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Offline tartarus250

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Scottish independence yes or no?
« on: September 18, 2014, 06:34:42 AM »
What are everyone's views on today's big vote? Should scotland vote to become an independent nation?
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 06:42:13 AM »
I for one think this thread needs to be in the political and religious subforum...
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 06:46:16 AM »
In Scotland, just voted No.

Of course the results may be in before you get many people's thoughts on this.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2014, 06:56:57 AM »
I have no strong opinion either way.
I definitely know that Cameron is probably shitting his pants right now. A UK without Scotland is substantially weakened, and many of the idiosyncrasies will be harder to maintain.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 07:50:37 AM »
I'm American, so it doesn't matter what I think, but I hope Scotland stays in the UK.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 07:57:33 AM »
Voted no this morning.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2014, 07:58:08 AM »
I'm American, so it doesn't matter what I think, but I hope Scotland stays in the UK.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 08:06:48 AM »
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2014, 08:30:54 AM »
Stupid question: Is a United Kingdom without Scotland still a United Kingdom? That is, would the UK retain its name?
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2014, 08:35:24 AM »
If I'm remembering correctly, the UK consists of four kingdoms, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

So they'd still be a United Kingdom.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:38 AM »
Supposedly they might have to change the flag though which would be terrible without the blue.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2014, 08:45:01 AM »
If I'm right about this, Scots would still be British, but no longer a part of the UK.

I think a Yes vote would be interesting, but I have no good opinion one way or the other.

I heard on the radio that the vote was open to 16 and 17 year olds, and the idea that this would swing the vote in the Yes direction didn't really pan out, since that age group was as split as the population at large, possibly even closer to favoring NO.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2014, 08:54:50 AM »
Had no idea this was in motion.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2014, 09:14:19 AM »
Stupid question: Is a United Kingdom without Scotland still a United Kingdom? That is, would the UK retain its name?
Already answered, but United Kingdom includes Wales and Northern Ireland - I imagine they will continue to use the same name regardless.

As for the flag, obviously the Scotland part of the flag is pretty key and if Scotland goes it might not seem to make much sense to continue to use it. There is no official requirement to change it though, I imagine lots of people will just want to keep it since it is so recognisable even if it doesn't make sense the way it was originally intended (it would hardly be the first flag or symbol still used after the original message behind it is no longer  valid).

Some suggestions flying around, lots involving changing it to include Wales (which doesn't get a mention in the flag since it was already conquered by England at the time of the union), which means a lot of crazily different designs with bright green and yellow and even dragons on the flag. Simplest and best suggestion I saw if it was going to change was just changing the blue background to black, with the rationale being that the black is from (I think) St David's cross, a Welsh flag with black background.

But there is currently no real candidate for an alternative flag or plan to change. To be honest, discussion of plans for the future are very limited and uncertain before the referendum, because talk of having to make any changes people might not like (currency, UK flag) or the idea that the separation might not go off without a hitch are accused of being ridiculous or "scaremongering" to keep people from voting Yes.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2014, 09:22:01 AM »
We already have a thread on Scottish Independence in the PR forum.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2014, 10:05:23 AM »
I'm pretty sure this was here before you moved yours over.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2014, 11:30:21 AM »
No. It wasn't.   :biggrin:
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2014, 01:30:12 PM »
If there is a way to "stick it to the man" with this, then that's what I'm in favor of. 

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2014, 07:55:57 PM »
Not that I'm a big fan of British nationalism (or any nationalism for that matter), but I can only imagine the disastrous consequences of Scotland leaving the U.K. From what I've read, Scotland's economy is so integrated into the British economy that it's extremely hard to disentangle it and just trying to do so might result in a recession or even depression. And who knows what the wider effect on the Eurozone and the rest of the world will be. Sure, some might call this fear-mongering but there are economic and political realities that the pro-independence side is blind to. If it was 300 or so years ago I probably would've supported independence but certainly not now.

Anyways, NY Times is blogging the action live right here: http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/scotland-independence-referendum-voting-and-results/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

So far it looks like the No side is winning but we'll have to wait and see.

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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2014, 08:44:28 PM »
Yeah....I've been glued to the BBCs special coverage for the last 4 hours.  God help me. Anyhoo...the NO's are winning by 10% with 5 of 32 districts declared.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2014, 11:57:22 PM »
Happy to see that Scotland decided not to split.

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2014, 01:02:14 AM »
Happy to see that Scotland decided not to split.
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2014, 01:23:40 AM »
I think it's better that way, but it was close. Will this now be a recurring thing, like voting every five years till they are separated?

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2014, 04:31:29 AM »
That was a thought I had but Cameron said that this is now set for a generation. I think there is some sort of legislation around referendums. Otherwise you'd just keep going till you got the outcome you want.

I am beginning to wonder though - as an Englishman, do I want Westminster rule? Why can't we have our own parliament?
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Re: Scottish independence yes or no?
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2014, 01:20:27 PM »
I am always in favor of independence from government.