in the danger zone
    • My Radio Show!
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2015, 10:41:14 AM »
Just watched Rock in Rio again, and IMO it definitely is better than En Vivo. Playing is tighter, much more energy from the band, and Bruce sounds much better. The setlist is slightly better. No-brainer for me.

All of those are true except the editing and video/audio quality which I find to be waaayyyy better on En Vivo. 

Rio could be a definitive video for metal if it wasn't for the godawful editing.

Awesome Majesty Pendant Club: Member #1

Online wolfking

  • Posts: 25440
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2015, 02:19:43 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2015, 02:31:58 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

Offline jjrock88

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 10784
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2015, 02:38:59 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.

love it too!

Online wolfking

  • Posts: 25440
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2015, 02:59:55 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.

Offline cramx3

  • Chillest of the chill
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 16400
  • Gender: Male
    • The Home of cramx3
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2015, 03:00:57 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

The video footage of that concert really is amazing.  Paschendale is one of the best single songs from a concert in IM's vast DVD collection.  Sadly the video is really brought down by the editing.

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2015, 03:02:12 PM »
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

And yes, Cram, I completely agree. Beautiful footage, from the film to the camera angles.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

Offline Nick

  • Call Kenny Loggins
  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 18387
  • Gender: Male
  • Cause you're in the danger zone
    • My Radio Show!
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2015, 03:20:48 PM »
I love Rio and never had an issue with the editing at all.
It's pretty bad, only to be eclipsed by Death On The Road.

Of the 3 Reunion era Live Albums, my favorite is actually Death On The Road. The energy on the album jumps out of the speakers, and IMO, the footage on the DVD is the most glorious film of Maiden ever taken in their entire career.
But it's FUCKING RUINED by the suck ass edit job!

Yeah, I never understood people complaining so much about Rio when IMO DOTR's editing is ten times worse.  It's alright, Bruce doesn't sound that strong on this one though.

Don't make any mistake about it, DotR is horrible from an editing perspective as well.

Awesome Majesty Pendant Club: Member #1

Online wolfking

  • Posts: 25440
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2015, 04:09:54 PM »
I have often heard the complaint about Bruce and DOTR. But I have never had an issue. The album has so much more of a live sound.

He's not bad at all, just a little under his usual standard.  It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the concert at all.

Offline bosk1

  • Bow down to Boskaryus
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2754
  • Hard-hearted harbinger of haggis
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2015, 04:21:36 PM »
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
"The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2015, 04:23:10 PM »
Watching DOTR for the first time.  Any complaints about the editing are deserved.  The shot changes are so quick that I am never really sure what I am seeing.  I feel like I am constantly having to fight the urge to have seizures.
It's brutal.
I can make it only through a song or two at a time. Damned shame. Such glorious footage.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

Offline Zook

  • Evil Incarnate
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 12892
  • Gender: Male
  • Tordenperle krall. Literally.
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2015, 07:33:28 PM »
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.

Offline sneakyblueberry

  • put me in coach
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4353
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2015, 07:58:18 PM »
Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer.  If only Nicko's snare didn't start shitting itself St Anger-style towards the end :lol

Offline bosk1

  • Bow down to Boskaryus
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2754
  • Hard-hearted harbinger of haggis
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2015, 10:30:09 AM »
I never had a problem with the footage until it was brought to my attention. Fortunately I have the CD version to listen to.

Listening again today.  The audio is pretty good.

Rio>DOTR.  Rio's editing is slightly more palatable, and the setlist is killer. 

Yeah, I think I would give RIR the slight edge as well.  But En Vivo! beats them both, IMO.
"The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

Offline bosk1

  • Bow down to Boskaryus
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 2754
  • Hard-hearted harbinger of haggis
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2015, 10:58:46 AM »
It is interesting to me how each area of the stage at a Maiden show has its own personality based on the members that typically occupy that area.  I know I am not saying anything that has not been observed by millions of Maiden fans, but I'll say it anyway:

Upstage center:  There are a lot of drums there.  We think there might be a drummer hiding somewhere behind them.  From the sound of it, it is very busy back there.  But he is minding his own business and appears to like it that way.

Downstage left:  Bass player and guitar player that are in constant motion.  They never stop.  Ever.  A lot of the time, they are jumping.  Must have been lots of caffeine before the show.

Downstage right:  Two guitar players.  One smiles.  One does not.  They are all business.

Everywhere else:  Bruce is there, seemingly all at once.  He is the front man.  Let there be no mistake about it.
"The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

Offline Zook

  • Evil Incarnate
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 12892
  • Gender: Male
  • Tordenperle krall. Literally.
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2015, 11:31:44 AM »
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

Offline Mister Gold

  • The Makers of Our Own Destiny
  • Posts: 1919
  • Gender: Male
  • Human
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2015, 12:03:37 PM »
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

"Might?" The only other contender has been dead for over twenty years now! :lol

But I do agree: Bruce is one of those frontmen who really does feel like they're actually larger than life. He owns that stage, man. :hefdaddy
Beyond the limits of the mortal frame
To the farthest boundary of eternity
Where I, the Cosmic Sea
Watch the little ego floating in me.

Offline cramx3

  • Chillest of the chill
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 16400
  • Gender: Male
    • The Home of cramx3
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2015, 12:54:08 PM »
Yup, there is no frontman like Mr. Dickinson.

Online wolfking

  • Posts: 25440
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2015, 09:27:45 PM »
I think Bruce might be the best front man ever. Who else runs all over the stage, jumps and climbs up things, swings around, all while still singing?

He definitely is.

Offline Mosh

  • For I have dined on honeydew!
  • Posts: 3435
  • Gender: Male
  • (╯□)╯︵ ┻━┻
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2015, 09:58:56 PM »
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.
You are the J.R.R. Tolkien of DTF

Offline PowerSlave

  • Posts: 1610
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2015, 11:49:09 PM »
I've been fortunate enough to see many of the greats in action live over the years. Bruce is the man.
All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again

Offline jjrock88

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 10784
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2015, 01:02:18 AM »
His energy is amazing

Offline Mister Gold

  • The Makers of Our Own Destiny
  • Posts: 1919
  • Gender: Male
  • Human
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2015, 06:32:29 AM »
Yep Bruce is by far the best at his craft. Only rivaled by Freddie Mercury for me.

Yup, Mercury was who I was referring to in my previous post.
Beyond the limits of the mortal frame
To the farthest boundary of eternity
Where I, the Cosmic Sea
Watch the little ego floating in me.

Offline Zydar

  • Eleventh Earl of Mar
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 15024
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2015, 06:35:07 AM »
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #61 on: March 12, 2015, 06:38:17 AM »
Happy birthday, Steve Harris! :metal

Nice!!
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

Offline Dream Team

  • Posts: 2896
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #62 on: March 12, 2015, 09:58:23 AM »
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2015, 10:15:42 AM »
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

Offline cramx3

  • Chillest of the chill
  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 16400
  • Gender: Male
    • The Home of cramx3
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2015, 10:46:38 AM »
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Yes, it's incredible.

 :tup very well done and just an awesome story

Offline jjrock88

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 10784
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2015, 12:59:03 PM »

Offline MrBoom_shack-a-lack

  • I hit things for a living!
  • DTF.org Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6611
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2015, 01:02:46 PM »
I don't own Flight 666, but it was on Palladia so I put it on my DVR. Best rock documentary ever.
Saw that at the cinema, such a cool thing hearing people applaud and cheering along during the songs. The production quality is top notch and a treat for any fan of the band.
There were times when Rik and I were writing together when we almost died laughing. They were some of the most carefree stupid days I ever had, and I feel privileged to have shared them with him. And now he's died for real. Without me. Selfish bastard.

/Ade Edmondson

Offline jammindude

  • Posts: 8007
  • Gender: Male
    • The Jammin Dude Show
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2015, 08:27:27 PM »
I was just listening to A Matter of Life and Death again.   Just an amazing album.   I'm always so floored when a band releases some of their best material over 30 years into their career.   

I'm not sure if anyone will understand what I'm trying to say when I say...  Brave New World sounded like the guys got together and said "Let's write an Iron Maiden album", but A Matter of Life and Death sounds like the guys got together and said, "WE ARE Iron Maiden...now let's write an album."   

"Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world.
Than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled." - Neil Peart

The Jammin Dude Show - http://www.youtube.com/user/jammindude

Offline Dream Team

  • Posts: 2896
  • Gender: Male
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2015, 01:01:26 PM »
So I'm not sure whether to do this in this thread or in the polls/survivors, but I came up with an idea for sort of a Classic Maiden vs. Reunion Era showdown. I picked 25 songs from each era, using both the most popular/most obvious ones and also ones that seemed to be favorites on this board. (Caveat: had to put the '90s songs in with the 2000s) In doing this I had to leave out some personal faves (and maybe some of yours?). Anyway, the next step was to come up with pairings. There was no easy method for this and it just came down to process of elimination at the end. Here is what I came up with, with my personal winners in bold.

Is anyone on board with this? Or should I move it to the other subforum? The plan is to make a new bracket after a week or 2 using the survivors from this round, plus a dark horse (The Prisoner or The Alchemist for example) added in to keep it at a round number, and keeping the eras against each other. Just really curious to see which era wins each round. Of course if one era makes a clean sweep or close to it than I guess I wasted my time  :lol.

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home (my hardest decision believe it or not)
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy

Online TAC

  • DTF.org Alumni
  • ****
  • Posts: 25164
  • Gender: Male
  • Just a decent, normal metal-head fellow
Re: THE El Dorado Thread (and other Iron Maiden related musings)
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2015, 02:46:27 PM »

1. Remember Tomorrow vs Coming Home
2. Phantom of the Opera vs Dance of Death
3. Wrathchild vs Ghost of the Navigator
4. Killers vs Paschendale
5. Children of the Damned vs Out of the Shadows
6. Number of the Beast vs Starblind
7. Run to the Hills vs The Longest Day
8. Hallowed be Thy Name vs For the Greater Good of God
9. Revelations vs Sign of the Cross
10. Flight of Icarus vs No Prayer for the Dying
11. The Trooper vs Wickerman
12. To Tame a Land vs Blood Brothers
13. Aces High vs Different World
14. Two Minutes to Midnight vs El Dorado
15. Powerslave vs The Nomad
16. Rime of the Ancient Mariner vs When the Wild Wind Blows
17. Caught Somewhere in Time vs Isle of Avalon
18. Wasted Years vs Rainmaker
19. Sea of Madness vs Brighter Than a Thousand Suns
20. Stranger in a Strange Land vs Afraid to Shoot Strangers
21. Alexander the Great vs The Clansman
22. Moonchild vs The Talisman
23. Infinite Dreams vs Journeyman
24. The Evil That Men Do vs Fear of the Dark
25. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son vs Legacy
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D