What is it about Labrie's voice that some people complain about?

[hefdaddy42]

I do, in fact, say so.

[Dublagent66]

"Another Hand - The Killing Hand" is the extended intro, LATM version of the original "Another Hand" and is a full 2 mins longer.  Yeah, it is the definitive version.  However, as good as JLB is in this version, I think he goes a little too crazy with the screaming towards the end of the song between the 9:00 - 10:00 min mark.  It detracted from how good that song is.

[TheGreatPretender]

"Another Hand - The Killing Hand" is the extended intro, LATM version of the original "Another Hand" and is a full 2 mins longer.  Yeah, it is the definitive version.  However, as good as JLB is in this version, I think he goes a little too crazy with the screaming towards the end of the song between the 9:00 - 10:00 min mark.  It detracted from how good that song is.

Yes, I know what it is, lol. Though to be honest, I've always been more partial to the original acoustic intro.

But I don't know, I think everything JLB does on this version improves the song. It was the best song on WDADU (in my humble opinion of course) but it was still very rough around the edges, like the whole album, but the LATM version just put it at the level of I&W songs.

[Dublagent66]

Well, I wasn't implying that you didn't know.  Just sayin' and I think the extended live intro is lightyears better than the original.  Although, I can still appreciate the original. 

[TheGreatPretender]

It's tough, because I actually really like the extended middle instrumental section of The Killing Hand that they implemented later on... Man, if we could combine the acoustic intro, followed by Another Hand, going into The Killing Hand, with LATM vocals and the extended instrumental section... I wouldn't need any other version. 

[hefdaddy42]

Another Hand from that recording is one of my favorite passages of music from DT's entire corpus.

[Rodni Demental]

Another Hand from that recording is one of my favorite passages of music from DT's entire corpus.

Out of curiosity, why that version of Another Hand? I really like the piece too, but I've never really considered comparing the versions of this one, mostly because it's so short that you don't notice as much. And other performances of it don't exactly seem to have obvious flaws that I remember.

Well, I wasn't implying that you didn't know.  Just sayin' and I think the extended live intro is lightyears better than the original.  Although, I can still appreciate the original. 

Tbh I quite like the acoustic intro too. Feels like an old Metallica song with the epic intro before it kicks into gear.

It's tough, because I actually really like the extended middle instrumental section of The Killing Hand that they implemented later on... Man, if we could combine the acoustic intro, followed by Another Hand, going into The Killing Hand, with LATM vocals and the extended instrumental section... I wouldn't need any other version.

Yeah, now we're talking!  Although, there's a lot of "mix and mash" live versions that I'd like. Sometimes they can have a perfect performance from one member, but the whole band might not be as tight. And there are some versions with cool little improv fills and extras, references or cover extracts. Too bad this isn't very viable from a mixing perspective as whenever you try this, the sound quality will never match up when you consider the balance of crowd and background noise, different recording equipment, different performance with different tempos.

[hefdaddy42]

Another Hand from that recording is one of my favorite passages of music from DT's entire corpus.

Out of curiosity, why that version of Another Hand? I really like the piece too, but I've never really considered comparing the versions of this one, mostly because it's so short that you don't notice as much. And other performances of it don't exactly seem to have obvious flaws that I remember.

This is the first version of it I heard.  All other versions I've ever heard deviate in small ways. This one is perfect.

[erwinrafael]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

[TheGreatPretender]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

I don't understand more than half of most people's vocals, in Rock music to be honest. Between Dream Theater, Led Zeppelin, Rush, Iron Maiden and most other bands I listen to, I'd say I understand 45% to 60% of what they're saying.

[Ravenfoul]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

I don't understand more than half of most people's vocals, in Rock music to be honest. Between Dream Theater, Led Zeppelin, Rush, Iron Maiden and most other bands I listen to, I'd say I understand 45% to 60% of what they're saying.

I'd have to agree with this sentiment, although I feel like DT's catalog might fall under one of those bands that I have a slightly harder time listening to (in terms of discerning what is being said).

Not as indiscernible as some Trivium songs, however.

[erwinrafael]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

I don't understand more than half of most people's vocals, in Rock music to be honest. Between Dream Theater, Led Zeppelin, Rush, Iron Maiden and most other bands I listen to, I'd say I understand 45% to 60% of what they're saying.

Innocence Faded is just an extreme case for me. For example I never understood one word in this part when I heard it.

"Wearing apathetic displays
Sharing flesh like envy in cages
Condescending
Not intending to end"

Not one word. 

[Rodni Demental]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

  Yeah, I can relate to this. A lot of Awakes vocals I didn't really understand, I kinda take it for granted now cause I've sort of memorised the lyrics at this point but when I first heard Awake.. I mean those bits in Caught in A Web (second verse), and second verse of Voices has a similar deal, and of course Innocence Faded the entire song xD. I had no idea what was going on there, all I knew was that it sounded powerful, but nonsensical.

[TheGreatPretender]

I like JLB's voice, but I have to admit that I did not understand more than half of Innocence Faded.

I don't understand more than half of most people's vocals, in Rock music to be honest. Between Dream Theater, Led Zeppelin, Rush, Iron Maiden and most other bands I listen to, I'd say I understand 45% to 60% of what they're saying.

Innocence Faded is just an extreme case for me. For example I never understood one word in this part when I heard it.

"Wearing apathetic displays
Sharing flesh like envy in cages
Condescending
Not intending to end"

Not one word. 

I always understood "Condescending".... But yeah, that's it from that phrase, haha.

[fischermasamune]

There are confusing/undiscernible lyrics throughout all the albums, at least for me! I hear "hooligan" [fall again] in Pull Me Under, "I'll never be old" [I'll never be o-] in Space-Dye Vest, "painting my own Mona Lisa" [] in Blind Faith, and I used to take "cowards for salvation" for something else I don't remember what in Illumination Theory.

[TheGreatPretender]

"painting my own Mona Lisa"

That is the lyrics.
"I've painted my own Mona Lisa,
Cheesesticks everyday"