Author Topic: DT12 is...? (Read 9909 times)

Kotowboy · « **Reply #70 on:** March 05, 2015, 04:33:00 PM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 05, 2015, 07:30:19 AM

Quote from: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 05:57:57 AM
Quote from: weirdo on March 05, 2015, 05:17:37 AM
Better than DT12:
I&W
TOT
ADTOE

Worse than DT12:
WDADU
FII
8VM
SC
BC&SL

Not even close.
Sure it is.

Nope.

Octavarium > DT12

ThatOneGuy2112 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:44:02 PM »

Not by a long shot. 8V is one of DT's most inconsistent albums, and has a more mediocre track-listing with the exception of the title track, especially in comparison to DT12.

bl5150 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 05, 2015, 08:46:26 PM »

It'll be interesting to see where they sit on the list being compiled by 425 .............I'd rate DT12 much higher than Octavarium.

jammindude · « **Reply #73 on:** March 05, 2015, 09:53:52 PM »

I have been a fan since IAW was first released. Followed every up and down.

Octavarium is DT's greatest achievement...bar none. To this day, when I am in a DT mood, I reach for 8V as an ultimate start to finish DT listening experience even before I will reach for IAW, Awake, SFAM or SDOIT.

DT12 is fantastic, and the best album they've released since 8V...but I don't think they will ever top 8V.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #74 on:** March 05, 2015, 10:59:46 PM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on March 05, 2015, 04:33:00 PM

Octavarium > DT12

The only mistake with this is not adding more arrows.

Not even a contest.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #75 on:** March 06, 2015, 04:43:16 AM »

Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 05, 2015, 08:44:02 PM

Not by a long shot. 8V is one of DT's most inconsistent albums, and has a more mediocre track-listing with the exception of the title track, especially in comparison to DT12.

I think Surrender to Reason & Along For The Ride are some of DT's weakest songs and Illumination Theory is one of their poorest epics.

Prog Snob · « **Reply #76 on:** March 06, 2015, 05:32:06 AM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on March 06, 2015, 04:43:16 AM

Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 05, 2015, 08:44:02 PM
Not by a long shot. 8V is one of DT's most inconsistent albums, and has a more mediocre track-listing with the exception of the title track, especially in comparison to DT12.

I think Surrender to Reason & Along For The Ride are some of DT's weakest songs and Illumination Theory is one of their poorest epics.

I think you should suffer a Starbucks coma.

Mladen · « **Reply #77 on:** March 06, 2015, 06:21:32 AM »

Had another band released it, it would have been really good. For DT standards, it's pretty average.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #78 on:** March 06, 2015, 07:54:54 AM »

Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 05, 2015, 08:44:02 PM

Not by a long shot. 8V is one of DT's most inconsistent albums, and has a more mediocre track-listing with the exception of the title track, especially in comparison to DT12.

This completely.

If the title track weren't on Octavarium, I would never ever listen to it.

Zook · « **Reply #79 on:** March 11, 2015, 03:50:58 PM »

DT12 is a great album. I really enjoy it, but every bit of the criticism on the production is well warranted. It just doesn't sound good. In fact, it's only slightly better than WDADU in terms of production. That's not an exaggeration.

rumborak · « **Reply #80 on:** March 12, 2015, 09:06:00 AM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 06, 2015, 07:54:54 AM

Quote from: ThatOneGuy2112 on March 05, 2015, 08:44:02 PM
Not by a long shot. 8V is one of DT's most inconsistent albums, and has a more mediocre track-listing with the exception of the title track, especially in comparison to DT12.
This completely.

If the title track weren't on Octavarium, I would never ever listen to it.

Same here. It's *the* album for me that exemplifies the "saved by the epic" stretch they had for a while.

Scorpion · « **Reply #81 on:** March 17, 2015, 05:49:47 AM »

I like about half of Octavarium.

The title tracks pulls it down, if anything.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #82 on:** March 17, 2015, 03:34:38 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on March 17, 2015, 05:49:47 AM

I like about half of Octavarium.

The title tracks pulls it down, if anything.

O_o

sfam2112 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 17, 2015, 10:49:17 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on March 17, 2015, 05:49:47 AM

I like about half of Octavarium.

The title tracks pulls it down, if anything.

I agree.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #84 on:** March 18, 2015, 06:25:55 AM »

Quote from: sfam2112 on March 17, 2015, 10:49:17 PM

Quote from: Scorpion on March 17, 2015, 05:49:47 AM
I like about half of Octavarium.

The title tracks pulls it down, if anything.

I agree.

O_O

Scorpion · « **Reply #85 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM »

"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #86 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:19:33 AM »

Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM

"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

You just described IT.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #87 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:20:32 AM »

He didn't describe either one of them.

In fact, I don't think it describes any of their epics. Not sure what is so boring.

Scorpion · « **Reply #88 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:22:35 AM »

I think that the entirety of Razor's Edge is just a huge letdown after the amazing climax at the end of Intervals, and the guitar solo is nothing special.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #89 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:25:47 AM »

Well, if that's how you feel.

Doesn't compute for me. I think it is an absolutely stellar payoff, no letdown at all.

rumborak · « **Reply #90 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:27:10 AM »

Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM

"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

Hey. Don't diss Kansas.

Shadow Ninja 2.0 · « **Reply #91 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:29:08 AM »

Although I like Razor's Edge, I do feel that the end of Intervals makes for a much stronger climax.

puppyonacid · « **Reply #92 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:36:36 AM »

Razor's edge is epic and I think one of JPs finest moments.

Octavarium is a decent album. In fact the only song that pulls it down the Answer Lies Within which is pretty much the worst DT song in the history of everything.

I still can't make my mind up about DTXII. I can't get past the god awful production/mixing.

Scorpion · « **Reply #93 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:44:33 AM »

Quote from: rumborak on March 18, 2015, 08:27:10 AM

Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

Hey. Don't diss Kansas.

I'LL DISS KANSAS ALL I WANT DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO

In all seriousness, I was never too big on Kansas, so I'm afraid I don't know which song you're talking about.

TAC · « **Reply #94 on:** March 18, 2015, 08:58:56 AM »

The Raxor's Edge section is fantastic and ITPOE, TMOLS, and IT have each failed miserably in their endings.

rumborak · « **Reply #95 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:16:21 AM »

Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:44:33 AM

Quote from: rumborak on March 18, 2015, 08:27:10 AM
Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

Hey. Don't diss Kansas.

I'LL DISS KANSAS ALL I WANT DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO

In all seriousness, I was never too big on Kansas, so I'm afraid I don't know which song you're talking about.

Go to YouTube, listen to Kansas' "The Wall" from 4:16 on. You'll see what I mean

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #96 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:18:44 AM »

There's very little if any similarity aside from the very very end.

rumborak · « **Reply #97 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:20:05 AM »

I would say from 4:16 on it is virtually identical. Before that of course not.

BlobVanDam · « **Reply #98 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:21:33 AM »

If by "virtually" you mean "basically not at all". The only similarity is from 4:35 - 4:40, which does sound very similar.

rumborak · « **Reply #99 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:25:31 AM »

Meh. Ever since there was a sizable percentage of DTFers vehemently denying the Tchaikovsky part in IT (and only shut up when Eren himself acknowledged it), I have given up on trying to convince people of similarities. If you don't hear it, oh well.

Evermind · « **Reply #100 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:36:00 AM »

Razor's Edge is very strong, in my opinion, and I love ITPOE ending, epic as hell.

Even the epics I don't really like, such as SDOIT and IT both have great endings. DT knows how to finish their longer songs right.

Prog Snob · « **Reply #101 on:** March 18, 2015, 09:56:23 AM »

Quote from: rumborak on March 18, 2015, 09:20:05 AM

I would say from 4:16 on it is virtually identical. Before that of course not.

I don't think it's "identical" but I definitely hear strong similarities. Especially the last notes of the song. That sounds exactly like the last few notes of Octavarium. It makes sense though since throughout that song there are similarities to other bands and references to other things.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #102 on:** March 18, 2015, 10:09:53 AM »

Quote from: BlobVanDam on March 18, 2015, 08:19:33 AM

Quote from: Scorpion on March 18, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
"Hey let's end a decent epic with the most boring finale we could think of! Sounds like a great idea!"

You just described IT.

TRUTH.

Madman Shepherd · « **Reply #103 on:** March 18, 2015, 10:26:33 AM »

I would put IT and 8V on par if it weren't for the absolutely terrible Full Circle section. DT's worst lyrics by far.

puppyonacid · « **Reply #104 on:** March 18, 2015, 10:41:15 AM »

I disagree. A bit cheesy maybe but nowhere near as bad as TcoT

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