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German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« on: November 17, 2014, 07:10:54 AM »
Anyone else hear about this? I've heard several people mention it in the last few days.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/

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This controversial process that was repeated on 944 volunteers over that last four years, necessitates a complex mixture of drugs including epinephrine and dimethyltryptamine, destined to allow the body to survive the state of clinical death and the reanimation process without damage. The body of the subject was then put into a temporary comatic state induced by a mixture of other drugs which had to be filtered by ozone from his blood during the reanimation process 18 minutes later. - See more at: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/german-scientists-prove-there-is-life-after-death/#sthash.h6HTSOxb.dpuf


My thing is... No matter how much these scientists are simulating death, the person isn't dead. It says the subjects were put into a temporary comatic state. Doesn't your brain still function when you're in a coma? I don't mean function like it does when you're not in a coma, but if brain in a coma was hooked to a machine, there would still be signs of electrical activity, no?

The article says "Most common memories include a feeling of detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of an overwhelming light" ... In other words, the subjects experienced the same things as millions of other people do every night when they dream.

I want to know more about this experiment.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2014, 07:34:13 AM »
Their conclusion doesn't sound at all scientific to me. These stories are common with near death experiences, and I've seen the logical explanations that are much more mundane. I don't think this is anything new, they've just done it on a repeatable and larger scale, and the evidence is still subjective.
I think the fact these people had the same experience regardless of faith etc is more proof that it's due to the biological processes happening in the body and brain under the same circumstances, rather than anything other worldly going on.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2014, 07:56:50 AM »
Agreed.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2014, 08:16:28 AM »
I wonder how many of them saw aliens and shit the bed.
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 11:32:59 AM »
I did just reading the article.  ;)

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 01:49:54 PM »
When did WorldNewsDailyReport.com become peer reviewed?

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 10:02:29 AM »
Well DMT will certainly make you have a "death-like" experience. It's silly to say that such things prove an afterlife, but it's pretty undeniable it's an other-worldly experience.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 11:13:36 PM »
Yeah, they seem to be jumping to some pretty shaky conclusions, to me.  I mean, the entire 'study' seems to be based on the testimony of people who were drugged into comas to simulate clinical death.  Hardly a rock solid foundation if you ask me. 
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 08:29:25 AM »
Yeah, they seem to be jumping to some pretty shaky conclusions, to me.  I mean, the entire 'study' seems to be based on the testimony of people who were drugged into comas to simulate clinical death.  Hardly a rock solid foundation if you ask me.
Not only drugged into comas, but given a pretty heavy drug that's known to cause the exact sorts of hallucinations these people experienced.

And I guess nobody got my reference.
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 10:36:53 AM »
I wouldn't say no body...

And the fact that it's known for these experiences is interesting in and off itself. Nothing proven or provable, but it's a very fascinating thing to consider philosophically, especially with evolutionary theory. Why on earth would the chemical cause everybody to experience the same thing, which is unlike anything otherwise experienced, which arguably matches the circumstances in which it's used? It's very odd.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 10:38:32 AM »
I'm not sure how life after death could actually be "proved."  These people aren't dead, so they aren't experiencing life after death.  They are experiencing. . . life.
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 10:58:07 AM »
I wouldn't say no body...

And the fact that it's known for these experiences is interesting in and off itself. Nothing proven or provable, but it's a very fascinating thing to consider philosophically, especially with evolutionary theory. Why on earth would the chemical cause everybody to experience the same thing, which is unlike anything otherwise experienced, which arguably matches the circumstances in which it's used? It's very odd.
Yeah, I've definitely found that fascinating as well. It really is telling about how unexplored the psyche is. Don't have any firsthand knowledge of it, though that might well change at some point.
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 11:15:05 AM »
Why on earth would the chemical cause everybody to experience the same thing, which is unlike anything otherwise experienced, which arguably matches the circumstances in which it's used? It's very odd.

The same chemicals in everyone's brains trigger anger, happiness, sadness, and fear. Drugs like heroin, ecstasy, and LSD have the same effects on everyone. Excessive alcohol gets everyone drunk and stupid. It is because of evolution that all of our brains react the same way to the same chemicals (not including those with brain deformities).

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 11:40:49 AM »
Why on earth would the chemical cause everybody to experience the same thing, which is unlike anything otherwise experienced, which arguably matches the circumstances in which it's used? It's very odd.

The same chemicals in everyone's brains trigger anger, happiness, sadness, and fear. Drugs like heroin, ecstasy, and LSD have the same effects on everyone. Excessive alcohol gets everyone drunk and stupid. It is because of evolution that all of our brains react the same way to the same chemicals (not including those with brain deformities).
We're talking about very specific experiences here. A bottle of tequila might make everybody violent, but when it becomes super-weird is when that same bottle of tequila makes everybody violent because they're trying to break of a knife-fight between Jesus and Carrot Top.
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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 01:35:59 PM »
Just curious... Has anyone else here watched a documentary (it's on Netflix) called DMT: The Spirit Molecule ??

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2014, 09:08:51 AM »
Why on earth would the chemical cause everybody to experience the same thing, which is unlike anything otherwise experienced, which arguably matches the circumstances in which it's used? It's very odd.

The same chemicals in everyone's brains trigger anger, happiness, sadness, and fear. Drugs like heroin, ecstasy, and LSD have the same effects on everyone. Excessive alcohol gets everyone drunk and stupid. It is because of evolution that all of our brains react the same way to the same chemicals (not including those with brain deformities).
We're talking about very specific experiences here. A bottle of tequila might make everybody violent, but when it becomes super-weird is when that same bottle of tequila makes everybody violent because they're trying to break of a knife-fight between Jesus and Carrot Top.

... a knife fight I'd pay to see, BTW.

But I think you don't even have to get that specific to find the gaps in Chino's stereotyping.   The same chemicals DON'T trigger the same responses (or at least, if they do, they manifest in different ways).  If you know any person that turns into a mean drunk and any person that turns into a horny drunk (and some both, depending on the day and the drunk) then you know whereof I speak. 

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2014, 09:53:27 AM »
I even know a person who turns into a falls off balconies drunk.

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Re: German Scientists Prove Life After Death
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 10:36:12 AM »
I even know a person who turns into a falls off balconies drunk.


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