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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2014, 07:33:26 AM »
Should we consider Haken among prog(-metal)'s big league now?
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2014, 07:58:24 AM »
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2014, 08:00:34 AM »
Is there even a "big league" of prog metal other than DT?
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2014, 08:08:10 AM »
DT is the biggest fish in the prog metal pond, yes. There are some bigger fish depending on how you define prog metal-Opeth, Between The Buried And Me-and then a layer of bands that are well known in the prog community but don't make much of a dent on the charts like Symphony X.

And then you have the layer Haken is in.  :lol

In terms of exposure, Dream Theater is far and away the biggest prog metal band ever.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2014, 08:51:01 AM »
I'm unsure that modern prog bands will even be able to ever reach DT's "fame level", since there are just so incredibly many prog bands out there these days. It only takes an hour of research to find several great prog bands. Haken is in my opinion the best of them all at the moment, and they are definetely pushing things farther than many others. But I don't they'll ever reach DT's league, even though I with my whole heart think they deserve it.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2014, 10:08:43 AM »
In terms of exposure, Dream Theater is far and away the biggest prog metal band ever.

This, and like it or not it's probably going to stay that way. As much as we love Haken and other prog bands they aren't getting as big as DT got back in 92.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2014, 05:28:28 PM »
In terms of exposure, Dream Theater is far and away the biggest prog metal band ever.

This, and like it or not it's probably going to stay that way. As much as we love Haken and other prog bands they aren't getting as big as DT got back in 92.
Yep have to agree on this. Pretty much the same as alot of these old rock/metal bands like IM, Metallica, Judas Priest, AC/DC, Black Sabbath and so on. The share amount of rock/metal bands these days makes it hard for one band to stick out and reach that level of fame like all the classic acts have done.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2014, 08:03:41 AM »
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2014, 08:06:26 AM »
In terms of exposure, Dream Theater is far and away the biggest prog metal band ever.

This, and like it or not it's probably going to stay that way. As much as we love Haken and other prog bands they aren't getting as big as DT got back in 92.
Yep have to agree on this. Pretty much the same as alot of these old rock/metal bands like IM, Metallica, Judas Priest, AC/DC, Black Sabbath and so on. The share amount of rock/metal bands these days makes it hard for one band to stick out and reach that level of fame like all the classic acts have done.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2014, 09:37:14 AM »
Muse is the perfect example of a band that was playing the right style of music in the right time in the right place.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2014, 08:39:12 AM »
Been checking out Restoration and really starting to dig it.  I think Haken is largely underrated because they are just out there.  Way out there.  However, I think they are pushing the envelope right now in directions that, in some ways, go beyond what DT has done.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2014, 12:04:36 PM »
currently listening to the demo on youtube.

is there anyway I can get a hold of the files for each song from the demo? other than a youtube rip, of course...

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2014, 12:46:53 PM »
currently listening to the demo on youtube.

is there anyway I can get a hold of the files for each song from the demo? other than a youtube rip, of course...

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2014, 03:41:12 PM »
no, I mean the 2007/08 demo. I have restoration.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2014, 03:58:39 PM »
I didn't mean the "big league" in terms of mainstream success. Mainstream is totally separate from prog music, and the two will never fully intertwine. Sometimes they come close (DT in '92), but it never lasts, before going back to the dedicated fanbase who will follow the bands through every album.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2014, 11:15:16 PM »
no, I mean the 2007/08 demo. I have restoration.
I'm not sure if they're still doing this, but if you contact their management they'll send you a copy of the demo.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2014, 07:26:59 AM »
no, I mean the 2007/08 demo. I have restoration.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2014, 03:01:36 AM »
OK, so I finally got time to listen to Restoration.

Stunning.  After one listen, I think this may be more powerful than The Mountain.

Maybe.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2014, 04:10:33 AM »
no, I mean the 2007/08 demo. I have restoration.
I'm not sure if they're still doing this, but if you contact their management they'll send you a copy of the demo.

A couple of years ago, before Visions was released, you could still get their demo from them. I don't think they do this anymore.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2014, 09:13:25 AM »
no, I mean the 2007/08 demo. I have restoration.
I'm not sure if they're still doing this, but if you contact their management they'll send you a copy of the demo.

A couple of years ago, before Visions was released, you could still get their demo from them. I don't think they do this anymore.

They did it for me a few months ago...but it was before Restoration came out.   With this release, I'm not sure if they would still do it or not...but you could try.  I just contacted them through their Facebook page.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2014, 11:32:21 AM »
currently listening to the demo on youtube.

is there anyway I can get a hold of the files for each song from the demo? other than a youtube rip, of course...

I second this.  I would love to have a copy.  The song Manifolds is great.  Would love to see that one live.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2014, 06:14:56 AM »
Listened to the demo a couple of times. Not a big fan of the first 2 songs but Crystallised might just be my favorite Haken song.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2014, 09:04:59 AM »
Listened to the demo a couple of times. Not a big fan of the first 2 songs but Crystallised might just be my favorite Haken song.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2014, 10:31:23 AM »
Listened to the demo a couple of times. Not a big fan of the first 2 songs but Crystallised might just be my favorite Haken song.
Demo? Do you mean the EP?

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2014, 07:06:46 AM »
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So I have been listening on Restoration since it's release but haven't really voiced any reaction on it, on the other hand I have no desire writing any lengthy at this moment so I will keep it short.

All 3 songs have elements that I love about Haken. Darkest Light have the crunchy technical prog metal stuff. Earthlings is atmospheric, melancholic and moody. Crystallised is the grand epic that's like a honeypot with everything I like about Haken and prog metal in general. I love when they go back to the Verse/Chorus at 15:54 so epic and towards the end from 17:05 you have that nice feeling that you've been on a great adventure.

In short: I love it!  :metal
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2014, 07:57:44 AM »
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2014, 11:53:37 PM »
Crystallised is still one of the best songs I have heard. I hope they make something that can top it on their next album.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2015, 02:14:42 PM »
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2015, 02:21:50 PM »
And the circus continues.. :caffeine:
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2015, 02:28:04 PM »
Awesome. If this gets a 2015 release it will definetely be one of my most anticipated of the year.
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« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2015, 10:22:07 PM »
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2015, 06:28:10 PM »
I can't remember if I've asked this before or not, but I would like if someone with a working knowledge of music theory could breakdown what the heck is happening in the intrumental break of Deathless. 

The base of the song is in standard 4/4, I understand that.    But then the first part of the instrumental passage starts in 16th notes playing in a pattern of 1,2,3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 4.   At least, that's the way I hear it.   I mean....it doesn't sound like a standard beat....  is that then 12/16?  Or are they switching between 5/16 and 7/16?    Also, what is that back rhythm that the bass and keyboards start playing when the guitar comes back in with the main 4/4 riff?   It's just freaking SICK when they do it, but I get lost.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2015, 09:06:35 PM »
Sounds like the whole thing is going from 5 to 7 for me.

As for the second part you mentioned, I hear it as the drums and guitar in 3/4 (what was previously the eighth note is now the quarter note) and the bass and keyboards are in 5/8. So it sounds all over the place but lines up every two bars. At around 6:37 everybody is in 3/4. You're right it is a strange part!

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2015, 09:09:41 PM »
Sounds like the whole thing is going from 5 to 7 for me.

As for the second part you mentioned, I hear it as the drums and guitar in 3/4 (what was previously the eighth note is now the quarter note) and the bass and keyboards are in 5/8. So it sounds all over the place but lines up every two bars. At around 6:37 everybody is in 3/4. You're right it is a strange part!


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