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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #175 on: March 25, 2015, 03:10:58 AM »
From their Facebook:

"So far we've got LOADS of music floating around for album #4! Gotta start filtering out all the rubbish now..."

What rubbish? :lol

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #176 on: March 25, 2015, 08:36:08 AM »
just release a bonus disc of demos for the stuff that doesn't make the cut with the album, nobody would complain  :tup

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #177 on: March 25, 2015, 08:45:27 AM »
Based on what I know about how they write, I don't think you'd have full demos left over. More likely is that there will ideas/sections that they played around with but didn't fit with anything else.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #178 on: March 25, 2015, 09:55:34 AM »
I read an interview where Henshall said that there was leftover material from the Aquarius and Visions sessions. He didn't say how finished it was though.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #179 on: March 26, 2015, 10:11:21 PM »
I was hoping to get this album in 2015, but at the same time if they need the time to work it up, I'm more than happy to wait until 2016  :metal

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #180 on: March 27, 2015, 01:15:51 AM »
They were originally thinking late 2015 at the earliest, which I guess is still on the cards but early 2016 seems more likely.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #181 on: March 28, 2015, 01:04:37 AM »
Because the chance of me getting to see Haken in my lifetime is close to nil, I just created this imaginary setlist which I am now playing.

AN EVENING WITH HAKEN

Set 1

The Path
Atlas Stone
Drowning in the Flood
The Mind's Eye
Portals
Shapeshifter
Aquarium
Crystallised

Set 2

Falling Back to Earth
Streams
Darkest Light
In Memoriam
Visions

Encore

Celestial Elixir

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2015, 09:00:54 PM »
Because the chance of me getting to see Haken in my lifetime is close to nil, I just created this imaginary setlist which I am now playing.

AN EVENING WITH HAKEN

Set 1

The Path
Atlas Stone
Drowning in the Flood
The Mind's Eye
Portals
Shapeshifter
Aquarium
Crystallised

Set 2

Falling Back to Earth
Streams
Darkest Light
In Memoriam
Visions

Encore

Celestial Elixir

You've got my vote. Perfect setlist IMO. Has all of my favourite tunes.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2015, 02:07:46 AM »
Missing Deathless, and contains their least good song (Mind's Eye), so that's a no from me. :P

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #184 on: March 31, 2015, 10:07:17 AM »
Really? What's the problem with The Mind's Eye? I never view it individually but always as part of the three-song suite, and I never had any problems with that song from that angle. :)

But yeah, I think substituting Deathless for that three song suite is ok. The songs have to be rearranged though, because Deathless back to back with Aquarium may be too dragging.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #185 on: March 31, 2015, 12:14:30 PM »
Crystallised has to be one of the best prog epics ive heard in ages....absolutely superb.Haken have this hypnotic way of keeping you hooked with their clever writing skills and virtuoso performances on each instrument.Next to DT they are my favourite prog band by far with Rush and Transatlantic 3rd and 4th.Cant wait for album 4 as this band just seem to get better and better.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #186 on: March 31, 2015, 12:49:01 PM »
Really? What's the problem with The Mind's Eye?
No problem with it, just don't find it all that interesting.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #187 on: April 01, 2015, 07:18:14 AM »
Crystallised has to be one of the best prog epics ive heard in ages....absolutely superb.Haken have this hypnotic way of keeping you hooked with their clever writing skills and virtuoso performances on each instrument.Next to DT they are my favourite prog band by far with Rush and Transatlantic 3rd and 4th.Cant wait for album 4 as this band just seem to get better and better.

One of my problems with Crystallised is that there are parts of the instrumental section where they hit on a single musical idea for several bars. They cpuld have cut out some of the parts when it stopped saying something new.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #188 on: April 07, 2015, 05:01:05 PM »
Aquarius is no longer on Spotify...  :(

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #189 on: April 07, 2015, 08:34:53 PM »
So, what you're saying is, people can no longer access their streams?

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #190 on: April 07, 2015, 09:11:49 PM »
No more Haken at the local circus then :(

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #191 on: April 07, 2015, 10:53:31 PM »
So, what you're saying is, people can no longer access their streams?

As a man over 45, I have a completely different automatic definition for "streams", so this took me a second. 
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #192 on: April 07, 2015, 11:04:02 PM »
Well looks like we are at the point of no return, either you buy it or you torrent it.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #193 on: April 08, 2015, 09:17:04 AM »
How strange. I guess Visions could be next to go as that's on the same label.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #194 on: April 08, 2015, 09:18:40 AM »
No more Haken at the local circus then :(
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #195 on: April 08, 2015, 11:12:04 AM »
Aquarius is no longer on Spotify...  :(

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #196 on: April 09, 2015, 10:34:26 AM »
From Haken's facebook page:

We've got not one but two HUGE announcements coming your way pretty soon.....
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #197 on: April 09, 2015, 10:58:41 AM »
First two albums remastered by Jens Bogren (the reason why they're being pulled from Spotify)?

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #198 on: April 09, 2015, 04:16:12 PM »
First two albums remastered by Jens Bogren (the reason why they're being pulled from Spotify)?
As of right now, Visions is still there...

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #199 on: April 09, 2015, 04:22:47 PM »
Crystallised has to be one of the best prog epics ive heard in ages....absolutely superb.Haken have this hypnotic way of keeping you hooked with their clever writing skills and virtuoso performances on each instrument.Next to DT they are my favourite prog band by far with Rush and Transatlantic 3rd and 4th.Cant wait for album 4 as this band just seem to get better and better.

One of my problems with Crystallised is that there are parts of the instrumental section where they hit on a single musical idea for several bars. They cpuld have cut out some of the parts when it stopped saying something new.

Apply that logic to Illumination Theory (which you seem to love so much) and you're cutting out 95% of the song.  IT is nothing but a fragmented mess of nothing new.  So what's the point?  Just cut it all out...
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #200 on: April 09, 2015, 04:33:55 PM »
It's weird because, while I recognize that most 20+ min epics are going to have "movements" that often resemble parts of songs squished together, there are a few exceptions where the entire song truly feels like one, single, cohesive piece of music.   Crystallized is too me, one of those rare epics. 
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #201 on: April 09, 2015, 04:44:24 PM »
I'd be totally fine with cutting most of Illumination Theory, can we do that

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« Reply #202 on: April 09, 2015, 07:44:27 PM »
Crystallised has to be one of the best prog epics ive heard in ages....absolutely superb.Haken have this hypnotic way of keeping you hooked with their clever writing skills and virtuoso performances on each instrument.Next to DT they are my favourite prog band by far with Rush and Transatlantic 3rd and 4th.Cant wait for album 4 as this band just seem to get better and better.

One of my problems with Crystallised is that there are parts of the instrumental section where they hit on a single musical idea for several bars. They cpuld have cut out some of the parts when it stopped saying something new.

Apply that logic to Illumination Theory (which you seem to love so much) and you're cutting out 95% of the song.  IT is nothing but a fragmented mess of nothing new.  So what's the point?  Just cut it all out...

I think you misunderstand me. I am not criticizing Crystallized's coherence. I am criticizing its tendency to hit on a single musical movement for several bars without any new movement. So there were sections where I was going OK you've made your point, when are we moving on?

I don't know why you had to drag IT into this. Yes, I am a big fan of IT, and one of the reasons is precisely because it does not linger too much on a singular musical idea. I have stopped convincing people that hate it to like it, because if a listener is predisposed to see a mess, he will see a mess regardless of how hard I try to show the structure of the song.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #203 on: April 09, 2015, 08:25:05 PM »
I think you misunderstand me. I am not criticizing Crystallized's coherence. I am criticizing its tendency to hit on a single musical movement for several bars without any new movement. So there were sections where I was going OK you've made your point, when are we moving on?

I don't know why you had to drag IT into this. Yes, I am a big fan of IT, and one of the reasons is precisely because it does not linger too much on a singular musical idea. I have stopped convincing people that hate it to like it, because if a listener is predisposed to see a mess, he will see a mess regardless of how hard I try to show the structure of the song.

Phrases repeat. It's sort of a thing in all music ever. Are you that uninterested in what they're doing with the music at any given point in the song you just want them to change the idea? In music, phrases and melodies are repeated to familiarize the listener with them, to get the themes stuck in somebody's head. Music has done this since the earliest music ever created.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #204 on: April 09, 2015, 08:36:26 PM »
Most likely it's a combination of repetition and the repeated idea just not too interesting for me. One particular section is around the 13:00 to 15:30. There is a basic idea and they play around it for two and a half minutes. The variations are there, but the basic idea is not that interesting in the first place.

Funnily enough, they do a lot of repetition in Visions, a song I really love. I find that the variations are enough to make the repetition interesting. With Crystallised, the repetitions were overbearing the variations. It's the same reason why I did not warm up with Pareidolia also.

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #205 on: April 09, 2015, 11:13:50 PM »
I have to kind of agree. The 'passages of time' section is a bit draggy for me, but it's ok the way it is. Everything else is awesome.
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« Reply #206 on: April 10, 2015, 06:12:40 AM »
I have to kind of agree. The 'passages of time' section is a bit draggy for me, but it's ok the way it is. Everything else is awesome.

Oh man.  Seriously?   I'm one of those that wish that part would never end!  I'm not trying to be contrary...that's just seriously my favorite part of the whole song!
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« Reply #207 on: April 10, 2015, 06:17:53 AM »
I have to kind of agree. The 'passages of time' section is a bit draggy for me, but it's ok the way it is. Everything else is awesome.

Oh man.  Seriously?   I'm one of those that wish that part would never end!  I'm not trying to be contrary...that's just seriously my favorite part of the whole song!

The Great Debate.  :lol

The part that dragged for me was the stop and go instrumental part after Snow. It was cute at first, then they stretched it.
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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #208 on: April 10, 2015, 06:38:19 AM »
I have to kind of agree. The 'passages of time' section is a bit draggy for me, but it's ok the way it is. Everything else is awesome.

Oh man.  Seriously?   I'm one of those that wish that part would never end!  I'm not trying to be contrary...that's just seriously my favorite part of the whole song!
Yeah I love that part as well.

Have to say, for all the people who would complain about bands like Haken being disjointed and jumping from idea to idea, it's nice that there are others who would make the opposite complaint. :lol

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Re: Haken v. Restoration, like Baconoration
« Reply #209 on: April 10, 2015, 06:55:26 AM »
Crystallised is the only Haken song that feels disjointed to me. It seems like two unrelated songs cut together.