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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2014, 06:16:25 AM »
My only complaint is the lack of volume coming from J P guitar. Feel that in a good few of the songs the sound from it us too quiet. Apart from that I love it. 9.

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2014, 09:50:38 AM »
Feel like we should have a Poll for best DT live DVD but i don't wanna start yet another Breaking The Fourth Wall thread :P


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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2014, 10:53:41 AM »
Cons:
 - James' performance just "OK"

What the hell?

Seriously this, James is amazing.  I know his performance was doctored but I don't care, I like to enjoy the performance without too much distraction from sour notes and the "thin" sound James has had on other live DVD's.   


100% this. Off-key/sour notes totally ruin my listening experience. I wish this weren't true, but I can't help it.  :-\ I am SO glad that DT does not put out raw vocals on DVDs anymore. James cannot hit notes like he used to be able to, so if they did not use some autotune here and there, I would cringe at the inevitable flat/sharp notes.

This is no knock on James at all, as it is impossible to hit every note...especially when expected to cover such a range. But rather just a praise on whoever decided to doctor up his performances for DVDs.

I think this began when Score came out? I could be dead wrong...did Budoken use any auto tune or overdub stuff?

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2014, 12:50:07 PM »
I only have the iTunes download.  Great live album.  JLB is fantastic as well as the rest of the band.  But, I have issues with the setlist.  Add Behind The Veil and take away EM, AFTR & IT and replace those with Hell's Kitchen, Voices and LTL.  I would've given it a 9.5.  Instead, it only gets a 6.0.
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2014, 02:08:30 PM »
Hmmm, how come you didn't want IT, the grand pièce de résistance of the new album, and probably the one song that most people wanted them to play on this tour, be in the set?  And wow.  Does them playing those particular new songs really lower your score that much?

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2014, 02:08:59 PM »
One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2014, 02:14:46 PM »
One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...
The only thing I didn't like about it was that at times, JP is SO loud that I can't clearly hear everyone else.  But the film work is great, as are the performances and the setlist.
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2014, 02:26:08 PM »
Yeah, same here.  I mean, I guess I can understand not liking it if you are either insane or deaf though.
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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
I guess those would be mitigating factors?
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2014, 03:17:19 PM »
The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?
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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2014, 03:34:40 PM »
The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?

As in "they were sonically bad" or "James wasn't singing well"?
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2014, 03:51:18 PM »
I don't see how either of those options apply to that release.
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2014, 04:04:57 PM »
One of the best DT live releases, leaps and bounds better than the mediocre LALP.

I don't understand how anyone could consider LALP "mediocre."  But anyway...
The only thing I didn't like about it was that at times, JP is SO loud that I can't clearly hear everyone else.  But the film work is great, as are the performances and the setlist.

I agree with this.  The inaudible keyboards at times is frustrating (especially during the main theme at the beginning of Breaking All Illusions), but, all in all, Luna Park is pretty great.  :tup :tup

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2014, 04:05:57 PM »
No offense, bosk, but *that* I would call borderline deaf. They processed James' vocals to death, and during the acoustic session it becomes really, really bad.
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2014, 04:44:58 PM »
The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried. For me, these are the two most important elements of the DT sound, so I'll disqualify LALP based just on this and looking at their live output, I have no problem labeling it as mediocre. On top of it there's the issue with the vocals, JP's not-so-good tone (which is a flaw of BTFW as well) and I'm not a huge fan of the looks either, a bit too colorful and saturated with the J.J. Abrams style lens flare excess. The setlist was so-so, I don't think we needed another version of WIMH/TTTSTA (with the eyebrow raising backing vocals) or TSCO. Add to the mix that I had huge expectations, I really wanted this to top Budokan or Score and it just didn't deliver. I thought I'd get superior sounding versions of the ADTOE songs, but I was wrong on that count as well. On the flip side, James' performance was excellent and the drum solo was a big juicy surprise, I probably watched it more than a dozen times (also, the drums sounded amazing by themselves). Fortunately, Breaking the Fourth Wall set everything right. 
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2014, 05:53:16 PM »
The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried.

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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2014, 07:02:27 PM »
I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP. :lol

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2014, 03:41:27 AM »
The drums sound weak and thin (some of the tom fills can hardly be made out, the kick and the snare are tiny) and the keys are super buried.

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I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP. :lol
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2014, 06:37:32 AM »
The bad quality of the vocals doesn't bother you?
They weren't good on the acoustic sections, way too breathy.  But that is such a small part of the show.  I don't have much of a problem anywhere else.
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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2014, 09:41:57 AM »
I jumped into the latest comments in this thread, and I was going "what the hell?" and then realized that you guys are talking about LALP. :lol
Yeah, now it makes sense  :lol
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2014, 01:24:09 PM »
Sorry, but could anyone explain what the title means? Breaking the fourth wall?

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2014, 01:33:45 PM »
"I liked when Myung looked like a women's figure skating champion."

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« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2014, 01:41:30 PM »
Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?

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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2014, 01:43:49 PM »
If you are not interested in the theatrical term, you are missing the point.  There is no "message behind the term."  It refers to the common usage of the term.
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« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2014, 02:18:18 PM »
The only "message" here is "We played the concert in an opera house, and we tried to connect with the audience. We broke the Fourth Wall."
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« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2014, 03:45:31 PM »
Ok. I thought it could be related to IT lyrics...

When your backs’ against the wall
And the time's uncertain
Consider this question

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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2014, 05:41:58 PM »
The only "message" here is "We played the concert in an opera house, and we tried to connect with the audience. We broke the Fourth Wall."

Theatre term, opera house, Dream THEATER, interaction with the audience. (Although I'd argue the idea of all music performances is to break the 'fourth wall' but that's probably besides the point).

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« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2014, 12:01:15 PM »
This thread should have been titled "Rating the Fourth Wall". Missed opportunity! :P

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« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2014, 12:58:07 PM »
Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?
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« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2014, 01:08:21 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2014, 03:02:02 PM »
Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?
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« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2014, 04:24:56 AM »
Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?
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This is rude and bashing. A moderator breaking the forum rules? I was warned here a long time ago for a similar attitude. If you dont have anything useful to say, choose silence. You intimidate discussion and the free flow of ideas with that kind of post. You think you are very smart, dont ya? Shame on you, moderator!
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If you took offense, sorry, but please don't question my motives or accuse me of breaking forum rules.
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Re: Rate Breaking the Fourth Wall
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2014, 04:45:48 PM »
Thanks, but I´m not really interested in the theatrical term, but what the band meant. What is the message behind the term (if there´s any)?
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This is rude and bashing. A moderator breaking the forum rules? I was warned here a long time ago for a similar attitude. If you dont have anything useful to say, choose silence. You intimidate discussion and the free flow of ideas with that kind of post. You think you are very smart, dont ya? Shame on you, moderator!
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« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2014, 05:21:45 PM »
LOL.  LALP doesn't mean anything except LALP.  BTFW is a metaphor.  Clearly not the same thing.
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